Sersanara Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, admin said: And as we said - loki was opening a way to consensual pvp. But you guys closed this door. I think YOU closed that door when trying to place a non-consensual PVP as a consensual PVP. If you had incorporated a true consensual PVP between players we (all) would not be in this situation. I myself favor a consensual PVP on the PVE server, but a real consensual PVP. And when you do a GREAT job, the community also tells you, as in the case of port battles. 1
Sersanara Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Despe said: pa que necesitas abrirle las casillas a un mercante en el PVE si nadie puede atacarte? Ten un poquito de imaginación compañero. Sin ánimo de ofender.
Antonnio Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 This was so fun, the guy used Loki Rune and took refuge behind the enemy towers. I lost 30 minutes and I got nothing ... Most people who use Loki Rune on the PVE server are to troll people, wasting my time. (third time that happens to me) Please remove this as soon as possible. 1
admin Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 25 minutes ago, Sersanara said: And when you do a GREAT job, the community also tells you, as in the case of port battles. We are the community and you are all are part of it. But we were mistaken probably - you were fighting some battles and fights (us vs them) instead of working together. All features could be bad or good. And you never know before you test. Some might fail and wont be liked. Instead of saying : this feature is freaking bad - test has failed - please remove asap. What was said by many?. Devs are limited minded, delusional, idiots, stupid etc? Who protected us? PvP players. Where was the Peace server community? Community members are showing true colors not when the times are great (port battles) but when mistakes are made or experiments fail (Loki). Community members protect other community members. Otherwise they are just visitors/bystanders.+ i have not seen any gratitude post from you except for Port battles are a joke> Want an example? Many of your suggestions (many community members wanted that too) - were done. So please practice what you preach - say great when things are great, call the the jerks out and point and them and tell them to shut up, point at bad things as a person - be a community member. Not a visitor
erelkivtuadrater Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 33 minutes ago, admin said: The outrage on testing the feature was unacceptable. And the outrage culture you guys shown will just make us worry and afraid to bring anything new to peace server. And as we said before - loki was opening a door to consensual pvp. But this door is closed because nobody will give me resources and programming hours to experiment with new features on the Peace server because of risks of outrage bombs. Why didnt you try with the PZ on the Piece server instead then? Or even a toggle to allow pvp in the OW. I've even read on the forums players from the Piece server wanted to test out the patrol zone there if they wanted to pvp. you would just have to activate it and test it insted of spending time on developing something revolutionary. Keep it simple like a sandbox game that you say the game is. Keep up the good work and make us the players give great reasons to make a good review for the game and help us help you Edited October 30, 2019 by erelkivtuadrater 3
Jan van Santen Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 25 minutes ago, admin said: We always considered Peace server players our supporters and part of the community. ... Last 2 months we spent significant amount of time making the Port battles and investment work for the PVE server.-..... And the outrage culture you guys shown will just make us worry and afraid to bring anything new to peace server. ... a) we are supporting this game since years, most of us have several dlc.... And that exactly is why we want to to treated as customers ! b) why did you even waste time on things you could have known are inaceptable to PvE players ? Nobody in my former job would have allowed me to waste time and money on things the customers would never accept We used to enquire first, develop later..... If you feel you wasted time/money, its due to not enquiring before developing. c) outrage culture ? i didnt see outrage in 2017, it grew over the last 2 years... The ones to blame for that are not your customers...but imho your relation with them. I like your programming skills and your game...but your communication (coming from a tech marketing pro) is unprofessional and must result in what you call "outrage" 3
Cetric de Cornusiac Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 44 minutes ago, admin said: The outrage on testing the feature was unacceptable. And the outrage culture you guys shown will just make us worry and afraid to bring anything new to peace server. You had dozens of shitstorms by your beloved PvP community over the last years. And now, that you get a first one from your carebear PvE community, and very deservedly, you act as if we commit high-treason against you. That's ridiculous. And you are threatening us with reducing your attention to PvE peace server, as we are so damn ungrateful for unwanted content infringing the principle of this place, call it testing or no testing (it's a released game, isn't it?). That's even more ridiculous. Or maybe you are trying here to create a pretext to kill our server and merge them, as Texas and the other grandson JG14_Cuz were ready to jump to conclusion? For giving your pets new prey? You know as well as we do that this will not rescue Naval Action but kill it altogether, just a bit slower than how your PvP heroes are already killing their war server. This game will survive with PvE peace server staying clean and what it is now. Your decision. Dump it all by throwing us under the bus and between fangs of your ganker club or rescue at least peace server. Edited October 30, 2019 by Cetric de Cornusiac 1
Skeksis Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 @Cetric de Cornusiac, thanks very much for spearheading feedback, o7. Admin forget Loki feature works very well on War Server, not waste many hours of programming.
