New port bonus to ships

[Kejsaren]

Port bonus can be very strong from what I seen, does this mean I need to join a clan to craft competitive ships?.

Just want to know, since for me that is not going to be an option, not going to be forced into joining clan in order to be sailing competitive frigates, it's tough as it is being competitive when your on your own.

I can deal with being outskilled and outnumbered, but I'm not going to be outgeared aswell.

Edited May 1, 2019 by Huang Po Tsai

[z4ys]

1 minute ago, Huang Po Tsai said:

Just want to know, since for me that is not going to be an option.

Why is that not an option for you?

Edited May 1, 2019 by z4ys

[Dibbler (Retired)]

1 hour ago, Huang Po Tsai said:

Port bonus can be very strong from what I seen, does this mean I need to join a clan to craft competitive ships?.

Just want to know, since for me that is not going to be an option.

 

 In short yes, as things stand.

 Many are in same situation, but buffs are to powerful as they are curently and we can still buy.cap ships i guess.

Personally though i'll probably just nip in game time to time and not bother, other stuff i can play, or write off PvP server and just PvE mostly.

 

Edited May 1, 2019 by Dibbler

[Dibbler (Retired)]

2 minutes ago, z4ys said:

Why is that not an option for you?

 

 Some tend to avoid clans to stay out of the drama, something that i often do tbh.

[Kejsaren]

2 minutes ago, z4ys said:

Why is that not an option for you?

Because I have no interest in joining a clan, real life and the way I play the game makes it best played on my own, and I'm not going to join a clan just for port upgrades.

[Kejsaren]

6 minutes ago, Dibbler said:

 

 In short yes, as things stand.

 Many are in same situation, but buffs are to powerful as they stand and we can still buy.cap ships i guess.

 

If that's true then that's it for me then, don't like being forced into a certain gameplay to be competitive. I'll be back if/when I'm ready to play this game as part of a clan.:).

 

Fair winds and happy hunting all!

[Dibbler (Retired)]

5 minutes ago, Huang Po Tsai (Retired) said:

If that's true then that's it for me then, don't like being forced into a certain gameplay to be competitive. I'll be back if/when I'm ready to play this game as part of a clan.:).

 

Fair winds and happy hunting all!

 

 When things get out of control on PvP server, I often go to PvE to test mechanics/chill out.

 Perhaps this would be a short term answer :).

[Latron]

13 minutes ago, Huang Po Tsai (Retired) said:

Because I have no interest in joining a clan, real life and the way I play the game makes it best played on my own, and I'm not going to join a clan just for port upgrades.

If you join a casual clan then there shouldn't be any issues, but otherwise you could always just buy ships that are for sale.

[Sir Texas Sir]

1 hour ago, Huang Po Tsai (Retired) said:

Because I have no interest in joining a clan, real life and the way I play the game makes it best played on my own, and I'm not going to join a clan just for port upgrades.

As what Latron said, you can just buy a ship or capture one and get the good ships too.  I'm sure we will in our own nations be willing to sale ships to solo and small clans.  I done it in the past (more just gave the ships than sold) and prob will do it again.  

Ya'll keep acting like there isn't multi paths in game to get things.  Show up and help in OW and I'm sure folks will want to help you get one of these new nifty ships.

[Dibbler (Retired)]

6 minutes ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

As what Latron said, you can just buy a ship or capture one and get the good ships too.  I'm sure we will in our own nations be willing to sale ships to solo and small clans.  I done it in the past (more just gave the ships than sold) and prob will do it again.  

Ya'll keep acting like there isn't multi paths in game to get things.  Show up and help in OW and I'm sure folks will want to help you get one of these new nifty ships.

 

 Problem will be as more days pass most ship you meet in OW will be super buffed,  making it so that production line type mechanics can create them makes a joke of making some ships and woods rare.

 May as well just buff all ships in game and junk the port mechanics as stands, nobody will sail "normal" ships as will be death sentence lol.

 Personally i think is mistake as currently stands, but as they say adapt or play something else.

 

 

Edited May 1, 2019 by Dibbler

[John Cavanaugh]

1 minute ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

Ya'll keep acting like there isn't multi paths in game to get things.  Show up and help in OW and I'm sure folks will want to help you get one of these new nifty ships.

Build, steal, or buy. 

