New capturable counties

[Citoyen]

For 3 "historic" nations (US, GB and FR) the non-capturable county close to the Capital is completely useless since nothing can be invested in it.

It is therefore suggested that the counties of St Lucie, Cornwall and North Carolina are now capturable.

Edited May 28, 2019 by CITOYEN

[Suricato Rojo]

...and give back Mantua to Spain.

[Isaac J Smith]

30 minutes ago, Suricato Rojo said:

...and give back Mantua to Spain.

Why? No county capital/capital has more than 4 ports in it's county. Mantua is no closer to La Habana than La Navasse is to KPR, or Savannah is to Charleston. Even worse is Aves to Fort Royal (as they can't cap it to stop people going there). Maybe you should focus more on capturing South Cuba, and less on Florida if you want it.

[Suricato Rojo]

Make 2 non-capturable counties for Spain then.
England has 7 no-capturable ports in 2 counties.
USA has 8 in 2 counties.
France has 7 in 2 counties.
Spain has 5 in 1 county.... which has no reason from a historical pow.

[Citoyen]

52 minutes ago, Suricato Rojo said:

Make 2 non-capturable counties for Spain then.
England has 7 no-capturable ports in 2 counties.
USA has 8 in 2 counties.
France has 7 in 2 counties.
Spain has 5 in 1 county.... which has no reason from a historical pow.

precisely my proposal is to make the additional county of US, GB, FR capturable....

 

[Sento de Benimaclet]

5 hours ago, Isaac J Smith said:

Why?

And why does USA have 8 unconquerable ports, France 7, GB 7 and Spain have left us only 5? Does it seem fair to you when more than 80% of the map was Spanish? And why did Mantua take us from one day to the next? The least they should have done is to leave unconquerable from Mantua to Cayo Romano. That less than that !!!!

Edited May 28, 2019 by Sento de Benimaclet

[Citoyen]

8 minutes ago, Sento de Benimaclet said:

And why does USA have 8 unconquerable ports, France 7 and GB 6 and Spain have left us only 5? Does it seem fair to you when more than 80% of the map was Spanish? And why did Mantua take us from one day to the next? The least they should have done is to leave unconquerable from Mantua to Cayo Romano. That less than that !!!!

this topic is about a proposal to make some US, GB and FR counties capturable.... if you find it unfair that Mantua is capturable ... create your own topic please ... "gracias"

[Angus MacDuff]

1 minute ago, CITOYEN said:

this topic is about a proposal to make some US, GB and FR counties capturable.... if you find it unfair that Mantua is capturable ... create your own topic please ... "gracias"

Bring the topic to it's logical conclusion.  There is no point in uncapturable ports now.  Maybe just the capitol?

[Teutonic]

3 minutes ago, Angus MacDuff said:

Bring the topic to it's logical conclusion.  There is no point in uncapturable ports now.  Maybe just the capitol?

Playing a nation that was reduced to it's capital port as the only capital was pretty bad. I don't wish to go back to that at all.

We already have issues with certain groups never surrendering, and other groups never creating treaties after a war when it should probably be in the interest of both to relax. hatred and salt just keep rising when more level heads could easily solve problems.

 

[Angus MacDuff]

17 minutes ago, Teutonic said:

Playing a nation that was reduced to it's capital port as the only capital was pretty bad. I don't wish to go back to that at all.

We already have issues with certain groups never surrendering, and other groups never creating treaties after a war when it should probably be in the interest of both to relax. hatred and salt just keep rising when more level heads could easily solve problems.

 

A fair argument.  So how about all nations have 3 uncapturable ports? 

[Gregory Rainsborough]

Mantua should become part of Spain's home ports that cannot be capped.

[Barents]

5 hours ago, Isaac J Smith said:

Why? No county capital/capital has more than 4 ports in it's county.

check again...

[Sento de Benimaclet]

1 hour ago, CITOYEN said:

 ... create your own topic please …

I have responded to Mr. Isaac J Smith as to why Mantua should be returned to Spain. And if the debate continues, I will continue to answer him in "your" topic.

1 hour ago, CITOYEN said:

"gracias"

"De rien". C'est un plaisir. 😉

[captain smile]

Guys its not about Mantua xD

[Sang Noir]

6 hours ago, Teutonic said:

Playing a nation that was reduced to it's capital port as the only capital was pretty bad.

