PVE rewards

[Angus MacDuff]

As the population dropped to nothing last night, I decided to do some PVE and clear some of the missions that I hadn't been bothered with.  I came out in my Aga and tagged a fleet of 3 5th rates.  After the battle, I was shocked at how low the XP reward was.  Yes, my ship was individually stronger, but they easily outnumbered me in total BR.  Admin, I think you have lowered the XP rewards too far in PVE battles.  I was happy to hear that PVP rewards would be higher than PVE and that is as it should be, but many (most?) players will be grinding rank and slots against AI as well.  The mission system alone demands this.  With the extra ranks and XP demands, these extremely low XP rewards are a definite cause for server-wide unhappiness.  What I would have liked to have seen was that the PVE rewards stayed the same as before and the PVP rewards were buffed somewhat above that.  There is really no need to make the climb to high rank overly long.  The players who have a lot of time to invest in the game will still rank up more quickly than the more casual players.  Lets not have that gap overly extended.

[redbear]

dont make easy make it something that you have to earn i dont mind the low xp 

[van Veen]

I noticed that, too. XP vs PVE is now abysmal. You need to take on higher BR ships only. Anything else is just a waste of time. 

Introduction of more ranks means more grinding. Reduction of XP for lower BR means even more grinding per XP. This is insane.

How is this supposed to be achievable within a month at 2 hours per what? Per week? LOL

[Zlatkowar]

1 hour ago, Angus MacDuff said:

As the population dropped to nothing last night, I decided to do some PVE and clear some of the missions that I hadn't been bothered with.  I came out in my Aga and tagged a fleet of 3 5th rates.  After the battle, I was shocked at how low the XP reward was.  Yes, my ship was individually stronger, but they easily outnumbered me in total BR.  Admin, I think you have lowered the XP rewards too far in PVE battles.  I was happy to hear that PVP rewards would be higher than PVE and that is as it should be, but many (most?) players will be grinding rank and slots against AI as well.  The mission system alone demands this.  With the extra ranks and XP demands, these extremely low XP rewards are a definite cause for server-wide unhappiness.  What I would have liked to have seen was that the PVE rewards stayed the same as before and the PVP rewards were buffed somewhat above that.  There is really no need to make the climb to high rank overly long.  The players who have a lot of time to invest in the game will still rank up more quickly than the more casual players.  Lets not have that gap overly extended.

Fully agree. While I was happy to hear that rewards would be "fixed", this was a step in the wrong direction. Again, forcing people in a hardcore mode, rather than letting them choose whether they'd engage ships one rate higher, same rate, or lower rate is bad. Poor logic, as always.

[Archaos]

The changes they have made to the rewards are all based on a 1v1 scenario as far as I can see and not the total BR you are facing. So if in a 4th rate you tag and fight 10 5th rates it treats it as if it were 10 individual battles and does not recognize the additional difficulty of facing multiple targets at the same time, especially considering how the AI will snipe your stern from range with precision accuracy taking out structure and crew.

I personally prefer to battle against superior numbers of AI when doing PvE as it introduces some risk and if you are not careful you will lose your ship, but you do not get additional rewards for the greater risk.

[Ahoy H.R. Matey]

I'm seeing a certain pattern here.

[Teutonic]

has anyone tried group missions with the new XP/real rewards?

those missions usually have you fighting the same, if not, more difficult ships and it could be an interesting thing to try. Everyone complaining here seems to be killing ships or fleets solo... more people means you can fight larger or more difficult fleets. Could be something to look into.

Edited June 4, 2019 by Teutonic

[Teutonic]

3 minutes ago, Wraith said:

And split the rewards? There's no getting around the fact that the XP/Real grind under current rewards is abysmal, compared to the relative ease of taking solo missions and hunting generally more manageable AI that we had in the past.

It's a real disappointment.

I only really saw a drop in XP and not much change in the Real rewards. So for me the change isn't better than what we had.

I tend to go for similar size fleets with what I am sailing though - I also don't see much of a reason to grind my heart to death for the next level.

[Sir Texas Sir]

As Wraith stater split rewards always suck as you share with others. I noticed brigs killed with a H rattler only gives me like 30-40xp when it use to give me close to 100+.  They are same tier (6th) ships and that is going to take for ever to open slots and level up.  

