I Shot Got Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 Well once again a single clan will impact on a nation. HAVOC are jumping ship to the Swedes. As they are the owners of San Juan they can hand it to the Swedes on a plate uncontested and appear to be doing just that. When the clan based system was introduced I was not alone when I thought that this wasn't a great move. I said to myself at the time that if clan politics screwed me over I was going to reassess my position in this game. It appears that time has come with HAVOC doing just that, creating havoc. With everything that HAVOCs actions imply and impact on I am beginning to wonder why I bother to invest time in this game just so a poor game mechanic can once again screw it all over. I and others now have wasted a lot of time moving resources out so we can at least have something to start with dare I say it again. I am wondering where this is fun or enjoyable because to be honest it is nothing but a pain in the ARSE! Yet again have to farm Dubloons, reals etc to rebuild due to another clans actions within a nation. The new players who have spent hours building infrastructure have been hung out to dry by this brutally stupid clan owned port mechanic. If the developers insist on having port bonus' in game then they need to ensure that every nation/faction/player and or clan has access to it in a safe port with full 55pt capability. Though for me the best thing to do would be get rid of port bonus' and allow Clans to build TRADING only port control. For me I'll do my bit help the clan move but then I am taking a break from this idiocy - I'll go play on the PvE server so I can fight PvP while fighting AI's. At least then no individual clan decision will impact on how the game is played. Game is for me broken - go back to Nations and get rid of this Clan port dominance when it impacts on ship building - clan trade ownership no problems. Clans fighting together as a group great encourage it but clans owning ship building rights and ports ..... nope not interested as it unbalances the game. Spy 8
Beeekonda Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 WTS Combat Marks WTS Doubloons WTS Victory Marks PM me on forums or Discord LͫOͤRͫDͤ#4234 2
erelkivtuadrater Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 they can do as they want, they are entitled to do as they want. However, the forged papers dlc was imo how it was delivered a terrible mistake which makes people able to do this once a month with little to no penalty (can trade ships and resources to an alt, swap nation then trade back), and in my opinion the forged papers should business wise, balance wise, and logical wise be a one time payments for 1x forged papers to use, they could even have the same price for it or even lower, they would still make much more money than they did with the dlc, people would probably not swap nations that much and would hopefully think twice before doing so. Also remembering admin saying the forged paper lets the player wipe out his identity and start as new for a chance for a fresh start. Well, this doesent make a whole lot of sense because which NPC would give out unlimited amounts of forged paper for just a small price to pay and would take the full risk of selling illegal papers. People can say all they want about the game is released etc, but some of these things are actually many of the reason why the playerbase on the pvp server has been halved in 4 months (see swapping to Russia instead of fighting back) 1
Georg Fromm Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 is already an advance that Havoc does not switch to the Russians 3
I Shot Got Posted October 30, 2019 Author Posted October 30, 2019 rediii (whoever you are) 1. Whoever you are you didn't invest in San Juan. The only clans that invested a considerable amount in San Juan were HAVOC, BOCAR and the now clan called LAMA. So you benefited from that clanbased portmechanic in the first place. I must be having a psychotic break or maybe I'm senile, all those false memories I have of gathering Dubloons, Materials etc and freely handing them over to contribute towards infrastructure when requests for help were put in national chat. Damn what was I drinking, smoking or taking that made me think that, like others, I actually contributed to the port. Maybe because I didn't have a clan tag or belong to one of the above clans it's all a fake memory. I don't begrudge you the choice to change nation. That is entirely up to the individuals involved and your reasons for doing so may well be valid (164 players on today at one stage). I am attempting to point out the inconsistency's of individual clans controlling one of the most important pieces of infrastructure that the game uses and the impact this has on players overall. I stand by my statement that if Port Bonus' are here to stay then every player regardless of nation, clan or even an individual player should have access to the capability of constructing ships on a level footing with other players. As for you rediii, you are correct you don't know me and I don't know you, suffice it to say I don't need to know you. Spy
Bubba Smith Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 Note to self : Another reason to avoid PvP.
Sureshot Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 I Mean we all expected this, it was only a matter of time. And maybe we are the ones who made the mistake knowing it was eventually going to happen. .Those 24 hours we had to pack our shit was nice and classy. Ihz great game mechanics.😜 Now lets try and defend the port, oh wait we can't since we've all been removed from friends list, as if we would of had enough anyway but just to rub salt in the wound. Now lets enjoy crafting our non port bonus ships and have some "fun". 😁 *grabs popcorn* 3
I Shot Got Posted October 31, 2019 Author Posted October 31, 2019 rediii, My being in DNP has nothing to do with this discussion any more than you being in HAVOC. I am questioning a broken mechanic and you delivered it, by your actions, the way to highlight it. At no point have I mentioned the clan leaderboard. The 164 I mentioned was how many people in TOTAL were on the server while I was on. As for how much I put forward 10.000 dubs is way under the mark in one 3 day period alone I put in 40.000 dubs in by myself and I contributed far more as well I didn't contribute it as a member of DNP but as a player who put national interest first. I put off what I was building for myself to ensure that the nation was in a stronger position. The issue here is clan control rather than national control of an important asset. While you justify your decision to hand over the port to your new chums everyone who has invested in the infrastructure including infrastructure they have built for themselves is loosing out. I think what you said below in your announcement to the nation pretty much sums it up. I'll let others decide what meaning they wish to take from it. To me this is an excellent example of why Clan ownership should be removed. Spy redii @everyone Sorry. We decided to move to sweden because there is no BR change or alliance mechanic in sight. This nation is not active anymore and I can only suggest everyone to move away from denmark aswell. It won't have a nice future. If you move to sweden I can talk with clans of sweden to fund you a start (as a clan). I think 1 shipyard lvl 3 (60.000 dubs) and ~3 million reals should be realistic for the clans that are still here. Maybe it will be less but I will try what I can. For transperency: HAVOC is receiving 120k dubs and 15 mil reals to set up again in sweden. I have no clue yet how many active HAVOC players will move aswell so maybe we can help out aswell. Probably popular questions: - What happens with the teamspeak? The contract is canceled ~2020 april. It will stay like it is now. If some clanleader wants serveradmin I can give it to him - What happens with the danish discord? Same as teamspeak - What happens with San Juan We will take San Juan as Sweden - Spanish town? I will heavily argue against taking spanish town. Realisticly I can not defend spanish town when I'm in sweden though. I will heavily argue against it and won't attack it (Ofc if no immense drama and insults are thrown around due to this nationchange) - More questions? Ask and I'll give you a honest answer. Just please stay human and don't start your question with a insult.