admin Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, Cetric de Cornusiac said: You had dozens of shitstorms by your beloved PvP community over the last years. And now, that you get a first one from your carebear PvE community, and very deservedly, you act as if we commit high-treason against you. That's ridiculous. We no longer tolerate shitstorms and always call them lately( Peace or war does not make a difference) We love both servers.You are no exception. But You want us to protect the server, bring the features and improve the game- why dont you protect the devs? We are one community not us vs them. Want to be part of the community behave like one. I for one have not seen you correcting Freidrich trashy language both here and in game chat. Care to explain? Are you a bystander or a member of the community?
Leon BocaNegra Posted October 30, 2019 Author Posted October 30, 2019 Que para que quiero abrirle las casillas a un mercante Despeinado?....para ir mas rápido hijo mio aunque no te ataquen en PVE, si abriendoles las casillas vas mas rápido pues se las abres ....no? Pero una vez más cuestionas lo que hago...y una vez más te quedas tu solito en ridiculo
Leon BocaNegra Posted October 30, 2019 Author Posted October 30, 2019 Se nota que no tienes la Enciclopedia de Navegación, ni el Navy Loodmans Reports y tampoco el Treem Speed, y si lo tienes el comentario que acabas de hacer.....es para hacerse notar...y llamar la atención...Verdad Despeinado , que te gusta llamar la atención?..... porque siendo tu veterano seguro que tienes todos esos upgrades.....que te gusta llamar la atención...hahhahaha
ZWAJO Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 16 hours ago, admin said: This attitude shows a simple thing. Peace servers treats the whole situation as us vs them. For some reason it was treated as a fight not a cooperation. We deployed LOKI on PVP first and it was active there for some time. Everyone knew it would be also eventually working on the PVE server - nobody said a word. We always said we will deploy it on pve for testing. For testing means - giving it out to see if people like it or not. Most peace server colleagues treated it as insult , a war, instead of experiment. Some abused the devs some review bombed the game. Hate to break it to you but the review bombing started when you deployed Loki full stop... not just when it went live on peace, as did the player count drop. You still don't get it, giving one player 0% risk and another player 100% risk and then making the choice on the 0% side so the only person with anything to loose has no say in the matter is just bad game mechanics period. The only people who support that are the very ones who wish to exploit mechanics like that to the detriment of others. There is no honor in Loki runes, no challenge, no accomplishment, there is a system that promotes zero repercussion bullying, and somehow you think this is good.
Cetric de Cornusiac Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, admin said: You want us to protect the server, bring the features and improve the game- why dont you protect the devs? What do you think I did during most of my two years in the game??? It earned me a reputation of being your fan boi and a white knight - and I am no longer sure if I did the right thing. Now.
admin Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, Cetric de Cornusiac said: What do you think I did during most of my two years in the game??? It earned me a reputation of being your fan boi and a white knight - and I am no longer sure if I did the right thing. Now. See You are proving my point, attacking us, accusing of something, shifting blame, threatening, claiming we said something we did not say. Claiming there is a fight that someone needs to win when there is no fight and just an experiment. Ignoring the question about friedrich yet often demanding we answer your questions. We do not like double standards here. Community strength and real friends are tested in hard times not in easy times Loki gets removed. Peace on the server will be restored. We have nothing more to say on this subject. 9
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