2 hours ago, van Veen said:

I noticed that, too. XP vs PVE is now abysmal. You need to take on higher BR ships only. Anything else is just a waste of time. 

Introduction of more ranks means more grinding. Reduction of XP for lower BR means even more grinding per XP. This is insane.

How is this supposed to be achievable within a month at 2 hours per what? Per week? LOL

With buff AI for none shallow ships it's almost suicidal for the average player to take on a higher tier ship.  I get they want us to take our time, but really I'm not wanting to spend a year to rank up again in this game.   I already ranked up 5 times....honestly I'm not even going to play my alts after release to much grind and time. Wasted money I put into a game we where suppose to keep our ranks.

[Teutonic]

Just now, Wraith said:

The reason is simple: under the new combat model the bigger ship, heavier guns wins.  If you're not sailing at least 3rd rates you'll basically be food for people who are, not to mention that you won't be winning any 20k BR port battles any time soon unless you can fill them.  

And without those victory marks and combat medals you can forget about port bonuses, and without those... well, just ask how the US feels about that.

I've seen screenshots of players beating larger ships. Sure, the easy win is  "bigger = better" but lets not narrow ourselves to only that thought, it's not a fact - it's just skewed to favor bigger, and that's honestly fine. 

I'm not sailing 3rds constantly because I have no need to do so. but I'll surely sail them when I am asked. for everything else you can always go to the shallows and not have to deal with lineship shenanigans.

and thankfully we have nations with multiple players that all help each other to get investments and port bonuses - I'm glad to be with a group that forges good relationships instead of tearing them down.

[Teutonic]

29 minutes ago, Wraith said:

It's easy to be friends with everyone when your nation is empty and all you do is PvE. 🙄

you must not be looking hard enough - but I understand, some people only see the Florida coast as the whole map and it can be scary when sailing in uncharted waters.

[Severus Snape]

Technically Saint Mary's is in Georgia.

[Teutonic]

5 minutes ago, Wraith said:

Hey, I'm not knocking your little band of players who grind up doubloons and PvP gank to get combat medals in order to pay for your access to another clan's port bonuses.. that's fine. But you can't honestly say there's regular PvP to be had anywhere near the Antilles in U.S. time zones...

it's always interesting to see what definition a gank is on different days, what is the definition for it today? 

It's also interesting to see what goes on in other nations, so you have other clans pay you for your port bonuses on a regular basis? that is quite the revelation. 

before the wipe/release was announced, we pretty much fought a couple poles and french players every other night in the US tz - or do we call them ganks?

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anyway - PvE rewards are low, they should be changed again.

[Teutonic]

3 minutes ago, Wraith said:

I call any time players join an already lopsided PvP zone battle a gank.. which I've seen BORK players do multiple times... There's nothing wrong with it, it's gank-or-be-ganked, but don't pretend it's anything else.

And call it what you will, but putting a clan on a friendly list, giving them access to port bonuses for their ship yards, in exchange for them contributing doubloons and marks for port upgrades is only fair, right?  Are you saying you don't do that?  It sounds like you might then be freeloading on your nation's betters then or perhaps just don't have access to port bonus ships.. which come to think of it might explain why you have to gank to be successful at PvP?

Ask any of the major Swedish clan if you want, I think you'll be surprised at what nation cooperation achieves. 

I guess you like being blind to screenshots of times when BORK is outnumbered and still wins too, but then that would ruin the narrative I suppose. To each their own. As you said, there's nothing wrong with it, everyone does it. 

[Reginulfr]

5 hours ago, Angus MacDuff said:

As the population dropped to nothing last night, I decided to do some PVE and clear some of the missions that I hadn't been bothered with.  I came out in my Aga and tagged a fleet of 3 5th rates.  After the battle, I was shocked at how low the XP reward was.  Yes, my ship was individually stronger, but they easily outnumbered me in total BR.  Admin, I think you have lowered the XP rewards too far in PVE battles.  I was happy to hear that PVP rewards would be higher than PVE and that is as it should be, but many (most?) players will be grinding rank and slots against AI as well.  The mission system alone demands this.  With the extra ranks and XP demands, these extremely low XP rewards are a definite cause for server-wide unhappiness.  What I would have liked to have seen was that the PVE rewards stayed the same as before and the PVP rewards were buffed somewhat above that.  There is really no need to make the climb to high rank overly long.  The players who have a lot of time to invest in the game will still rank up more quickly than the more casual players.  Lets not have that gap overly extended.