With port bonuses and woods it's even worse now. Non-capturable ports will not secure a comeback as they are of no benefit if you can't craft competitive PB ships with them.

[Potemkin]

13 hours ago, Sento de Benimaclet said:

And why does USA have 8 unconquerable ports, France 7, GB 7 and Spain have left us only 5? Does it seem fair to you when more than 80% of the map was Spanish? And why did Mantua take us from one day to the next? The least they should have done is to leave unconquerable from Mantua to Cayo Romano. That less than that !!!!

The spirit of Mantua!!!

[Isaac J Smith]

15 hours ago, Barents said:

check again...

Perhaps give a source then? Name me one?

[Barents]

20 minutes ago, Isaac J Smith said:

Perhaps give a source then? Name me one?

George Town / Caymans

5 ports + County Capital

[van Veen]

4 hours ago, Isaac J Smith said:

Perhaps give a source then? Name me one?

Seriously? https://na-map.netlify.com/

Salamanca: 6 + capital

All counties in the gulf region, apart from Nouvelle-Orléans and San Marcos have 5 ports + capital. That's 7 counties. Plus, for example: Black River, Cumaná, Portobelo, Matina, Puerto Plata, ...

 

[Citoyen]

he thinks, I suppose, ports associated with national capitals like KPR (3 ports), Fort-royal (3 ports), willemstad (3 ports), Mortimer (3 ports), Charleston (3 ports) and....La Habana (4 ports)

[Isaac J Smith]

23 hours ago, Barents said:

George Town / Caymans

5 ports + County Capital

 

19 hours ago, van Veen said:

Seriously? https://na-map.netlify.com/

Salamanca: 6 + capital

All counties in the gulf region, apart from Nouvelle-Orléans and San Marcos have 5 ports + capital. That's 7 counties. Plus, for example: Black River, Cumaná, Portobelo, Matina, Puerto Plata, ...

 

I gotta be honest, I only looked at capital regions (i mentioned county capital/capital meaning the county capital which is the capital of the nation, not county capital, as they are the unconquerable capital county region as is being asked for Mantua) so apologies on my part for my laziness in explaining. I can understand how the mixup happened as "/" is typically used as "or". My apologies for any confusion. I could go back and edit it to make it clearer, but will leave it for people to understand context for the chain here.

Nice to know there are a bunch of regions with heaps of ports though 

 

IF THINGS REMAIN AS IS - I will withdraw my questioning and agree with the above people asking for it to return. Mantua should go back to the Spanish ONLY if things remain as they are in regards to the secondary unconquerable territories. This would place them on a more level footing for unconquerable ports with the other historical major powers in the map areas (GB, US, France).

GB  6 + capital

US 7 + capital

France 6 + capital

Spain 5 + Capital (With Mantua)

Pirates 3 + Capital

Danes 1 + Capital

Swedes 1 + Capital

Dutch 3 + Capital

 

However, do keep in mind the OP was asking to make the additional non-capital counties capturable. This would make Spain the leader even without Mantua, and again would be grounds to NOT return Mantua to Spain IMO.

GB 3 + Capital

US 3 + Capital

France 2 + Capital

Spain 4 + Capital (Without Mantua)

Pirates 3 + Capital

Danes 1 + Capital

Swedes 1 + Capital

Dutch 3 + Capital

 

18 hours ago, CITOYEN said:

he thinks, I suppose, ports associated with national capitals like KPR (3 ports), Fort-royal (3 ports), willemstad (3 ports), Mortimer (3 ports), Charleston (3 ports) and....La Habana (4 ports)

Yeah that. I messed up in my explaining up top . You were asking for the other ports to be made conquerable, and they were asking for Mantua as well ("and" in the 2nd post), hence why I responded to that one.

 

Sorry for derailing your thread. I will say I think it is a decent proposal which should be considered by the dev team as it puts nearly all nations on a level footing; however, with the recent release announcement I don't see them doing anything this drastic. But who knows at this point with this dev team now.

 

EDIT: For context, I used to play in 2016/17 when only the capital was safe and Pirates owned Morant and Carlisle. Some of the most fun I had, with PvP being right on your doorstep

Edited May 30, 2019 by Isaac J Smith