Harlock Posted February 14, 2015 Posted February 14, 2015 We the community of Naval Action in order to promote civility and good order amongst our fellow players resolve to adhere to the following in accordance with the rules established here http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/2346-forum-and-sea-trials-rules/: We resolve to respect all our fellow players. We will not engage in personal verbal attacks, trolling, flaming or griefing on any public chat in game or public forum. When leveling criticism in topics of discussion we will endeavor to not give offence in our tone or choice of words and respect our adversary's opinion. We wish to provide a respectful and safe place where dissent and discussion are encouraged, and bullying is prohibited. Hate speech of any kind will not be tolerated. Coarse language is acceptable only if not used in an offensive manner or personal attack. We are an international community and all languages and nationalities will be respected. Our in game behavior will reflect the values of decency, honor and respect. Intentional Team Killing, team ramming or griefing will not be tolerated. We understand that in the heat of battle accidents happen and the level of skill among the player base is not equal, therefore, we absolve to recognize this and respond appropriately to these situations. Any attempt to exploit the mechanics of the game, unless specifically directed by the developers in an announced testing session, will not be tolerated and instantly reported. Above all we agree to conduct ourselves in a manner befitting the values of honor, decency and respect for each other. We will strive to make this community stand apart from the trend in modern gaming communities of abusive behavior. Those that cannot agree to abide by these rules will be persona non grata and will not be welcome here. 1
Harlock Posted February 14, 2015 Author Posted February 14, 2015 Ok, this is what I could think of. Please help me to craft this. Please comment below and I will edit this to reflect agreed upon provisions.
Windy Posted February 14, 2015 Posted February 14, 2015 http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/2346-forum-and-sea-trials-rules/ For those that MISSED...
Flip Posted February 14, 2015 Posted February 14, 2015 when leveling criticism in topics of discussion we will endeavor to not give offence in our tone or choice of words and respect our adversary's opinion. We wish to provide a respectful and safe place where dissent and discussion are encouraged, and bullying is prohibited.Well that's an issue. Dissenters are already thrown out or discouraged from posting ideas here. I have even been told that since my ideas a few months ago tended to go against the majority that those ideas were somehow wrong or invalid to post. Most people here give offence in tones on a daily basis, and to complicate it even more and some people will mention this no doubt, tone is in the eye of the beholder. Hence many will disagree when told this about themselves but point out others as doing it. People already don't respect other opinions, go view a few topics on ideas that are argued a lot, derogatory tones are all too common. I like the high minded sentiment but posting a guide of conduct will not break people of their internet habits, or their real habits if that's how they behave. 2
Harlock Posted February 15, 2015 Author Posted February 15, 2015 Well that's an issue. Dissenters are already thrown out or discouraged from posting ideas here. I have even been told that since my ideas a few months ago tended to go against the majority that those ideas were somehow wrong or invalid to post. Most people here give offence in tones on a daily basis, and to complicate it even more and some people will mention this no doubt, tone is in the eye of the beholder. Hence many will disagree when told this about themselves but point out others as doing it. People already don't respect other opinions, go view a few topics on ideas that are argued a lot, derogatory tones are all too common. I like the high minded sentiment but posting a guide of conduct will not break people of their internet habits, or their real habits if that's how they behave. Flip, You have a valid point, the anonimity of the internet is the death of common courtesy, but who says it it has to be that way? Then again, practically everything I've said here is in the post Windy linked to. If we all capitulate to abusive behavior it will only conitune. We have to point it out, report it and then refuse to engage with the perpetrator. Regarding your thoughts on tone, you are right, it is subjective, however if I say something and you take offense to it, you should say so, and then out of respect, I should clarify my remarks. 3
Flip Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 Flip, You have a valid point, the anonimity of the internet is the death of common courtesy, but who says it it has to be that way? Then again, practically everything I've said here is in the post Windy linked to. If we all capitulate to abusive behavior it will only conitune. We have to point it out, report it and then refuse to engage with the perpetrator. Regarding your thoughts on tone, you are right, it is subjective, however if I say something and you take offense to it, you should say so, and then out of respect, I should clarify my remarks. It's not that is has to be that way, it's that it is that way, you are not the first person to write a code. I respect your effort but I think more is needed if you want a utopian environment where everyone is wonderful.