Daniboy3000 Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 Just remove port bonuses and this problem is fixed.
Teutonic Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) when HAVOC decides to leave Sweden then that's their choice. to blame a clan for moving around to find a place to pvp more or to have a group who wants to RvR or do anything that the clan is looking for is weak. The mechanics were setup this way at the beginning of the release, but only just now it's a problem because.....you relied on a port that wasn't owned by you? the clan owning the port is entirely within their right to decide what happens to it. a 35 pt port can be setup for crafting w/ port bonuses in these ways (no forts/towers) 3/3/3/3/3 or 4/3/3/2/2 or 4/3/3/2 and 3 defenses (since mast bonus is terrible) since your clan I assume owns a 35 pt port, I'm sure you can manage. alternatively you could work to fighting and taking some ports, or make deals with other nations to purchase ships or ports to invest in. It does require some effort. Edited October 31, 2019 by Teutonic 1
EliotXII Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 What you said seems to me very much something that happened in the game Taikodom (bankrupt), the players themselves ruined the game and made it impossible to play and the company did nothing to prevent it from happening.
Teutonic Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Bryan Von Gyldenloeve said: Yes you can use your 35 points many ways. But are you trying to tell me they will give the same bonus as a 45, ore are you try telling me portbonus actually dob’t matter. There is allways away around most issues. If ppl want. If ppl chose to do it ore not, Well thats there choise. But doubt most will. A few will stay and develop a 35 port. Just to PvE. Best players will proberbly go to a bigger nation. Me I casual play a bit. 1-2 h a week, and then just stay inactive. Game just isen’t to my liking. And I was allready going inactive before we lost SJ. Beside they make the game right. 2 things can proberbly bring me back. My son and the second thing, Well thats for me to know. Btw most give a shit abouth Havoc leaving. Just dob’t once more to grind to upgrade a port and make a shipyard. It is not abouth Havoc, but mechanic. to be completely fair - HAVOC moving also means they have to completely rebuild all their buildings as well. and hey, 35 pts became 40 in the hotfix. the mechanic has been there since the beginning, I find it interesting that we choose to complain about it right now.
Eyesore Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 10 hours ago, I Shot Got said: For transperency: HAVOC is receiving 120k dubs and 15 mil reals to set up again in sweden. I geuss rebuilding will not be a problem for HAVOC ... as they get paid to move to Sweden? What is that? A compensation for SJ? 😉 Complaints have been made since portboni were introduced ... having a selective memory? 2
Gregory Rainsborough Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 10:07 AM, Mascarino said: Bad news indeed, another dead nation, joining the Poland, Prussia and France group. Better than joining the bandwagon. Today's hotfix might solve the problem for the Danes as 5 extra points doesn't really matter. All 45 point ports are 50 now!
jodgi Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 13 minutes ago, Teutonic said: I find it interesting that we choose to complain about it right now. lel, this exact problem, whatever you may think about it, was used by many posters as an argument against a clan based system. The complaints came before the feature. 1
Sureshot Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 Well I guess one good thing came out of this for havoc, they got that "RvR" they so desperately wanted, if that is in fact uncontested PB's. 😜 2
jodgi Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Sureshot said: Well I guess one good thing came out of this for havoc, they got that "RvR" they so desperately wanted, if that is in fact uncontested PB's. 😜 *gasp* There are uncontested PBs still, now that ports finally matters!? If only someone had foreseen this... 2
Gregory Rainsborough Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Spikes said: Kind of lame to take the port with you and screw over the rest of your nation, or what's left of it. At least some ports are now 50 points. Didn't VCO royally hello kitty over the entire pirate nation? 5
Teutonic Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Spikes said: Kind of lame to take the port with you and screw over the rest of your nation, or what's left of it. At least some ports are now 50 points. coming from the clan that does it best, that's funny. 1
Sureshot Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Bryan Von Gyldenloeve said: In all fairness we really can’t know if it would have been contested. Havoc took the easy way, removed all from friendlist. Indeed they did, I thought that was quite hilarious. Because if they wanted RvR so bad why are they scared of us showing up to try and give them a fight? But I think we were kind of stupid to invest in a port havoc owned as they are always known for hopping nation when something doesn't go their way (no offence). Unfortunately if they do the same to Sweden in the future it won't matter unless they get 1 ported by Russia. 😅 1
Gregory Rainsborough Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 20 minutes ago, Spikes said: When we went to Russia we did not bring over the main Pirate crafting port, no. When did the clan that you used to be in do this? I don't remember bringing any ports over in our switch to Russia. You destroyed all the investments and then tried to use alts to keep it from being flipped. Only reason you didn't as far as I can see is that Russians couldn't pull hostility missions for it. 1
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