Restrictive Amount/Mount 2 errors

[neph]

A recent update let you ctrl-place barbettes and superstructure elements arbitrarily. That's amazing. There's still some limitations on hulls (mount/mount 2 errors) which predate this update that seem arbitrarily restrictive. I'm going to use this thread to document them as I encounter them. I have no claims to thoroughness!

While I understand that amount limitations are probably balance decisions, I'm going to document them anyways just in case.

Starting us off: the French Dreadnought II. Would very much like to do a Wyoming-esque AB-PQ-XY arrangment. Cannot!

[HistoricalAccuracyMan]

There's lots of gun arrangements and such that can't be recreated or used due to the limitations of the ship designer. The Wyoming style gun layout is one of the ones that is particularly hard to do. The majority of us have been nagging the devs about this for a while now...they've done good so far though, but some of the gun layouts are down to the superstructure options. Take the Atlanta class of light cruisers with their triple super-firing turrets...it can't be done in game because of the limitations of the ship designer.

[neph]

Battlecruiser 1: barbette placement is very restricted on the stern, less so but still somewhat on the bow.

[neph]

More issues with Battlecruiser hulls; very restrictive, hard to get a good design on the back of this elevated deck.

Edited September 20, 2021 by neph

[neph]

Long Dreadnought. Oddly, the secondary tower placement is much more free than the primary! Barbettes are very annoying, however.

[neph]

Modernized Dreadnought:

Note that I could place it "behind" that larger stern barbette (which is actually turned backwards right now). Why is that barbette turned around?

Because... when I try to place it normally...

I can't fit a gun between it and the secondary barbette.

Why not just make there be more space?

Because of another stupid mount 2 barbette error! Why not just redesign the whole thing & put it all in the bow & use one of those nifty compact secondary superstructures?

Because of a mount 2 error for the primary superstructure. This hull has layers.

 

Edited September 21, 2021 by neph

[neph]

Mount 2 prevents a Nelson on the russian modern BB.

[neph]

More issues with Russian modern BB preventing a nice balanced superduperfiring setup

 

[coalminer]

Just wanna drop by and say cheers for keeping up with the bug hunting over the past few months despite the (by now rather standard) silence from the devs. I hope they've atleast seen this.

[neph]

15 hours ago, coalminer said:

Just wanna drop by and say cheers for keeping up with the bug hunting over the past few months despite the (by now rather standard) silence from the devs. I hope they've atleast seen this.

Thanks! No worries at all re: the devs--I've been there done that & it's hard work. I just hope to give them a resource that'll hopefully make their work much easier & faster when they get around to this one.

[neph]

Battlecruiser V, British.

Wildly useless forward barbette placements.

[neph]

Austro-Hungarian Modern Battleship

[neph]

More

[neph]

Japanese Modern Battlecruiser

[neph]

Modernized Dreadnought II Japan. This one's really annoying

 

https://imgur.com/ZmDouY8

[Somhairle]

I'm not sure if this is the only issue, but 16" guns won't fit on a Medium Barbette, IIRC. They require the Standard or larger.

[neph]

only for medium I barbettes. french dreadnought III

 

[nightraven1901]

Wow, very concise folks. Full support: I want complete barbette placement freedom- no limits ever for any reason barring "it physically won't fit."

[neph]

Another annoying one on the new British Dread V