Yetteh Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 Hey Guys, I absolutely love this game and picked it up when it was on Steam, but there is nasty rumours going around the Steam Community about "Premium" ships and "Pay 2 Win" mechanics. Can anyone debunk these myths or confirm them? Many Thanks Yetteh 1
Limey McLimerton Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 there is nasty rumours going around the Steam Community That's the Steam "community" for you. Ignorant, misinformed mouthbreathers. There will be zero pay2win here. The devs have been abundantly clear about this for ages. They hate pay2win elements in games as much as we do. 6
SteelSandwich Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 Premium ships are ships that will never exceed a third rate. Furthermore it was stated that a premium ship will not be as good as an equal size ship of excellent quality. Furthermore, micro payments are planned in the way of paint schemes and decorations. None of this is to be considered p2w. 4
admin Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 We set the expectations clear when we first announced the game. 1) We are against Pay 2 Win in any form. 2) We believe that Guild Wars 2 buy to play model is best to keep multiplayer world running. After discussions with fans it was decided that premium ships (beautiful age of sail vessels) and customization (skins, colors, flags, nose figureheads, stern decorations) are best and only options for the game. Community have decided on the following rules for premium ships Well crafted ship of the similar class must be better in terms of upgrade slots and officer quarters. 3rd, second, and first ships of the line must be only player crafted (no premium ships). Consider them DLCs or developer gifts for generous donations. Some people give yacht as an example of premium ship - yacht was given to everyone who bought the game before launch on steam. We are a small team and know that for us the only way to expand the line up of ships significantly and faster is to do it with help from the community . If we needed them only for the money we would be selling them already. Two other methods to get the same results from the premium ships are these Donation button Kickstarter packages (which will make ships available for everyone). For example US Superfrigate ship pack Kickstarter (to replicate all important us vessels above 36 gun + remake the constitution hull). 14
Yetteh Posted January 23, 2016 Author Posted January 23, 2016 Premium ships are ships that will never exceed a third rate. Furthermore it was stated that a premium ship will not be as good as an equal size ship of excellent quality. Furthermore, micro payments are planned in the way of paint schemes and decorations. None of this is to be considered p2w. Thanks :-) Its a real shame the rumours are spreading, in the comments you see people saying "Oh thank god I read this, I almost bought it.". We must be losing so many player base due to that rumour at the top.
Ratline Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 You guys should copy this admin post and pin it at the top of teh Steam forum with a title in caps and lots of exclamation marks 8
Kokerpiraat Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 Thanks for the clarification admin, there has been a lot of misrepresentation regarding premium ships.
Yetteh Posted January 23, 2016 Author Posted January 23, 2016 Not to witch hunt, but look at this guys other reviews: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197964096634/recommended/ He has a very strong opposition to Early Access games. Also @admin please don't lock the thread on Steam! It will have the streisand effect and people will think you are guilty, even though your not. Let them discuss, many people are debunking it anyway.
HawkyCZ Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 Not to witch hunt, but look at this guys other reviews: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197964096634/recommended/ Also @admin please don't lock the thread on Steam! It will have the streisand effect and people will think you are guilty, even though your not. Let them discuss, many people are debunking it anyway. Completely agree. Also looked into that guy, replied to his review, soon after notification showed up, wanted to go to the review look up new comment but it redirected me to his profile. Blocked me or erased the review? Do you get into comment section of his NA review? Another negative reviewer just erased my comment (I was probably spot on)... some negative campaing is going on here around this game. Sure, we knew there will be strong wall of negative reviews because the game doesn't sit well with everyone but some of these reviews are alarming potential buyers with full-on lies.
Van Valkenburg Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 Premium ships are ships that will never exceed a third rate. Furthermore it was stated that a premium ship will not be as good as an equal size ship of excellent quality. Furthermore, micro payments are planned in the way of paint schemes and decorations. None of this is to be considered p2w. Do you know how awesome this is going to be? I can't speak for all, but I'm sure many of us are here for the beauty of these ships. Just as captains of the day had leeway in how their ships looked, so shall we. I foresee the establishment of uniform paint schemes, flags, and pennants used by squadrons to establish both esprit de corps and clarity during the din of battle. The next question is this: player-created content (similar to Pirates of the Burning Sea)... will clans be able to create some sort of pennant they can fly as a "clan tag" on their ships?! I'm all for that as long as the national ensign remains highly visible and the user-created content goes through a reasonable approval process.
admin Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 Not to witch hunt, but look at this guys other reviews: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197964096634/recommended/ He has a very strong opposition to Early Access games. Also @admin please don't lock the thread on Steam! It will have the streisand effect and people will think you are guilty, even though your not. Let them discuss, many people are debunking it anyway. we keep it open we feel positive and strong about our position as it is honest and clear and was announced in 2013. We have nothing to hide 4
Yetteh Posted January 23, 2016 Author Posted January 23, 2016 we keep it open we feel positive and strong about our position as it is honest and clear and was announced in 2013. We have nothing to hide Thanks, its certainly the best way to deal with rumours is just to be open and not block any information or remove troll threads.
