STOP Tolerating the Cheating

[Bull Hull]

We the Players, as in ALL of the players and not only the players for whom the developers are obviously showing a bias, should be able to trust that the developers will always be fair and impartial regarding how they treat ALL players and ALL nations.  But by tolerating the cheating by Pirate and French players happening at this moment on the PvP server the developers are clearly showing either a prejudice against the players in the US nation or a bias for the Pirates and the French who cheated to take and are now keeping ports that should have been impossible for them to take (e.g Saint Mary's and San Mateo).  Consequently, We the Players who are not benefitting from the way the developers are tolerating that cheating have ZERO reason to trust the developers to be fair and impartial with how they treat all players and all nations.  Are the developers tolerating the cheating by Pirate and French players because they are playing Pirate and French characters who are currently occupying those ports?  Do they have friends who are playing Pirate and French who are currently occupying those ports?  Are they indifferent to cheating?  Or are they simply prejudiced against the players (except the alts) in the US nation?  Regardless of the reason for the developers to tolerate this blatant cheating the developers do not deserve a shred of trust from us as long as they tolerate cheating.

Those players are lucky I'm not on the development team.  First, I would thank them and reward them for exposing the flaw in the mechanics.  That is the whole point of testing.  So, Bravo Zulu to the players who discovered and exposed the flaw in the system.  Then for USING the flaw to cheat by taking ports that should be impossible for them to take I would take back the ports by switching them to neutral and I would delete all ships, resources, and structures in the ports they cheated to keep.  Yep, I have no patience and no respect for cheaters, and none for those who tolerate (and who will now try to defend) the cheating.

[Vernon Merrill]

See, here's the deal.... 

People agreed with you guys the FIRST 38 times you posted about the same thing.   There was in fact some sympathy.

Now its just getting annoying.  

Lets see what the devs decide to do....  shall we?

[Hammy]

Maybe the 40th post about it might get the reaction your looking for

 

[Capitalism]

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[Beeekonda]

41 minutes ago, Bull Hull said:

 by tolerating the cheating by Pirate and French players happening at this moment on the PvP server the developers are clearly showing either a prejudice against the players in the US nation or a bias for the Pirates and the French who cheated to take and are now keeping ports that should have been impossible for them to take (e.g Saint Mary's and San Mateo). 

Isn't accusations of cheating without proofs and elsewhere but tribunal is a forum violation?

Mods?

[Potemkin]

Well at least its something semi fun to read on the forums....

[William Death]

"Cheaters"  

 

Truly, provide evidence if players have cheated/hacked in any way, and bring it to the tribunal.  Accusations of cheating without evidence is no good.

I encourage people speaking of the recent port flips to not say "cheating," since I don't believe that word means quite what you think it means, at least in an early access game where testers (testers not "players") are meant to find broken mechanics and test them fully and report any flaws to developers. Trivial definitions...but still.  On to the main point:

 

 

If you had said something like:  "Game mechanics are very bad at the moment, allowing for major exploits of the new RvR system. We are glad such exploits were brought to light now, and not after release; we look forward to developers fixing these mechanics so it doesn't happen again."  Then I'd have whole-heartedly agreed with you.

But instead you accuse many players (entire nations? ) of cheating in the game, when they are in fact simply trying to test mechanics. For example, how would you (or anyone) know what missions you can pull from a non-county capital if you don't *own* that county capital? Rely on a clan taking a county capital and surrounding ports, then losing/giving up said county capital in the name of testing? Hmmm...might happen before the next wipe, might not, who's to say? But, because of the "exploits" nations now have a foolproof way of testing this and more. Like testing how strategic having your port "locked" behind another nation's county capital can be. Imagine having a maxed-out crafting port locked behind an ally's capital port, with opposite timers. "Oooh the humanity!" 

 

Furthermore, why so much drama over a handful of ports that will be reset again eventually anyways? We should be happy that mechanics that were (per Admin's own statement) working as intended *until* now, were shown to be exploitable before release.

