A date with Diana: Event

[Coaster]

12 hours ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

I take it you never played any MMO's?   When you fight an elite boss you normally are rewarded with some type of elite rewards.  While it might be random or some games tailyor towards your char, but your getting something worth the fight your doing.  Instead here we we are fighting elite bosses and getting crap.    If it was just a normal AI fight I wouldn't be complaining, but when I have board mods, 300 more crew than the ship and more muskets than they have crew I should be doing some hefty damage to them.   Same with bring in a 2nd rate to fight either the 5th rates or the 3rd, when a broad side does more damage than your own and they seem to be out fireing you too even if you took out a good number of guns something isn't right.  Than you should expect epic reward for the epic fight, but instead we get pretty much garbish loot drops and ship builds nothing close to what normal players would use or what you just fought.

About all I can use that ship for is grinding normal AI's for 5th rate missions.  Cause it can't be used in PvP or RvR with such build unless I was going to fireship it maybe.

Specifically, this is Naval Action, not Some Generic MMO. For some time now Elite vessels have been spotted around the seas. These vessels are considerably harder to defeat than normal ones. They are prized for the loot they carry, ranging from Obusiers and Additional Ballast to Blomefields and a Ship Note. You are even able to capture the vessel, but its quality will be random, and in no way indicative of what you just fought. The ship type these elites can come as are available ingame for players to build themselves.

Three things are different with the Diana, Cecilia and De Ruyter.
1: It is an event - short period of time that these ships will be here. They may be added later, or the event to return, or neither.
2: None of these ships are currently available for a player to obtain outside the event (barring sales/trades).
3. The loot IS the ship. With regards to the Diana and Cecilia, you may get a note. With the De Ruyter, you can only obtain it through capture.

So whether you get a grey shabby fir/fir, or whether you get a golden madskillz (S)exy/(S)exy, you get the ship. You use it where you deem its capability and your capability will give it best chance to survive.

If a golden wunderboot is all that is fit to put in your trophy cabinet, i suggest you steer clear as there is a very small % you will be pleased, and just because little Johnny got one does not mean you are entitled to the same. If you still feel outraged, then focus on the element that triggers it - the lack of a ship note for the De Ruyter (personally i see no problem with its absence).


It still seems odd that 2 nations have arbitrarily been handicapped at being able to attack the De Ruyter.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Coaster said:

It still seems odd that 2 nations have arbitrarily been handicapped at being able to attack the De Ruyter.

Who knows they might handicap 2 other nations the next time they add an event 

[CptEdwardKenway]

Would be great if there would be another way to get the De Ruyter. Not everyone has the time to move a ship to these areas and fight them. Or extend the event at least. The time is simply too short.

Edited March 9, 2020 by CptEdwardKenway

[Guest]

I think they will add De Ruyter permit at one point, or make it a permanent elite ship sailing around we will see

[Sir Texas Sir]

15 hours ago, Coaster said:

Specifically, this is Naval Action, not Some Generic MMO. For some time now Elite vessels have been spotted around the seas. These vessels are considerably harder to defeat than normal ones. They are prized for the loot they carry, ranging from Obusiers and Additional Ballast to Blomefields and a Ship Note. You are even able to capture the vessel, but its quality will be random, and in no way indicative of what you just fought. The ship type these elites can come as are available ingame for players to build themselves.

Three things are different with the Diana, Cecilia and De Ruyter.
1: It is an event - short period of time that these ships will be here. They may be added later, or the event to return, or neither.
2: None of these ships are currently available for a player to obtain outside the event (barring sales/trades).
3. The loot IS the ship. With regards to the Diana and Cecilia, you may get a note. With the De Ruyter, you can only obtain it through capture.

So whether you get a grey shabby fir/fir, or whether you get a golden madskillz (S)exy/(S)exy, you get the ship. You use it where you deem its capability and your capability will give it best chance to survive.

If a golden wunderboot is all that is fit to put in your trophy cabinet, i suggest you steer clear as there is a very small % you will be pleased, and just because little Johnny got one does not mean you are entitled to the same. If you still feel outraged, then focus on the element that triggers it - the lack of a ship note for the De Ruyter (personally i see no problem with its absence).


It still seems odd that 2 nations have arbitrarily been handicapped at being able to attack the De Ruyter.