Build - non option for large majority of players who don’t have access to these now dramatically powerful crafting ports, nor access to rare woods which are dominated by the same powerful few clans( thankfully Admin made a statement that costs of rare woods will go down, hopefully then we’ll see them re enter the market to a degree) 

Steal - I count myself as a competent player and sail almost exclusively solo. I cap a fair few ships, which does offset my crafting needs. I have yet to capture a gold ship. Why? Because most people sailing those rare vessels either do so in a group (making it very difficult to Capture one of them when solo, though I’ve sunk a few) or are themselves confident enough in their abilities to defend their ships in a 1v1. As many, many people have pointed out, if you don’t want to be boarded, it can be quite easy to deny the boarding all together, and with the addition of broadsides during a boarding, for me to dismast and board a skilled player sailing a Teak/white high quality ship, me in one of my low quality cedar/cedar trincs, my hull is going to be shredded, and frequently I have been finished off or forced to disengage and flee during a boarding I might otherwise have won. Add in the myriad port bonuses, and will this entrench what I anecdotally find to be the common trend, or reverse it? I think we can all answer that quite easily. 

Buy - you can’t find Teak for sale these days, very rarely Teak/Teak or Teak/white ships, and never t/t t/w ships of high quality. They are hoarded or traded for ships of similar quality, creating an economy of quality vessels which most players cannot access. 

You propose that being active will result in being given these exceptionally potent ships? I’ve given away ships - to new players, to friends, and to people who lost ships due to my own failures in a battle. I’ve never given away a gold ship, and only once or twice a purple. Nor has anyone given me a free ship outside of old clan mates. If this is the norm as you see it, I’d love a free gold USSUS

[Angus MacDuff]

11 minutes ago, Sir "The Lorax" John said:

I think you can just found your own clan - if I'm not mistaken, any clan from a given nation can use port upgrades.

nope...have to be on their friends list

 

[Commodore Sixty Four]

20 minutes ago, Angus MacDuff said:

nope...have to be on their friends list

 

How can a solo player tell if they're on a Clan's friends list?  Is that list administered by individuals within the Clan?  Does the solo player need to request an invitation to the friends list or can they be added independently by the Clan without their knowledge?  As a solo player without the intention to join a Clan at present I'm interested in the mechanics to access the port bonuses as a friend or "ally".

Cheers

[Oli Garchy]

5 minutes ago, Commodore Sixty Four said:

How can a solo player tell if they're on a Clan's friends list?  Is that list administered by individuals within the Clan?  Does the solo player need to request an invitation to the friends list or can they be added independently by the Clan without their knowledge?  As a solo player without the intention to join a Clan at present I'm interested in the mechanics to access the port bonuses as a friend or "ally".

Cheers

you must be in a clan to get benefits even if its your own 1 man clan. i suggest making one and exploring the options it gives you.

[Severus Snape]

Join or Die

[Raekur]

The other benefits of making a single person clan is the additional storage space you get. A clan warehouse can stack things to much higher amounts than a player warehouse. Once you make your clan you should contact the owner of the port you wish to set up at and see if they have space on their fiends list. Clans have a limited number of clans they can add to their friends list. This may be a very good reason for the devs to think about increasing the amount of clans that can be added to a friends list as currently it is very restricting.

[Hawkwood]

The bonuses aren´t making any sense, they are too high, and they are damaging the game.This is not going to work after release, at all.

 

[Raekur]

4 minutes ago, Hawkwood said:

The bonuses aren´t making any sense, they are too high, and they are damaging the game.This is not going to work after release, at all.

 

It depends on your perspective. The devs may be looking at this from the viewpoint that if players of the same nation work together than that nation will prosper and have an advantage over their enemies. If the players refuse to work together than they have only themselves to blame not the game mechanics. Clan members and solo players can work together easily. Solo players that I know have simply brought the materials to build a ship to a crafter and that was all that was needed. With the amount of materials now being a lot less than they were in the past this approach should be much easier for solo players than it was in the past.You can practically build a sant with only needing a single LGV to move the items.

[Sir Texas Sir]

4 hours ago, Commodore Sixty Four said:

How can a solo player tell if they're on a Clan's friends list?  Is that list administered by individuals within the Clan?  Does the solo player need to request an invitation to the friends list or can they be added independently by the Clan without their knowledge?  As a solo player without the intention to join a Clan at present I'm interested in the mechanics to access the port bonuses as a friend or "ally".