Its been proven that certain mechanics aren't meshing well with the new RvR system. Surely those mechanics will be fixed before release. That is the entire point of having a testing period before the full release. 

See: 

 

 

 

Anyways,  as others said, maybe post #42 might get you another response. Until then, forum entertainment is at maximum levels .

[van der Clam]

1 hour ago, Hammy said:

Maybe the 40th post about it might get the reaction your looking for

It's kind of the same theory about how many times to run an exploit to get the reaction they keep desiring. heh

[Aster]

When do we throw the tea in the harbor or is this the wrong rant?

[MidnightLight]

I am Just going to sit back, eat some popcorn and wait for the US to cry more and make post 42 

[Bull Hull]

1 hour ago, Vernon Merrill said:

See, here's the deal.... 

People agreed with you guys the FIRST 38 times you posted about the same thing.   There was in fact some sympathy.

Now its just getting annoying.  

Lets see what the devs decide to do....  shall we?

See, here's the deal, I have been gone visiting my daughter and grandchildren so this is the first day I've had a chance to post a comment.

Here's another deal, the MOST annoying thing about this is the way the developers are STILL tolerating cheating.

Here's another deal - my comment is focusing more upon the incompetence of the developers for continuing to tolerate the cheating rather than the cheating per se.

Edited May 2, 2019 by Bull Hull
New thoughts

[Bull Hull]

59 minutes ago, William Death said:

"Cheaters"  

 

Truly, provide evidence if players have cheated/hacked in any way, and bring it to the tribunal.  Accusations of cheating without evidence is no good.

I encourage people speaking of the recent port flips to not say "cheating," since I don't believe that word means quite what you think it means, at least in an early access game where testers (testers not "players") are meant to find broken mechanics and test them fully and report any flaws to developers. Trivial definitions...but still.  On to the main point:

 

 

If you had said something like:  "Game mechanics are very bad at the moment, allowing for major exploits of the new RvR system. We are glad such exploits were brought to light now, and not after release; we look forward to developers fixing these mechanics so it doesn't happen again."  Then I'd have whole-heartedly agreed with you.

But instead you accuse many players (entire nations? ) of cheating in the game, when they are in fact simply trying to test mechanics. For example, how would you (or anyone) know what missions you can pull from a non-county capital if you don't *own* that county capital? Rely on a clan taking a county capital and surrounding ports, then losing/giving up said county capital in the name of testing? Hmmm...might happen before the next wipe, might not, who's to say? But, because of the "exploits" nations now have a foolproof way of testing this and more. Like testing how strategic having your port "locked" behind another nation's county capital can be. Imagine having a maxed-out crafting port locked behind an ally's capital port, with opposite timers. "Oooh the humanity!" 

 

Furthermore, why so much drama over a handful of ports that will be reset again eventually anyways? We should be happy that mechanics that were (per Admin's own statement) working as intended *until* now, were shown to be exploitable before release.

Its been proven that certain mechanics aren't meshing well with the new RvR system. Surely those mechanics will be fixed before release. That is the entire point of having a testing period before the full release. 

See: 

 

 

 

Anyways,  as others said, maybe post #42 might get you another response. Until then, forum entertainment is at maximum levels .

LOL  Nice try with the lame red hearing about hacking anything.  If you can't figure out how the players did in FACT cheat to take ports that should have been IMPOSSIBLE for them to take according to the current rules/mechanics then willful blindness that severe is incurable.

[Msk]

4 minutes ago, Bull Hull said:

See, here's the deal, I have been gone visiting my daughter and grandchildren so this is the first day I've had a chance to post a comment.

Here's another deal, the MOST annoying thing about this is the way the developers are STILL tolerating cheating.

Its not cheating, its a feature that has been in the game and worked this way for over a year. It is not intended to work this way anymore and thats fine, but every post on this besides being amazing to read, has been locked for the same reason

[Bull Hull]

1 hour ago, Beeekonda said:

Isn't accusations of cheating without proofs and elsewhere but tribunal is a forum violation?