Yes it's Naval Action, but that still doesn't change the fact it's still an MMO sandbox game.   You have even stated that elite ships have rewards, but we are stating these ships aren't giving the correct rewards for the risk.   I don't care how rare a ship is, if it's crap it's still crap and folks won't sail it.  Specially after you fought something that wasn't crap.   This has been a long running problems with the devs they don't understand risk vs rewards and think the way to balance a games AI is just make them tuffer and harder to kill.   Instead if I have to bring a tricked out Season wood ship to fight an AI and my reward is something lesser, than I won't want to do it.  It's the same problems epic misisons had, you fight epic ships to get chest that don't drop rewards for each player, but instead you have to split it in an uneven manor or hope that you can trust the other players that loot the chest.   Cause no one can see the loot except the guy that opens it.  On traditional MMO's they will do a loot roll and you can down or up grab the items you want.  While this game is not a traditional MMO it still is one and needs to follow some sort of system of risk vs rewards. 

No one is saying they don't want to fight these ships, they just want the rewards to be better than they are.  Your the only one saying that we want super deck out ships, but if I have to bring one than my reward should be something worth that I want to keep or replace something I all ready own.   Getting rig repairs and a common book drop I all ready have and a very bad wood build of common woods is not a reward that you should get from an epic fight.  It's a reward I would expect from just a normal AI ship in the OW.   

Last night @Robert Lance one of my clan mates was hitting several ships and he was getting nothing but green, shabby builds and no note drops.  The other rewards weren't even worth it.   He lost a L'Ocean to being ganked by Russians so after a long night of grinding he lost a good build ship and got nothing of worth to show for it.  That doesn't encourage gamers to come back and play.  Just like most events they come up with.  It just encourages folks to gank solo players and get easy free kills.   The treasure chest/sunken fleet events are like that so rarely folks go out to them cause all the loot is gone in the first few mines any way.  These devs just don't understand how to do proper loot vs reward for the risk of a fight. 

 

How is two nations handicapped, just about every one I know had to sail some where else to get random ships.   Those two nations can do the exact same thing as others did.  You think I'm sailing to the area where Dutch (the nation I play) and French ships are near me?  No I'm sailing to another area that gives better odds of getting none Dutch ships.

[Хвост Дьявола]

Боюсь я многих здесь разочарую. Ивент крайне плох. Обьясняю на своем примере. Два дна жизни потрачено в пустую. Я новичек. Играю месяц, но уже понимаю какие еорабли стоят своего времени, денег, из каких материалов их лучше их делать. Какие материалы для постройки сейчас в мете игры. ТАк вот...Я потратил два дня был везьде где были эти корабли.... ни одного нормального корабля сицилии или дианы я не потопил и не захватил. Они были сабука или еще какой нибудь картон. На них не зайти в бой , ими нельза гордиться -какую диану я забрал или нашел. Они все бесполезные в бою и терять их не жалко.... а время сколько было потрачено? я закрыл две миссии на 5 ранг на 1100 дублонов и 13 комбат медалей, и не нашел ни одного нормального корабля, а ноты мне вообще не выпало....30 кораблей утоплено.... бред, ивент разочерование. ПОжалуя лично я больше тратить время свое на такое не целесообразное занятие не буду никогда. это мнение новичка

[Cetric de Cornusiac]

23 hours ago, Coaster said:

It still seems odd that 2 nations have arbitrarily been handicapped at being able to attack the De Ruyter.

There is word nationalities will change for event ships in future events. Actually that is only an issue for de Ruyter, as the others have alternative hunting grounds, Tumbado and Lower Antilles.

Or event ships should all be neutral...

Edited March 10, 2020 by Cetric de Cornusiac

[Cetric de Cornusiac]

People judge this event too much after the "payoff" they may get or not get.

What is the priceless effect worth, going out on the hunt for something special you don't get anytime else, competing versus a number of equally minded captains, and discovering the desired object out of the blue at your horizon? This is the fun of events like this one. Payoff can be a nice extra cream on your coffee, but it's not all to be won.

Some moan about the extra-elite capabilities of event ships which isn't corresponding to the quality found after capture, but hey, that is part of challenge to fight uphill. You can sealclub frigate packs with your First Rate all day...

I had fun (3 De Ruyters: grey, green and blue)

Edited March 10, 2020 by Cetric de Cornusiac

[CptEdwardKenway]

I already saw the "payoff". Useless ship which will only take space. I was interested in the De Ruyter but what I've seen it's 1 impossible to take it solo and 2 not worth the time.

[Msk]

43 minutes ago, CptEdwardKenway said:

I already saw the "payoff". Useless ship which will only take space. I was interested in the De Ruyter but what I've seen it's 1 impossible to take it solo and 2 not worth the time.

its far from impossible taking them solo. The amount of guys doing exactly that is kinda bonkers, matter of fact when i get out of class later today ill go back out to solo capping them.

