Alliances discussion + Poll

[van der Clam]

Oh and Outlaw battles for Pirates should come back, as long as every nation can join any side they choose in the rat vs rat battles.

[Gregory Rainsborough]

8 minutes ago, Hawkwood said:

But Greg, where is the difference? On one side we have already Spain/Russia/Prussia ,on the other side GB, and Sweden/Denmark/Dutch( what´s left of them)? If clans from different nations can ally and those can use each others ports, i see only benefits. The only thing that bothers you? is the open world PVP i guess(forgive my assumption).

Anyone can buy forged papers DLC and switch nations if he wants, being unhappy with an alliance. so i don´t know why are so many resentfull.

Seem to me there are so many here, having a trauma from old alliance system, was that feature so bad?

What will happen is that there will be an influx of experienced players from those coalition nations to ones like pirates, it'll have the opposite of its intended effect.

Experienced players usually go to small nations because then they have more targets, more PvP, more content.

[Grundal]

I like the forced alliances.  They should be dynamic and change over time.  Admin forced story line that changes over time.

[Wilhelm von Seydlitz]

17 minutes ago, Hawkwood said:

But Greg, where is the difference? On one side we have already Spain/Russia/Prussia ,on the other side GB, and Sweden/Denmark/Dutch( what´s left of them)? If clans from different nations can ally and those can use each others ports, i see only benefits. The only thing that bothers you? is the open world PVP i guess(forgive my assumption).

Anyone can buy forged papers DLC and switch nations if he wants, being unhappy with an alliance. so i don´t know why are so many resentfull.

Seem to me there are so many here, having a trauma from old alliance system, was that feature so bad?

But these "alliances" are dynamic, and can change again, i think this make a sandbox game.

I have vote for  "Keep 11 enemy nations at war with each other" 

 

 

[Capitalism]

16 minutes ago, van der Decken said:

Oh and Outlaw battles for Pirates should come back, as long as every nation can join any side they choose in the rat vs rat battles.

Outlaw battles should be there for every nation.  

[Yehoodi]

5 hours ago, admin said:

 

no
if alliances come back they will be forced by the game

reason is simple: previous alliances system broke down because humans tend to ally with the strongest which will cause top 3 nations in power to ally and create the unbreakable status quo. 

At the same time though players/clans could hop nations to the strongest one.   For example, if USA/Spanish/French becomes the strongest, then players and clans from the then weaker alliances can hop to the USA/Spanish/French alliance.  

[Hawkwood]

12 minutes ago, Wilhelm von Seydlitz said:

But these "alliances" are dynamic, and can change again, i think this make a sandbox game.

I have vote for  "Keep 11 enemy nations at war with each other" 

 

 

" Proposed coalitions will have separate starting capitals but will act as allies allowing clan alliances between nations and port usage rights ."

Guess you didn´t read the whole suggestion.

Besides, Spain will never ally with GB, or Sweden will never ally with France, so what´s the problem?

Edited May 3, 2019 by Hawkwood

[Salty Sails]

5 minutes ago, Hawkwood said:

" Proposed coalitions will have separate starting capitals but will act as allies allowing clan alliances between nations and port usage rights ."

Guess you didn´t read the whole suggestion.

Besides, Spain will never ally with GB, or Sweden will never ally with France, so what´s the problem?

The problem is, its called a War Server, not carebear alliance Server.

[Hawkwood]

1 minute ago, Salty Sails said:

The problem is, its called a War Server, not carebear alliance Server.

I don´t know what are you talking about.

[Salty Sails]

11 Nations in a war with each other.

[Severus Snape]

We already have alliances in game.  Might as well make them official and allow greater participation and resource sharing to include more folks.  

I only see 2 fixes for our current game.  Shift to limited amount of nations and strictly clan based RVR or the purposed alliances changes.  

[Severus Snape]

6 minutes ago, Salty Sails said:

The problem is, its called a War Server, not carebear alliance Server.

But we already have alliances... and it’s been that way for years.  Why not make some of them official and allow more folks to get involved.  

More activity for everyone = healthier server

[Salty Sails]

3 minutes ago, Severus Snape said:

But we already have alliances... and it’s been that way for years.  Why not make some of them official and allow more folks to get involved.  

More activity for everyone = healthier server

Because its hard enough to find enemies in open world, if you are in an alliance, its much more harder to find them, because you cant attack allies?!

Another example: you are playing in french nation, you a sourrounded by enemies, dutch, sverige and denmark, and your allies usa and spain are too lazy to come and help. thats a fact.

[Angus MacDuff]

I'm liking this concept less and less as I think about it.  With Prussia and Russia as permanent allies, and not giving them capitols as a start point, it makes a complete mockery of any Front Lines system.  They can spread over the map with no controls.

[Archipel]

Guys, majority still prefers no changes

[Salty Sails]

2 minutes ago, Archipel said:

Guys, majority still prefers no changes

wow 8 votes difference.

[Angus MacDuff]

Devs need a middle ground

 

[Botq]

20 minutes ago, Archipel said:

Guys, majority still prefers no changes

Majority of NA playerbase never visit forum  

[VirtuallyIdiotic]

Still have scars from last alliance system. Needs to be better and more flexible if one is even considered to be introduced.

[Archipel]

34 minutes ago, o7Captain said:

Majority of NA playerbase never visit forum  

True. But it can be considered a good sample.

Nevertheless, other things are much more important imho: increase player base, more content, curb toxicity for exemple.

[Sir Texas Sir]

30 minutes ago, Salty Sails said:

Because its hard enough to find enemies in open world, if you are in an alliance, its much more harder to find them, because you cant attack allies?!

Another example: you are playing in french nation, you a sourrounded by enemies, dutch, sverige and denmark, and your allies usa and spain are too lazy to come and help. thats a fact.

Without them french is pretty much screwed any way so what would be the difference?  That maybe if you didn't piss off your allies they will come help you?  

[Wilhelm von Seydlitz]

58 minutes ago, Hawkwood said:

" Proposed coalitions will have separate starting capitals but will act as allies allowing clan alliances between nations and port usage rights ."

Guess you didn´t read the whole suggestion.

Besides, Spain will never ally with GB, or Sweden will never ally with France, so what´s the problem?

We already have alliances and these are made by the players and result from the current situation

I think that's good (my opinion)

[Audacious]

If the population grows large you can introduce vote/pay system - remove alliance rule for one round.

Steps:

1. Nations vote

- nations vote to remove the alliance rule before map reset. If sucsessful move to N2.

2. Pay the bill (fill the required amount by donations with ingame silver)

- anyone can donate, fill bank before the timer runs out and get all out war for one round. If bank is not filled in time everyone is refunded. 

 

Simple. Everyone is happy. 

Edited May 3, 2019 by Audacious

[Citoyen]

During the American War of Independence and from 1795 to 1813 Dutch was allied with France if « based on historical agreements during napoleonic wars »

[Vinnie]

1 minute ago, CITOYEN said:

During the American War of Independence and from 1795 to 1813 Dutch was allied with France if « based on historical agreements during napoleonic wars »

And the US.  Read Tuchman's "The First Salute", on the Dutch contribution to the Revolution.  They were the first to salute our flag (hence the title).  Their support for us cost them many of their possessions in the New World (snaffled by the Brits).