Harlock Posted February 15, 2015 Author Posted February 15, 2015 It's not that is has to be that way, it's that it is that way, you are not the first person to write a code. I respect your effort but I think more is needed if you want a utopian environment where everyone is wonderful. I agree that more is needed. We need people like you and me and everyone that is passionate about this game and community to stand up and take action. It has to start somewhere and I am choosing to take a stand. 1
ObiQuiet Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 "Course" language should be "coarse", though in a naval setting there are both kinds :-) Perhap add something about staying out of tribunal discussions unless called by the court, or submit a dispassionate "amicus" brief? Might be going too far...? 1
Harlock Posted February 15, 2015 Author Posted February 15, 2015 "Course" language should be "coarse", though in a naval setting there are both kinds :-) Perhap add something about staying out of tribunal discussions unless called by the court, or submit a dispassionate "amicus" brief? Might be going too far...? Yes thanks for catching my spelling! I agree about the tribunal. What do others think?
Krasimir Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 Comming from a veteran EVE player i can tell you this about open world mmo sandbox pvp games - it will be harsh environment, full of 18+ language and beleve me - every exploit, weakness and game mechanic etc.. in the game is going to be used in full extent aganst you! (Add to these spies and scammers) Seriously this is inevitable and this is part of the things that make that type of games as rich and addicting as they are. Everyone is lucky in that environment though - You can make Your society(clan) and impose your rules if theres a need to do so, or find one with like minded people like you to share the good and bad moments in the game - Its Your choice and thats the beauty of it
Saintduiex Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 I support the concept, thanks Ryder. However, I think Windy pointed out a logical starting place of the existing rules. What might be suggested to be added to that Admin post that might possibly improve the existing rules?
Galileus Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 Ill have a bit or two to add to it But this will have to wait till I get back from work.
MarcoRossolini Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 Wait, in the rules it says ramming is banned. How does that work? Do you refer to team ramming or ramming in general?
Saintduiex Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 This seems to be less of an issue these days with bow strength reduced to discourage this practice. To start with, typically you will see ramming a last ditch effort as it is usually fatal to the rammer and less so to the ram-ee. There are times when it makes sense, like when you are sinking and want to kamikaze for the grater good of your team, and sometimes it seems like a good idea and turns out... not so much. However, ramming just for the sake of disrupting game play is banned. Sail your ship as you will, disrupt the game by being an ass and you will find your name in the Tribunal. Hope that helps
Guest raat Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 I agree completely. And I do think this asserts already existing rules....HOWEVER, in light of recent events, I think leaving this it's own topic and at the top of the general discussion forum where people might read it is a good idea for now. Hopefully, to reinvigorate the rules, and galvanize the support of those who's constitutions have wavered in the recent uproar. Stand fast, embody these ideals, and don't let the cesspool of online gaming take over the gentlemanly disposition of the Naval Action community! 1
MarcoRossolini Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 However, ramming just for the sake of disrupting game play is banned. Sail your ship as you will, disrupt the game by being an ass and you will find your name in the Tribunal. Hope that helps Interesting... What would be a situation where ramming disrupted gameplay? Is that an intentional team ram or...?
One-Eyed Willy Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 It is said correctly that law exists not for the just but for the unjust, for the just carry the law in their hearts, and do not need to call it from afar. -- Jaster Mereel
Grim DeGrim Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 I am Afraid you lost me Saintdieux... Surely you mean ramming a teammate intentionally. Certainly not bannable action for internationally ramming enemy. (though I think game design is eventually going to eliminate the activity... Via additional dmg to sell, and potentially loss mechanics... These will drive behavior). I guess that bullet is unclear. Clarity is needed. Let's not derail this thread on ramming
Harlock Posted February 15, 2015 Author Posted February 15, 2015 Edited to clarify team ramming and to incorporate previous posted rules. 1
Magnum Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 I would suggest the final paragraph be a bit less final - something like: Those who show by their words or deeds that they don't or won't abide by these rules and ideals will see rapidly increasing pressure to adopt such an honorable mind set, up to and including a ban from the game. People should get 1 or 2 chances to correct their misbehavior before they are guillotined. 1
Guest raat Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 I would suggest the final paragraph be a bit less final - something like: Those who show by their words or deeds that they don't or won't abide by these rules and ideals will see rapidly increasing pressure to adopt such an honorable mind set, up to and including a ban from the game. People should get 1 or 2 chances to correct their misbehavior before they are guillotined. Not sure that's necessary, I mean sure we could change the wording, but I assume the current text already assumes the community (consisting of the most honorable gentleman ) would not unjustly ban someone without giving the accused an opportunity to correct their mistakes and change their attitude.
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