Mods?

The PROOF is the irrefutable FACT that they took ports that should have been IMPOSSIBLE for them take.  In other words, they found and exploited a coding loophole to get and keep an unfair advantage.  That IS cheating.  What friggin more proof could you possibly need? ? ?

[Msk]

The americans took ports that were impossible for them to take, which is why they have been different colors for 8 months.

[Bull Hull]

Just now, Msk said:

Its not cheating, its a feature that has been in the game and worked this way for over a year. It is not intended to work this way anymore and thats fine, but every post on this besides being amazing to read, has been locked for the same reason

WRONG! ! !  Per the new mechanic the ONLY for a nation to set a PB at a minor port in a county is by FIRST taking the country capital.  The French and the Pirates did NOT take the relevant country capital first, thus they CHEATED by exploiting a loophole to get and keep an unfair advantage. Nice try with the lame straw man.

[Msk]

8 minutes ago, Bull Hull said:

WRONG! ! !  Per the new mechanic the ONLY for a nation to set a PB at a minor port in a county is by FIRST taking the country capital.  The French and the Pirates did NOT take the relevant country capital first, thus they CHEATED by exploiting a loophole to get and keep an unfair advantage. Nice try with the lame straw man.

But what about the american Collusion with the russians?!?!?

[Capitalism]

6 minutes ago, Msk said:

The americans took ports that were impossible for them to take, which is why they have been different colors for 8 months.

LOL Best post in weeks. Rum for you my friend.  [ ]D

 

[Msk]

4 minutes ago, Capitalism said:

LOL Best post in weeks. Rum for you my friend.  [ ]D

 

Why thankyou sir.

[_Masterviolin]

In Minecraft PE you could duplicate your inventory with an exploit for months by turning off your phone really fast.  Everyone used it, but no one actually went around in my middle school claiming they got the diamonds and other goodies they duped fairly. We all knew it was cheap abuse of a hole in the game's coding; in essence we were cheating. I suppose some people think differently.

Here the reality is pretty obvious. These people consciously made a decision to abuse an in-game exploit. If the goal was to explore loopholes in the system it should have been reported and left be. Instead it was used to conquer ports... contradictions and ironies aside, those affected have very good reasons to be pissed about it and I couldn't care less if they repeat themselves on the forums. 

Those clans should lose those ports ASAP, and more. 

[William Death]

39 minutes ago, Bull Hull said:

LOL  Nice try with the lame red hearing about hacking anything.  If you can't figure out how the players did in FACT cheat to take ports that should have been IMPOSSIBLE for them to take according to the current rules/mechanics then willful blindness that severe is incurable.

So you read the first part of the post and skipped the rest where I explained how current game mechanics were used, and subsequently found to mesh poorly with the new RvR system? OK then.

36 minutes ago, Bull Hull said:

WRONG! ! !  Per the new mechanic the ONLY for a nation to set a PB at a minor port in a county is by FIRST taking the country capital.  The French and the Pirates did NOT take the relevant country capital first, thus they CHEATED by exploiting a loophole to get and keep an unfair advantage. Nice try with the lame straw man.

Did you read the post from admin? He explained it clearly: a legacy mechanic which was working as intended allowed these things to happen. Now, because of the testing, we know that this legacy mechanic is not a good fit for the new RvR system, and devs will hopefully fix it.

You're looking at it from a very narrow perspective: "Nation owns port, but nation doesn't own capital = cheating. BAN THEM ALL!" Its more like: "Nation owns port, but doesn't own capital = used other methods to get it, maybe those methods shouldn't be possible? Devs?"

[Henry d'Esterre Darby]

Next up we'll start issuing warnings.  You've reported what you believe is a problem, it's been communicated, it will be reviewed, and if necessary, actions taken.  This repeated opening of threads isn't doing anything to speed things up.