318 On-Line....Time to worry?

[Ed Rose]

28 minutes ago, Borch said:

You're late with the question. You should ask back then.

 

ERM!!!! 

No idea, sorry! 

[King of Crowns]

Do not respond to toxicity with toxicity.

Report and ignore and move on.

Edited September 1, 2019 by Hethwill

[Sea Archer]

It takes much too long for new players to set up an economy to supply themselves with cheap ships and on the other hand they are killed 5min after they left the capital zone. 

One reason is the 20min timer, that in my opinion killed a lot of OW strategy (single out a player and attack when no one is around). The other main reason is the absence of the reinforcement zone. 

Edited September 2, 2019 by Sea Archer

[AeRoTR]

On 8/30/2019 at 5:35 PM, Atreides said:

Gold chest with combat marks is not pretty low, especially when people do them over and over and over.  A guy in a requin jumping a battle where a newby in a mercury fighting an AI brig. slam/board /kill  "me strong HURR DURR GOTTA GET ME RIBBON screw noobz!)  Wash/rinse/repeat until there are no noobs left around, then like locusts they go somewhere else.  The new players?  They either teleport away (if they have other outposts, try to stay inside the capital zone (uugh) or just turn the game off in frustration and vent somewhere.  Maybe they try it again, maybe they say screw it because "This game is just hello kittyed!" and uninstall and play another game.  Developer has disclosed data that 5000 new accounts bought since release, retention has been abysmal.  Mr HURR DURR RIBBONS AND SHINEYS stomp NOOBZ!  is part of the reason why.

 

This is all connected to developers and their vision, we can not blame any players.

[Sea Archer]

It would be great to know what the developer's vision is, so far it seems they are trying to make some loud people happy and do not care so much for the rest...

...maybe I am wrong...

[Aquillas]

The game is based, from a long time ago, on the assumption that strong have to become stronger and weak have to become weaker or have to accept to live a hard time for recovering. 

Why are some players permanently ganking newbies, Wasa vs Mercury?  For combat medals and chests. To open the way for a stronger or faster Wasa...

Don't blame players. 

By the way, yesterday evening, I attacked a trader brig, with my trader Lynx. It had no canon. I let it go. No fun, no fight. Don't blame players, but other behaviors are possible.

[Guest]

If Dev’s want to fix pop, bring it to the greater audience, then they would have to change their game and go through a relaunch, follow tried and tested principles succeed by WOWS and War Thunder.

Etc.

Rewards for Damage Done; loser support.

+1 -1 Battle Tier Limit (here for NA it would be by captain rank); beginner support.

Tech Trees (instead of RNG loot); progression continuity.

Solo’s and Causal Gameplay; playerbase reservoir.

 

Probably lots of others fundamentals too.

A relaunch is not impossible! I would love to see this game with 4000 players online.

Edited September 4, 2019 by Guest

[Capitalism]

9 hours ago, BuckleUpBones said:

If Dev’s want to fix pop, bring it to the greater audience, then they would have to change their game and go through a relaunch, follow tried and tested principles succeed by WOWS and War Thunder.

Etc.

Rewards for Damage Done; loser support.

+1 -1 Battle Tier Limit (here for NA it would be by captain rank); beginner support.

Tech Trees (instead of RNG loot); progression continuity.

Solo’s and Causal Gameplay; playerbase reservoir.

 

Probably lots of others fundamentals too.

A relaunch is not impossible! I would love to see this game with 4000 players online.

Relaunch... gtfo. They already wiped the game once after saying they wouldn’t. Doing it again would literally kill the game off. There’s no reason at all to believe that resetting the game would bring any population increase. That ship has sailed.

[Aquillas]

10 minutes ago, Capitalism said:

Relaunch... gtfo. They already wiped the game once after saying they wouldn’t. Doing it again would literally kill the game off. There’s no reason at all to believe that resetting the game would bring any population increase. That ship has sailed.

Wiping everything again is no more possible. But resetting the rules, with other activities than the dead RVR, room for new players, room for independent players (this means reduction of clan power, leaving only the friendly clan list to avoid entrance of alts un port battles), restore of crafting and trading activities, all that is still possible. 

Wipe is unnecessary, but deep changes in game development are necessary. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Capitalism said:

Relaunch... gtfo. They already wiped the game once after saying they wouldn’t. Doing it again would literally kill the game off. There’s no reason at all to believe that resetting the game would bring any population increase. That ship has sailed.

hate to break it to ya but that ship mose well be call the Titanic now, she going down. Relaunch is the only thing that can save it, in a year or two!

Oh and they don't have to wipe the data, they can migrate it (from old structure to new) but Dev's were too lazy to code it for release.

correction, in reality vets kill new players, so to mask this massive flaw in there game they had no choice but to wipe it, thus making everybody a newbie, it didn't work.

 

Edited September 5, 2019 by Guest

[Earl of Grey]

Want to suggest again: 

Let the Kings in Europe (Algorithm with some random Factor) decide about war and peace, about alliances ...

So you have always 2 power blocks fighting against each other. If one nation gets to powerfull it has to fight all others ...

Make wars Last 3-6 weeks (random Elements), then Peace for 1-2 weeks, then new war. This time Limit of a war encourages people to fight, the attacked because he has only limited time to reach his goals, the defender because he only have to defend for some time (against a stronger enemy) and not for ever (i often hear: why we should defend this port, even we defend it now we will loose the next or the following Portbattle).

Peace will give time to Rest, restore ressources and make diplomatic deals (soon after wars end there should be little hints in the game which partys fight the next war: maybe AI ships can sometimes have documents in hold, that give a gibt, f.e. you find a letter from the british war minister in which he gives some orders to the governor of KPR: prepare for war with france ... Something Like that). So diplomats can speculate and dealing about war goals and first military actions in the upcomming next war ...