Cheers

While the list is only limited to 15 clans something a small clan or solo player could do is ask to be put on the list temp.  Say you come to me and I own a port that has a lot of good crafting upgrades.  You tell me you plan to craft some ships this weekend and I trust your not an alt cause you come screen PB and help fight in the OW I set your clan on the list for the weekend so you can craft some ships.

also if you choice to play solo that is your choice.  Don’t complain that your not getting group perks for not playing that part of the content.  I’m sorry you can’t just request a piece of the pie when you didn’t nothing to earn it.  

[Raekur]

41 minutes ago, Routan said:

There is a lot of ways to see it. Nothing wrong with the system we have now. It is a game, some will like it and some wont. But if you ask me if this will be a game with many players, I think not. 

The biggest issue that I have encountered in this game is not with the game itself but with the players and their absolute refusal to actually put their ego's aside and work together. That was one of the main things I saw with BLACK when they were around is that they actually made it a primary point to work as a team, this is what made them so devastating. This fact alone proves that if a group can do it and be very effective then there is no excuse for why a nation can not do the same thing. I know it is near impossible with all the drama and other things getting in the way (like clan leaders who prefer to operate as a dictator instead of a leader) but it is possible. It only takes focus to make it happen.

[Raekur]

1 minute ago, Routan said:

Well you are right and wrong. Alone the sheer different in Numbers of players in Nations, makes it impossible for some nation to defend them self, to keep up in the arms race(Port upgrades). But again it looks like devs want a all to the winner game. Thats fine.

Or it could be like it was on PVP2, when one nation was pretty much steamrolling the other nations a few of the smaller nations actually banded together and gave them a run for their money (they complained a little but the ones that were actually out doing the port battles and getting into scraps did enjoy themselves and proved that unity is possible)

[Commodore Sixty Four]

19 minutes ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

also if you choice to play solo that is your choice.  Don’t complain that your not getting group perks for not playing that part of the content.  I’m sorry you can’t just request a piece of the pie when you didn’t nothing to earn it.  

Thanks for taking the time to respond but my post wasn’t a complaint, simply a request to understand the mechanics of Clans’ friends lists better.

It sounds like there is a way for solo players to access to access port bonuses as a friend of a Clan (assuming they can find one willing) and that’s good to know. If there wasn’t I’m sure most solo players would factor it into the cost-benefit of being a solo player and make their decision on that basis.

[Sir Texas Sir]

10 minutes ago, Commodore Sixty Four said:

Thanks for taking the time to respond but my post wasn’t a complaint, simply a request to understand the mechanics of Clans’ friends lists better.

It sounds like there is a way for solo players to access to access port bonuses as a friend of a Clan (assuming they can find one willing) and that’s good to know. If there wasn’t I’m sure most solo players would factor it into the cost-benefit of being a solo player and make their decision on that basis.

Didn’t mean for the second part to seem that way.  It was just a general statement.  We have helped out solo players I my clan many times.  Mainly cause they showed up to OW fights and screening and wasn’t being cranky old hermits.  

I guess maybe the guys thinking they can’t get these ships are the ones that talk bad about big clans and puss off others in nation so they won’t help them. 

This game is an open sandbox that we can play all types of way.  If there is a will there is always a way.

[AeRoTR]

Port Bonus should not be a hard stat. 

Upgrade 1 40% chance

Upgrade 2 30% chance

Upgrade 3 %20 chance

Upgrade 4 %10 chance

So this will pump lots of ships into ship market. Plus more need of resource for best ships. 

You can never expect 17th century shipyard to craft best quality ships all the time

And realistic point of view only big nations and companies could craft the best ships. Pirates mostly captured them. 

Disney Pirates in NA is another deep wound. They should not get upgrade bonus and limited to level 1 or 2 shipyard. Devs missing huge content with Pirate life, a super end game content for best captains. 

[Dalai Lama]

1 minute ago, AeRoTR said:

You can never expect 17th century shipyard to craft best quality ships all the time 

well the 18th and 19th century shipyards from Naval Action should be quite consistent in quality then as they are 100-200 years more advanced in technology... 😉