[Cetric de Cornusiac]

1 hour ago, CptEdwardKenway said:

I already saw the "payoff". Useless ship which will only take space. I was interested in the De Ruyter but what I've seen it's 1 impossible to take it solo and 2 not worth the time.

Sure, it is easier when working with a mate. But very doable alone if you know your ship and your skill. Main issue I found is the speed De Ruyter has in OW and catching up with him. The Christian I use is bermuda cedar / teak and thus quite fast, but could two times not catch him nevertheless. It's a good idea to team up with someone who has a faster ship for tagging.

[Cetric de Cornusiac]

Is there also data available as statistics about how many player lost their ships fighting Cecilia, Diana or De Ruyter?

[Style13000]

@admin

Two Questions:

1. Is it possible to extend the event for one day after the server issues today?

2. Can you post a statistic/overview after the event? (how many ships were engaged, how many notes dropped, who had the most "successful dates?"(most notes looted))

[CptEdwardKenway]

3 hours ago, Msk said:

its far from impossible taking them solo. The amount of guys doing exactly that is kinda bonkers, matter of fact when i get out of class later today ill go back out to solo capping them.

Well will I be able do take it with another 3rd rate without losing the fight?

And even if you try it with a 2nd or 1st rate most people need support from other people just to get a shiny ship they can look at in a harbor or just use it for trader hunting with their mighty bermudar cedar/mahogany log. Because for anything else this ship is bloody useless. And that's a fact.

Edited March 10, 2020 by CptEdwardKenway

[Cetric de Cornusiac]

2 hours ago, CptEdwardKenway said:

Well will I be able do take it with another 3rd rate without losing the fight?

And even if you try it with a 2nd or 1st rate most people need support from other people just to get a shiny ship they can look at in a harbor or just use it for trader hunting with their mighty bermudar cedar/mahogany log. Because for anything else this ship is bloody useless. And that's a fact.

You are on PvE peace server? I offer you to meet tomorrow morning and we try to capture a De Ruyter together. That is, I let you do it and when there is trouble, intervene when you say so.

[Sir Texas Sir]

6 hours ago, Msk said:

its far from impossible taking them solo. The amount of guys doing exactly that is kinda bonkers, matter of fact when i get out of class later today ill go back out to solo capping them.

I had no problem solo using my Christian that we got.  The issue that others found was more the getting jumped while fighting an elight type ship or coming out of the fight with a wounded ship and one in tow and having to face one or more folks in PvP ships (not tanked out AI grinders).  I got tagged twice last night but lucky the players let me go (one I was out runnning his L'ocean any way).  I know some one that lost a couple of ships during the event and didn't get a single note and ever ship they fought was crap builds (non season woods and bad combos we wouldn't normally use).

1 hour ago, Cetric de Cornusiac said:

You are on PvE peace server? I offer you to meet tomorrow morning and we try to capture a De Ruyter together. That is, I let you do it and when there is trouble, intervene when you say so.

Isn't the event over with? Ops just looked and it says morning of the 11th.  I could of swore it said he 10th.   Guess I might have one more day to try to get some decent build  ship that isn't complete crap build after all.

Edited March 11, 2020 by Sir Texas Sir

[JDMonster]

6 hours ago, Cetric de Cornusiac said:

Is there also data available as statistics about how many player lost their ships fighting Cecilia, Diana or De Ruyter?

Lost a Trinco to a Cecilia, but that's because I hello kittyed up big time in boarding and is entirely my fault.

 

lmao, top notch censor bot @admin .  I laughed.

 

Edited March 11, 2020 by JDMonster

[Cetric de Cornusiac]

8 hours ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

I had no problem solo using my Christian that we got.  The issue that others found was more the getting jumped while fighting an elight type ship or coming out of the fight with a wounded ship and one in tow and having to face one or more folks in PvP ships (not tanked out AI grinders).  I got tagged twice last night but lucky the players let me go (one I was out runnning his L'ocean any way).  I know some one that lost a couple of ships during the event and didn't get a single note and ever ship they fought was crap builds (non season woods and bad combos we wouldn't normally use).

Isn't the event over with? Ops just looked and it says morning of the 11th.  I could of swore it said he 10th.   Guess I might have one more day to try to get some decent build  ship that isn't complete crap build after all.

Christian is top choice for hunting De Ruyters, as long as it is not built as a slow liveoak-whiteoak tank (my talking all the time).

I sincerely would not like to attend the event under circumstances you face on PvP war server, it's just too likely ambushes are around in the zone, which is ruining the event fun (at least for the victim).

Yeah event is closing soon and last attempts have to get hurried...