I think this would have many advantages ... players can build their nations without beeing punished by reduced labour hours or limits in ports or sth. 

Of course the algorithm has to ballance the power blocks not only by Player numbers ... Maybe by pvp-kills per nation or a mix of many factors (ports, players, 1st rate ships ...)

Maybe you can even make pirates a Special nation ... pirates are a third party in war with both power blocks (maybe then they become reduced to Mortimer😀) ... or they can choose they alliance by Poll or sth. 

I think all other proposed solutions (so far i remember) have the Problem that successfull nations want to stay small ... they wont share their portboni, they wont educate new players, they wont help each other in the nation ...

 

 

[Earl of Grey]

5 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

It wont work.

Every nation has its own goals so they will refuse to fight those wars coded by the devs.

Your proposal is against the sandbox experience and the freedom you expect from it.

 

People miss to have tools that enforces their freedom of fighting together.

Yes there will be "sitting wars" where alliances dont work together ("you dont Help me there, so i dont help you there"). But we are discussing because of the Main "Problem" russians overwhelming power ... its at least in every nations interest to defend against a superior Power ... at least in defence they will work together (what they cant now because its Impossible to join other nations PB and because of single clans that dont honor alliances or just make other alliances).

 

[Papillon]

5 hours ago, Intrepido said:

It wont work.

Every nation has its own goals so they will refuse to fight those wars coded by the devs.

Your proposal is against the sandbox experience and the freedom you expect from it.

 

People miss to have tools that enforces their freedom of fighting together.

I have to agree with this unfortunately.  I used to think that RNG forced alliances would be a good idea too, but I also think at this point that the idea would fail simply based on human nature.  Because the devs have morphed this game into a clan-based game, these national alliances would simply devolve into squabbling personalities in most cases, and not provide any solution.  If the devs had created a predominantly nation-based game and scrapped this whole clan-based dominance (I would prefer that), then RNG forced national alliances would then have a good chance of working.  But not as a clan-based game.

[Hethwill, the Red Duke]

20 minutes ago, Papillon said:

If the devs had created a predominantly nation-based game

They did. Was truly nation based, even by belonging to this or that fleet. But human nature... Then the drive for clan wars was deafening and whole heatedly supported by many... and here we are.

I wonder if, instead of having nations, making every single player Neutral and keeping the Clans structure if it would be possible to have Clan vs Clan in earnest. @admin 

( note: i'm a fan of historical setup, but have to ask these things. )

[Serk]

Was out of town for a few days. Was there a population spike around the time the Cartagena PB took place?

Edited September 5, 2019 by Serk

[Hethwill, the Red Duke]

1 minute ago, Serk said:

I’m out of town for a few days. Was there a population spike around the time the Cartagena PB took place?

roughly same numbers at that time. actually less. wednesdays are always the weakest day. always.

[Teutonic]

14 minutes ago, Hethwill said:

roughly same numbers at that time. actually less. wednesdays are always the weakest day. always.

interesting, I always find Tuesday in US tz to be weakest

[Hethwill, the Red Duke]

4 minutes ago, Teutonic said:

interesting, I always find Tuesday in US tz to be weakest

on my EU late hours is wednesday. always was. dunno why.

[Atreides]

I pretty much go full PVP now, unless I am capping ships for PVP or more traders.  Grinding slots is way faster going pew pew at people. eventually my docks are going to full of nothing but super mod stacked ships I've capped off others with AI trash.  It is tough to take ships out to fight that have mods on them worth 5X the ship, and makes combat too easy with all the bonuses.  I understand the Tryhards now, with their Gear based Franken Boats... and I'm a little sad.

[Papillon]

1 hour ago, Hethwill said:

They did. Was truly nation based, even by belonging to this or that fleet. But human nature... Then the drive for clan wars was deafening and whole heatedly supported by many... and here we are.

I wonder if, instead of having nations, making every single player Neutral and keeping the Clans structure if it would be possible to have Clan vs Clan in earnest. @admin 

( note: i'm a fan of historical setup, but have to ask these things. )

I was around at EA release, and yes back then it was mostly nation based, but like I said it was slowly morphed and now it's mostly clan-based.  I think it's unfortunate it's not wholely one or the other, because (at least IMHO) it's not working as half-way in between.  If it were completely nation based then forced alliances would be more likely to succeed.  Ship has sailed though, as the saying goes.

Edited September 5, 2019 by Papillon
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[Guest]

25% drop in average players since the beginning of August. Seems like there is a real hello kittying problem.

[Atreides]

Please have a look at this, could be just thing for the casuals and pubbies to come back to the game, and maybe help catch their interest in the other aspect of the game.  Having low loss high fun PVP could be the gateway for referral sales and help to grow our population.

 

[Captain2Strong]

On 8/29/2019 at 4:49 AM, Ed Rose said:

Low population so soon after release, is it time to worry?

yes... it took you quite a bit of time to realise about that...

anyway, as soon as I lose my shipyard, I will change my nation to Russia and consider myself as a winner of some sort!!!

Edited September 5, 2019 by Captain2Strong

[AeRoTR]

4 hours ago, Flinch said:

25% drop in average players since the beginning of August. Seems like there is a real hello kittying problem.

Which was told it would happen, hundreds of times before release, hello kittyyyyy !

[Captain2Strong]

On 8/29/2019 at 12:47 PM, Ed Rose said:

The fun is finding a way to do that yes! it can be done, you guys just need get organised... its a problem that needs solving...GB's problem is that it dosent have anyone willing to solve the problem! IMO 

why solve the problem when all nations that get farmed can go shitpost instead???