Alts exploiting frontline system again

[OjK]

So, here we are.
Launched. With the system everybody knew was broken and not really working.

Down south on the map, there is a KURUC clan who ended up having 3 Dutch ports.
Quite quickly it was found out, that they were just a clan of either Russian alts or puppets, who opened the ports for Russians having easier access to hunt on Dutch waters.

And I wouldn't mind it, if there would be ANY way to fix it now. But due to frontlines system, we can't strike a deal with different nation (or use our own alts) to fix that problem.

If same problem emerge again, for any other reason - how the nation can solve problems like this with Frontline system?

 

When will we get some fixes to this again broken system?
There were quite a few nice ideas already. None of them reached the "launched" game.

Edited July 3, 2019 by OjK

[Guest]

It is trash. This isnt the first instance of alt clans being used to set up bases in a nation's waters. (VCO and the magic clan.)

The only mechanism to contest this is to get a 3rd party nation to flip the ports away from the alt clan so that they can be eventually flipped back to legitimate clans.

[Gregory Rainsborough]

 I think they're not Russians alts as they're Hungarian.

Really they're just complete arsehole, nothing more.

Edited July 3, 2019 by Gregory Rainsborough

[OjK]

Just now, Flinch said:

The only mechanism to contest this is to get a 3rd party nation to flip the ports away from the alt clan so that they can be eventually flipped back to legitimate clans.

If it would be that easy.

Due to Frontline system, none of those ports can be attacked at the moment.

[Teutonic]

Just now, Flinch said:

It is trash. This isnt the first instance of alt clans being used to set up bases in a nation's waters. (VCO and the magic clan.)

The only mechanism to contest this is to get a 3rd party nation to flip the ports away from the alt clan so that they can be eventually flipped back to legitimate clans.

yep.

barter a contract with another 3rd party nation to help you.

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, OjK said:

So, here we are.
Launched. With the system everybody knew was broken and not really working.

Down south on the map, there is a KURUC clan who ended up having 3 Dutch ports.
Quite quickly it was found out, that they were just a clan of Russian alts, who opened the ports for Russians having easier access to hunt on Dutch waters.

And I wouldn't mind it, if there would be ANY way to fix it now. But due to frontlines system, we can't strike a deal with different nation (or use our own alts) to fix that problem.

 

When will we get some fixes to this again broken system?
There were quite a few nice ideas already. None of them reached the "launched" game.

Thats not a frontline problem.  You can do it also without frontline system.  Thats an alt problem 

[OjK]

4 minutes ago, El Patron said:

Thats not a frontline problem. 

If not the Frontline system, we could pay other nation to capture it.

But noone can attack any of those ports - because of Frontlines.

[John Parker]

Many reason to put a port neutral , but a good solution would be if a clan makes a port Neutral then the daily maintenance goes up X %.   

[Guest]

41 minutes ago, OjK said:

If not the Frontline system, we could pay other nation to capture it.

But noone can attack any of those ports - because of Frontlines.

Thats tue 

[van der Clam]

1 hour ago, OjK said:

So, here we are.
Launched. With the system everybody knew was broken and not really working.

Down south on the map, there is a KURUC clan who ended up having 3 Dutch ports.
Quite quickly it was found out, that they were just a clan of Russian alts, who opened the ports for Russians having easier access to hunt on Dutch waters.

And I wouldn't mind it, if there would be ANY way to fix it now. But due to frontlines system, we can't strike a deal with different nation (or use our own alts) to fix that problem.

 

When will we get some fixes to this again broken system?
There were quite a few nice ideas already. None of them reached the "launched" game.

Set up a blockade of those ports and prevent them from exiting there?

[OjK]

27 minutes ago, Koveras said:

U can take missions on the region from the closest free town. That's Guyaguyaya. Try to be more on point when it comes to the mechanics, if u haven't payed someone for flipping the port, then it's more likely that you're just too poor to do so.. #getthatpleboutofhere!

How about if those ports are not County Capital, smartass?

[John Parker]

Either way , drama is what games are

Edited July 3, 2019 by John Parker

[Slim McSauce]

1 hour ago, rediii said:

@admin pb's inside a nation needed

This right here is what is needed. Give players the ability to police themselves and combat the alt-menace.
The sandbox requires it.

 

Edited July 3, 2019 by Slim McSauce

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Slim McSauce said:

This right here is what is needed. Give players the ability to police themselves and combat the alt-menace.
The sandbox requires it.

 

God can you imagine a russian civil war between BF and Reds over Vera Cruz? That would be so much awesome content.

[OjK]

3 minutes ago, Flinch said:

God can you imagine a russian civil war between BF and Reds over Vera Cruz? That would be so much awesome content.

And without visible names, You want to help one of the fleets, but they are all named "Enemy Player"!

[John Parker]

10 minutes ago, Slim McSauce said:

This right here is what is needed. Give players the ability to police themselves and combat the alt-menace.
The sandbox requires it.

 

Yes this would be nice

[Severus Snape]

1 hour ago, Flinch said:

It is trash. This isnt the first instance of alt clans being used to set up bases in a nation's waters. (VCO and the magic clan.)

Except that particular port is not open to all and MAGIC is assisting the nation.  #fakenews

[Hethwill, the Red Duke]

Easiest fix of all - remove possibility of Open to All status from port ownership options.

 

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, Severus Snape said:

Except that particular port is not open to all and MAGIC is assisting the nation.  #fakenews

You are fake news. It was taken to prevent an allied nation from moving in which would threaten VCO's holdings an Ismoralda. Keeping it not freeported IS the goal.

[Severus Snape]

3 minutes ago, Flinch said:

You are fake news. It was taken to prevent an allied nation from moving in which would threaten VCO's holdings an Ismoralda. Keeping it not freeported IS the goal.

An allied nation that doesn't exist anymore and would only be able to access the port if made open to all - thus making the US coastline less secure.  MAGIC's priority first and foremost is US security, not convenient hunting spots for the rest of the game.  A neutral or open to all port is not in the interest of the US.

4 minutes ago, Hethwill said:

Easiest fix of all - remove possibility of Open to All status from port ownership options.

 

Not a terrible idea - I'd like a "selective" available to all where you can allow only certain nations.  Ideally only allowing certain clans access would be best, but improbable.

Edited July 3, 2019 by Severus Snape

[Hethwill, the Red Duke]

Solomon's Law works best in this case. There's no room for oddities. Take port for nation, port is for nation AND ruled by that clan.

 

[Capitalism]

The concept of “Nations” in this game is simply broken. They should be nothing more than colors on a map with full, clan-based granularity to what constitutes “friendly” or allied vs. “enemy.”

[John Parker]

yes with our numbers tbh , a Nation is nothing more than a Clan

[StaleMemes]

Reason #975482.5 why clan based RVR would be better than nation based RVR.

[Vizzini]

23 minutes ago, Liberalism said:

I have a Hungarian clan member and he mentioned to me that KURUC are Hungarian players.

yes Kuruc is a well known name / word in Hungary. having lived just across the border in Slovakia for a while I came to know many. Not all bad as the media portrays

However in this case, they are not working in the nations interest and the nation has no recourse to deal with them.  #clanwars

make pirate have outlaw battles and leave the nations as they are. the Pirates of any clan could be hired by a Nation to deal with these types of scenarios , that we all knew would happen

 

On another note , allowing any clan who cannot look after their own ports, any national benefits whatsoever is a bad thing. If your clan cannot bring 10+ players to help then you shouldnt have a seat at the council table.

 

just thinking out loud