Maybe time change snow BR?

[Kejsaren]

To something more appropriate to it's actual effectivness in combat, 120 to start with?. 

I know it's small ship, but it's also a spaceship carrying carros. 60 is way to low.

 

Either that or fix her (prefer the later), she is an embarassment to this awsome game.

Even people who hate the ship sails it.

Edited May 2, 2020 by Emperor Ming

[Genevieve Malfleurs]

27 minutes ago, Emperor Ming said:

To something more appropriate to it's actual effectivness in combat, 120 to start with?. 

I know it's small ship, but it's also a spaceship carrying carros. 60 is way to low.

 

Either that or fix her (prefer the later), she is an embarassment to this awsome game.

Even people who hate the ship sails it.

snow has been fun with br75, 6pders or 18er carros. and effective too! no it's just bollocks made for trolls.

[OjK]

Well it has bigger damage outpot than Rattlesnake Heavy which is 100 BR.

And sails way better.

 

How dare You say the BR is wrong!

[Never]

I think a decent solution would be to return the Snow to it's previous form and keep the 60 BR; and then add a new 'Navy Snow' with the upgraded larger carros and slightly better performance with a higher BR. Fans of the Snow can all chose their preferred version. 

[Proka]

yes please, i need BR to tag redoutable

[Aquillas]

7 minutes ago, Never said:

I think a decent solution would be to return the Snow to it's previous form and keep the 60 BR; and then add a new 'Navy Snow' with the upgraded larger carros and slightly better performance with a higher BR. Fans of the Snow can all chose their preferred version. 

This would be acceptable for both old Snow users and present 32 pounder users.

And for the protection of new players in capital areas, the battle rating of the "Navy Snow" should be bigger or equal to 120

[Frosty]

How about we balance all shallow ships? 

Don't know if it's in their agenda though...

[Gregory Rainsborough]

Increasing the BR should be sufficient, I would say 110-120 BR if other ships are adjusted accordingly.

[Kejsaren]

1 hour ago, Proka said:

yes please, i need BR to tag redoutable

Need i say more... (i'm sure there are plenty battles you can join.. )

Edited May 2, 2020 by Emperor Ming

[Sento de Benimaclet]

1 hour ago, Proka said:

yes please, i need BR to tag redoutable

 

59 minutes ago, Gregory Rainsborough said:

Increasing the BR should be sufficient

Perfect to get the BR on the snow. By the way they put permit as it was put to the boats that were used mostly in the PVP.

[Christendom]

Snow with 32lb carros is nuts.  Privateer with 24lbers is just as bad.

[Ferdinand de LaSalle]

Hi Folks, we need generally a more fair br-system in open waters. My nation will be constantly attacked by specialised raiders in excellent ships. They came often in groups so the attacked player have normally no chances. Sometimes ist look like in a slaughter house. In reality some places will be not be useable, because of the mass of wrecks.

So pls go back to the BR-System we had before ca. 1.5 years ago or a solution between the two systems.

1. The reaction time for the defending forces to reach the battlefield is to short, even you have a good alert System you can´t reach the points. 

2. Actually the highly specialised raiders in their excellent ships can do attacks with only a few risks. They have always a strong local superiority. So pls, give the defending forces a higher BR-rate, that their oponents. to have a chance of punishment. And please no arguments like (they can wait outside. That monster ships are nearly almost faster than the "normal" defending ships

This 2 changes could bring more fair fighting conditions in that segment. And this could be helpful to stop the reduction of Player population.

Thank you

[Kejsaren]

10 hours ago, RepairyMcRepairous said:

its a very weak ship, rig shock it with 2 chasers, demast it in 5 shots, sink it in a double broadside, and its bow breaks on cutters, it has a skeleton crew.

It can turn.

60BR is fair.

The physics are redicolous, the turning is redicolous, the 32 carros on her is redicolous, her br rating is redicolous.

Most of all, you defending that op ship that even snow-lovers can't defend.. is redicolous.

