Game should just have Historically accurate nations

[ChineseBatman]

This game would be far better with Historically accurate Nations. At least as historically accurate as being in and around the Caribbean within 200 years of when it’s supposed to be set.

Especially with this game, it is obvious that less rather than more in this specific case is much better. The game does not need more nations. Especially ones that where never in the period.

Example get rid of Poland, China and Russia. Nations that should of never been introduced in the first place. At least if you where to keep China make them a sub faction of pirates with their own junks and types of Chinese orientated ships, not European ships lol.

Enable a much better spread of our player base into Historically accurate nations, allowing a much better rvr competition between the powers of the Caribbean. Less is more.

 

[admin]

You propose the game to have historical nations. we already do. 

We are not bound by an incorrect and non historical 3 nation view (only britain only spain only france) which was pushed into traditional history books and games by the victors (History is written by the victors). Eventually we will add all nations which had settlements in the North Americas. 

• Maracaibo was founded by german conquistadors and the area near maracaibo was controlled by german kings for quite a while. Brandenburg owned the whole island of St Thomas
• Chinese laborers had a settlement on Trinidad from 1800+
• And Poland Courland controlled Tobago until they sold it to the English.

Couple of nations are even lacking now. For example scotland which had a colony in Dariena for some time
Once scotland and some other minor nations are added your desire to have historical colonies will be fulfilled.  We will have historical caribbean composition. (not the incorrect composition of nations which other game designers were pushing in their games).

Our game explores the WHAT IF scenarios.. What IF the courland captains were as ambitious as you guys are? What IF denmark or Sweden did not sit still and expanded from their small holdings?

[erelkivtuadrater]

21 minutes ago, admin said:

Chinese laborers had a settlement on Trinidad from 1800+

The chinese deceased after like 2 years due to local sickness etc, but carry on.

[Swedish Berserker]

30 minutes ago, admin said:

You propose the game to have historical nations. we already do. 

We are not bound by an incorrect and non historical 3 nation view (only britain only spain only france) which was pushed into traditional history books and games by the victors (History is written by the victors). Eventually we will add all nations which had settlements in the North Americas. 

• Maracaibo was founded by german conquistadors and the area near maracaibo was controlled by german kings for quite a while. Brandenburg owned the whole island of St Thomas
• Chinese laborers had a settlement on Trinidad from 1800+
• And Poland Courland controlled Tobago until they sold it to the English.

Couple of nations are even lacking now. For example scotland which had a colony in Dariena for some time
Once scotland and some other minor nations are added your desire to have historical colonies will be fulfilled.  We will have historical caribbean composition. (not the incorrect composition of nations which other game designers were pushing in their games).

Our game explores the WHAT IF scenarios.. What IF the courland captains were as ambitious as you guys are? What IF denmark or Sweden did not sit still and expanded from their small holdings?

What about Russia? 

NOT complaining geniuently interested if there was Russian settlements in the Caribbean 

Edited May 11, 2020 by Swedish Berserker

[Prince of Wales]

Admin changes his reason for adding these nations? In the past you have said you added russia, prussia and poland to attract players from those countries irl(obviously prussian being ppl from germany)

[ChineseBatman]

8 minutes ago, Swedish Berserker said:

What about Russia? 

NOT complaining geniuently interested if there was Russian settlements in the Caribbean 

There wasn’t. Was no meaningful presence of China or Russia or Poland. Just nonsense. And more nations is bad for this game. Some times you need to be smarter and realise if you don’t have the player base, less is more.

[admin]

19 minutes ago, Swedish Berserker said:

What about Russia? 

NOT complaining geniuently interested if there was Russian settlements in the Caribbean 

We are deliberatly stating North Americas. If you could get to Americas you could get to Caribbean. Read up about Russian adventures on the west coast and alaska. 

Its really simple.. Original choice in 2013 was 3 nations but then we researched the subject. First addition was United States, because we wanted USS constitution in game. If United States (did not exist before 1775) get in - all nations who were present get in. 