[Jan van Santen]

Cruise thru the area a few times and you know their routes. Place yourself strategically and let them sail towards you....also dont try this at prime time with a full server. 

This way I got 3 Cecillias, 2 Dianas and 1 Ad dR , all w my redeemed lo(s)/wo(s) LO  (all crap, 2 notes at least yielding mediocre ships), total time spent: 6 or 8 hrs, not totally wasted since i got 3 nice elite notes on the way)

I know not all are free to pick their gaming time, but don't blame that on me, but rather event design

Edited March 11, 2020 by Jan van Santen

[Sir Texas Sir]

Yah was running a Board Fit Ts/WOs Christian so wasn't having any issues and even was able to board the AdR's once I got the crew down.  Straight up board he did to much crew damage in the fight that it hurt if you didn't bring a lot of rum to crew up after.

My biggest issue with the event is I'm currently working 7/12's and have little play time once I get home so by time you sail out to the event area and get into maybe one or two fights I had to sail back and log out for bed.   So I didn't have time to just grind out the ships to try to get notes or something half decent.   The other issue is you fight an elite type ship you should be getting something other than normal rewards.  While I did get a Cecillian, funny cause I got one in a the ship wreck i got last night on the way back to Dutch lands that I had just been in the area when it popped, also got a seal bottle in that trip.  So the rewards on the trip home was actually beetter than the whole even.  Out of the AdR's I fought I only keep one the Oak/Sabucia one.    The rest where shabby and very light builds like fir something.  Useless for testing out and grinding on a new ship.

As for the event on PvP I didn't mind the risk of getting jumped and all as it did stimulate some PvP for folks, but it wasn't exactly fair as most folks I heard where jumped while fighting or after the fight while wounded and a lot of times by higher numbers.  So it wasn't exactly a fair PvP fight.   Last night the combat news looked like a lot of folks got jumped in US prime time.  The issue is after fighting elites you didn't get good builds or even for some no note drops on the Dianas or Sc's.   I know that was the problem with one clan mate, he finally got a note on his last fight against a Diana and it was Loki in, the guy ended up try to sink the ship so he couldn't capture it but when he looted it he got a note.  This is after looseing a couple of ships in that area over the event weekend.

[JDMonster]

Diana's are very easy to kill with a USS/Constitution.  Even with long 24's for the gun deck you can reload shock with a good double shot broadside with the regular 42lb carronades on the weather deck.

[Cathal Brugha]

That would be nice, if shock affected the ai

[CptEdwardKenway]

On 3/11/2020 at 12:39 AM, Cetric de Cornusiac said:

You are on PvE peace server? I offer you to meet tomorrow morning and we try to capture a De Ruyter together. That is, I let you do it and when there is trouble, intervene when you say so.

Thanks for the offer but I had no time. I had to work the last few days. Anyway I don't hink I would be able to board it with a Implaceable or Redoutable and I didn't plan to hunt them down. My ships were nowhere near Hispaniola. The capped ships with bad woods were just not worth the risk. It was very likely that I would lose my ship during boarding and no way I would have taken my Implaceable into action.

[Ntweedie2007]

Nice. I got 8 Diana notes and 4 Cecilia notes. I was mostly interested in Diana notes so that worked out well. I was fresh off doing the exam the day before and then spent the next few days on and off trying to get as many as I could. I have a Redoubt, so overkill yes but with 280 crew (later 380) it was a fun challenge managing crew! I was told they may try to board but they never did. Cecilia's were actually harder to handle due to their mobility. I brought an Admiraal, as they were too tough for me and I wouldn't have been able to board with my crew numbers. 

 

Fun event for me. At least on PvE. I imagine it was...interesting on PvP! Hope for more similar events in future with unique/rare ships.

[Trawn]

Well I only went for one Cecilia and one Diana note for more dock queens as there is not much use for 5th rates except occasional fun for which I prefer Endymion anyway. But went all out on Ruyters, capping 11 of them, not being able to find decent wood combo (at least 80+ base armor). 

Ruyters are amazing looking and performing ships, I really hope they will make them craftable. In this case I wouldnt even be mad for DLC, but staying with "rare diana-like status" would be complete waste of modeling/programming effort. Once the initial thrill goes away, nobody will use 70 armor mahogany/bermuda or something in face of ever increasingly powerful AIs and while having dozens of seasoned ships in dock. So I would say in few weeks Ruyters will completely fade away thus wasting an oportunity and work put into it.

That being said from PvE server perspective. 

BTW I really dont know how those datamined datas about Ryuter woods can be true. There certainly wasnt any Teak(s)/WO(s) around, at least not in statisticaly superior numbers