Ffs even @Gregory Rainsboroughagrees, if anyone knows about snow it's him.

[Kejsaren]

3 hours ago, RepairyMcRepairous said:

if you increase its BR you increase the size of ship it can tag.

The problem with this is that you are absolutely right, only ship in NA (?) that gets even more OP by increasing BR.

So, screw BR change.. just make the ship a ship again, instead of a ufo.

Edited May 3, 2020 by Emperor Ming

[Tiedemann]

90 BR?

[SwordSmith95]

The question is, what BR would be good relative to the standards of other ships in its class?

90 - 120: In my opinion this is too high, does it really have the firepower and thickness of Niagara, let alone a Surprise to justify this BR?

65 - 80: This, in my opinion, is appropriate; it's sufficiently describes the Snow's increased capability with the change in carronade size, while simultaneously not making the ship so BR inefficient that it can't be used for anything but PVE. Additionally, while only a minor change, this would also make the ship not a default choice for shallow water port battles as it is no longer a perfect divisor of 900. (Unless we go with 75).

Ultimately, however, this may also cause us to need to look at other ships in the class as well, such as the Mercury.

Edited May 5, 2020 by SwordSmith95
A few typos

[AeRoTR]

First of all, all accell. and decel. rates of all ships need a nerf. Look how broken lrq is, worse than snow. Even the biggest ships, and worse with spanish rig refit. 

So snow needs nerf to turn rate, and some increase to it is BR. Do not cry if you get tagged by snow, and lose your big ship with increased br. 

[OriginPre]

Simply put the Snow is broken. It’s almost like you are being gifted a free kills when you hunt around in one. The ultimate seal clubbing ship.
 

I think a combination of these things would fix it, reduce its Manoeuvrability. Either make its turn rate and sail power less, and reduce its over all speed at fir fir. 
 

Or maybe swap the 32pd carros for 24pds. 

Let’s put it this way, with help from a costal tower I killed a redoubtable solo in a snow. That shouldn’t be able to happen!

[Capitalism]

Leave it alone. It and the privateer are the only reason we see 6th rates on the OW... if you want to gripe about its role, gripe about the repair meta and the need to “rebalance” guns in order to actually sink people in the age of reprinting ships multiple times through battle.

[Beeekonda]

Reduce  SAIL HP by 20-25 % and RIP snow

[Black Watch]

1 hour ago, Capitalism said:

f you want to gripe about its role, gripe about the repair meta and the need to “rebalance” guns in order to actually sink people in the age of reprinting ships multiple times through battle.

This is really an issue, reparing Guns during battle lol 

[Sea Archer]

We should add physics to the game, adding high weight above the waterline should have a drastic impact on the performance of a ship. You should be able to do it, but there should be higher heel and the risk of capsizing. 

There has to be some downside, when you improve the guns in such a drastic way.

[Slim McSauce]

On 5/2/2020 at 6:24 AM, Never said:

I think a decent solution would be to return the Snow to it's previous form and keep the 60 BR; and then add a new 'Navy Snow' with the upgraded larger carros and slightly better performance with a higher BR. Fans of the Snow can all chose their preferred version. 

Very outside-the-box proposal. When was the last time we had a Navy version of a ship released? Very underutilized classification of ship.

[JDMonster]

I think that nerfing acceleration and de-acceleration is a good compromise.  What makes the snow OP isn't the fact that it can carry 32lb carronades.  What makes it OP is that it can turn on a dime and can very quickly stop and start again.  A reduction in it's ability to stern camp is all that it needs.  Increasing it's BR won't do that.

[Capitalism]

lol oh noes! People complaining about getting stern camped resulted in the last time we got a complete rework of the damage model.  And for those of you who haven’t been playing long enough, or choose to be ignorant, this resulted in the near disappearance of lower rated ships on the OW, even in the shallows, because bigger guns always won.

This then resulted in 5th rates in shallows just to get people back into that part of the map... Don’t let your own inability to learn how to deal with a small ship on your stern result in you asking for something that will ultimately hurt the game again.