Cmdr Thrudd Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 It's alarming that those rumours seem to have really got about. Had many people join the game today and ask if the game is pay to win. It's really unfortunate, I hope it's not put too many folks off already. Might be worth putting something in the description of the game on the steam page 1
Prater Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 The Yacht is a prime example. It is a premium ship but it isn't better than the cutter. It is cool and is constructed different. 1
Balsafer Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 We live in age of internet morons everything that is said is believed for example people say Will Smith and Jada Pinkett smith are gay.... and then you read all the comments bashing will and jada ect ect believeing they are gay.... smh
Mansen Posted January 24, 2016 Posted January 24, 2016 Will premium ships function like the Yacht? Redeemable every X days to allow you to re-gain them if lost? Or will they be a one-off thing you buy multiple times as needed/wanted at a lower price than a permanent one?
SteelSandwich Posted January 24, 2016 Posted January 24, 2016 Like yacht, possibly the bigfer the ship the longer the redeen timer.
VariousArtist Posted January 24, 2016 Posted January 24, 2016 I set the review to private because Admin locked my editing function so I couldnt add more info and links to it. With people going shitape and not being able to link e.g. this thread among some other info (which was posted after my original review) there wasnt much helpfulness left. This is a direct quote from my communication with admin here: Just so we are sure we talk about the same, not-yet reedited, review from me: "While the game is already fun and dandy I decided to request a refund because the developers intent to install a Cash Shop for "Premium Ships" which will be better than default (and even crafted) player ships (Only "exceptionally crafted ships" will be better, as the devs said). This is selling power for money, or "Pay 2 Win"! I dont want to support that." Where did I stated any misleading information? "intent to install a Cash Shop for "Premium Ships" is pretty clear a future tense and statement about a feature to come, but not yet there. The statement that "Only exceptionally crafted ships will be better" than premium ships is quoted from "Admin" in this thread: http://steamcommunit...606877310287999 This post from yesterday (http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/8724-can-anyone-debunk-the-rumours-surrounding-this-game/?p=162938) was posted later than my review. So by all means, there is neither misleading nor wrong information in that first version of my review. And also Im not responsible that people go shitape because they cant read properly. No offense, but in my opionion all of that wouldnt have happened when the information about Premium ships would have been on the store page - and not hidden somewhere deep in another forum - with scattered, unclear and barebone info. Well, granted - maybe somebody else would have noticed that the lack of info was.. a bit strange. Selling power for money is still a pay to win model - no matter how you try to twist it. (Others have to grind for their ships, others can just buy them with their wallet. Pay to win. You can have your own opinion, ofc) However the premium ships arent there yet, so discussing this is probably pretty hypothetical. 1
Prater Posted January 24, 2016 Posted January 24, 2016 Yacht is a premium ship. Anyone care to fight 1v1 against my basic cutter and tell me yacht is pay to win? The yacht used to be OP, but isn't anymore. 2
SteelSandwich Posted January 24, 2016 Posted January 24, 2016 There is a massive differnce between pay2win, pay2participate and pay2progress. If you look at the model they are seeking its nowhere near p2w. It allows people to get certain ship with cash, but they will never have a competative edge over equal sized ship or higher ones. So we are talking about p2participate here. The constomization part of it not even taken into the equation. Besides, you can buy high ranked ships as much as you want, if you dont have the rank for it, you can sail them anyways, so the xp grind remains untouched.So, armed with that knowledge, can you see what a 'blunt' statement like yours causes? If you dont know how something works, ask! Thats what this forum is about. In regard to the knowledge being hidden deep, guys are even carrying those exact statements made by admin in regards to premium stuff in their signature for over a year now. The information is there, if you cant find it, or all of it, ask. Which leads me to you statement again. If you claim with certainty to have understanding of the financing models of a game, whilst that isnt the case, you are spreading misinformation. Maybe not intentional, but you still did. 1
Dalriaden Posted January 24, 2016 Posted January 24, 2016 The dev's have even chimed in, in more then one of the steam p2w claim threads and stated how its going to work.
Ratline Posted January 24, 2016 Posted January 24, 2016 Selling power for money is still a pay to win model - no matter how you try to twist it. (Others have to grind for their ships, others can just buy them with their wallet. Pay to win. You can have your own opinion, ofc)However the premium ships arent there yet, so discussing this is probably pretty hypothetical. Ofc you are welcome to your opinion. In this case it happens to be wrong, but you stick with it. 1
Yankee jack Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 FYI and PS: For all you doubters. The yacht has less armor than my basic cutter. But. It looks cool.
la Touche-Treville Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 Concerning people being worried about Steam reviews: http://store.steampowered.com/app/311310/ User reviews: Very Positive (589 reviews) No specialist of steam but that looks pretty damn good by my standards!
VariousArtist Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) Theres not much players yet. Lets wait what happens when they add premium ships to buy while others, who dont buy them have to grind for them! Theres a reason that this feature isnt stated on their Store page. And theres a reason the mods deleted a thread on the steam forum where I asked what those premium ships are. And I bet there are reason for that general (public) intransparency. And if you believe that there will be much income from "vanity items" Im sure you also still believe in Santa Clause! Well, the premium ships will not be vanity anyway - they are ingame power bought with the customers wallet. (hint: The Yacht is not a premium ship - you cant buy it! It was a bonus for early adopters! Spot the difference!) Edited January 25, 2016 by VariousArtist
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