I agree, I much the same after the patch came out for the XP balance.  

The way they had it before where the XP was more strictly linked to the damage you did worked, because that naturally made a had limit on the amount of xp you could get from a 5th rate vs a 3rd date, but that being said if you chose to hit 5x 5th rates, you woudl get a decent return on your grind (and some fun with it).

I think thye have gone too far with nerfing the xp from lower BR ships, it really limits the options of grinding.  Basically only hitting equivalent rates and above is worht the time, but with the way the AI is now with their buffs and the firing arc, it becomes an unnecessary risk.  

I dont know how admin calculated 2 hours a day to get to full rank in a month, i was playing about that the last few weeks and barely went up one rank.  But most frustrating for me (pure Pve player currently) is that I'm limited in my options and its become less fun.  I loves hitting 3-5 fleets of 5th rates with my 4th rates, or a fleet of 4ths with my christian, just cause its fun.  I hit a 12 fleet with a christian theother day, and i got 600xp...  

I can understand their intetion to give you better rewards for higher rates, but they dont need to apply as aggressive a drop off for lower rated ships.  Ultimately, on pve you just want to be able to get into bigger ships so you can grind rewards out.  I imagine even on the PVP server on a small night, you want to still have a good opportunity to improve your rank.  

 

[Angus MacDuff]

Yes, I've seen players in large ships waiting for and hitting large fleets of smaller AI.  Tried it myself a couple of times and enjoyed the chaos of a constant rain of cannon balls.  It's really no longer worth it, for the XP value.  Hope they put it back to what it was.  They should still make PVP more rewarding, of course.

[Potemkin]

16 minutes ago, Teutonic said:

Ask any of the major Swedish clan if you want, I think you'll be surprised at what nation cooperation achieves. 

I guess you like being blind to screenshots of times when BORK is outnumbered and still wins too, but then that would ruin the narrative I suppose. To each their own. As you said, there's nothing wrong with it, everyone does it. 

You've gotta understand, they've still got swollen chuds from winning their first pb in what? A year or two?...against someone not the US. If you wanna have a good laugh take a look at the pb lineup they faced, apparently while sailing their spiffy new port bonus ships

Edited June 4, 2019 by Potemkin

[Sir Texas Sir]

34 minutes ago, Angus MacDuff said:

Yes, I've seen players in large ships waiting for and hitting large fleets of smaller AI.  Tried it myself a couple of times and enjoyed the chaos of a constant rain of cannon balls.  It's really no longer worth it, for the XP value.  Hope they put it back to what it was.  They should still make PVP more rewarding, of course.

PvP is only x2 the rewards so it's not really going to be that much.  It's been that way for a while.  I remember my first PvP fight on my second char I tagged a GB Bucc (the old teak/crew/speed we got free) with my Spanish char in a rattler (the normal).  I keep him tagged in and shot his sails until some rats caught up with him.  The fight got me a level and half from the xp back than.  It seems rewards are still lacking these days as you wouldn't get anything close to what you use to get in PvP.

[Botq]

I want this game suceed, i really want, but its funny how we have such changes like week before release

[Potemkin]

25 minutes ago, Wraith said:

Try harder bud. 

Try? You guys make it too easy

[Latron]

2 hours ago, Wraith said:

Hey, I'm not knocking your little band of players who grind up doubloons and PvP gank to get combat medals in order to pay for your access to another clan's port bonuses.. that's fine. But you can't honestly say there's regular PvP to be had anywhere near the Antilles in U.S. time zones...

Don't talk shit if you can't take a hit 😘

[Barbancourt]

3 hours ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

As Wraith stater split rewards always suck as you share with others.

I'm not here primarily for the XP grind.   Being able to sail and battle in a fleet is a reward of its own. 

 

[Barbancourt]

17 minutes ago, o7Captain said:

I want this game suceed, i really want, but its funny how we have such changes like week before release

for years it's been more of the same  😕