[admin]

11 minutes ago, Prince of Wales said:

Admin changes his reason for adding these nations? In the past you have said you added russia, prussia and poland to attract players from those countries irl(obviously prussian being ppl from germany)

No.. We never said it is the only cause. Please do not misquote us.
We said we are not adding portugal because those nations would be empty. We had reservations about poland, even though courland had a colony. Poland was final decision was made because  @Bart Smith one of our first testers and mods - said please.

[Louis Garneray]

1 minute ago, rediii said:

 

What about native tribes?

And more importantly will they use canoes or buy ships from the Europeans?
Also when are we going to see the Chinese Junks around the Caribbean sea. That would be interesting to see a fight between a Junk and a Frigate or something bigger.

[Nixolai]

30 minutes ago, Swedish Berserker said:

What about Russia? 

NOT complaining geniuently interested if there was Russian settlements in the Caribbean 

We get it, you dont like Russia... Next topic... You have been ranting about this for so long...

Edited May 11, 2020 by Nixolai

[admin]

7 minutes ago, rediii said:

So portugal and scotland are coming?

What about native tribes?

They might .. ETA 2 to 99 weeks, might never come. 

What is your interest in this subject? Sweden also only had one puny town https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustavia,_Saint_Barthélemy and look at them in game now.. A big rival to everyone, thanks player's willpower and organization.

This game is a what if game. We have no plans to change anything in terms of national composition and are only replying for educational purposes. 

[Cetric de Cornusiac]

1 minute ago, Louis Garneray said:

That would be interesting to see a fight between a Junk and a Frigate or something bigger.

Interesting only once. Because any frigate or better (or even smaller) would wreck any junk that we know of. And then the complaints about "balance" will start...

Balance complaints also will start when devs would boost junks beyond any realism just to make them competitive...

so, in the sum, better not.

[admin]

Just now, rediii said:

No sweden is dead

Like most nations they only own ports because russia tells others to stop fighting

Nations come and go - whiners remain. 

[admin]

11 minutes ago, rediii said:

Admin explained all impossible nations except russia. Valid question

We did explain. North Americas had multiple russian colonies. We never said we are looking for caribbean only. 

Nations that could be still added
Malta/Hospitalliers - an elite PVP order which could be invite only or something (had a colony in 1651), some scrolls could be found and some elite players might decide to resurrect it through a chain of events or something (Can be destroyable)
Venice/Duchy of Tuscany - could be nation of traders (established presence in 1608)
Scotland - Special historical nation for @Angus MacDuff - had colonies in multiple places in the Americas including NA town of Dariena 
Norse - special early historical nation for @Swedish Berserker - had presence in north north americas. But maybe too much... But i like how @Swedish Berserker talks to haters.. maybe i will grant him a colony..  can be a destroyable nation. Lost boarding = lost a character.

 

[Runic]

@admin Not a good response to a valid point by @rediii

 

[Urchin]

Historic or not, what is the business reason for having so many nations?  To attract as many players as possible from those nations, expectation that people like to play under their own national flag or not at all?  

[Poryv]

4 minutes ago, rediii said:

 Im interested aswell where russia had colonies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_America

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_colonization_of_the_Americas

Edited May 11, 2020 by Poryv

[Urchin]

Just now, rediii said:

Thanks. Yea I forgot about alaska

It's a fascinating story, one mans empire built from nothing. 

[Poryv]

They even were in California:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_colonization_of_the_Americas#California

[admin]

Just now, rediii said:

26 russians

 

1 was screening

[Poryv]

and Hawaii:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian-American_Company#Outside_Alaska

[Cetric de Cornusiac]

1 hour ago, admin said:

(History is written by the victors)

Obviously not. How else we would know about all those details of minor colonization attempts?

There is another saying: The pen is stronger than the sword. Which kind of contradicts "history is written by the victors".

[Louis Garneray]

Do I detect some trolling left and right?

 

[Urchin]

2 minutes ago, Poryv said:

They even were in California:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_colonization_of_the_Americas#California

Hunters they followed the otters down, they'd hunted them to near extension further north. Of course no otters in Caribbean they were never there. All this for felt to make hats in Europe.

[admin]

Thinking about Tuscany and Venice and Italy in general

• Columbus
• Amerigo Vespucci 
• John Cabot 
• Verrazzano

Were all italians