Need help with fully understanding Thickness and Penetration

[Meraun]

So i know Thickness does  let Balls bounce of your Hull with no Damage at all. Bounceing itself depends on the angle of your Ship towards the boadside as well as Cannontype, distance, Woodtype  etc.  Figuring out your ships thickness is easy with https://na-map.netlify.com/.

Waht i cant find is a usefull Caonnon Pen list. the list on na-map gives me, as an example,  an Penetration of 130 with an 18pd medium. But waht does that mean? 130cm Pen on 1m? 100m? Wich angle?

[Beeekonda]

4pd long: 

at 50 meters PENS armor of 85, at 100 meters PENS 80 and so on

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloped_armour

a good World of Tonks vid

 

Edited April 11, 2019 by Beeekonda

[Meraun]

6 minutes ago, Beeekonda said:

4pd long: 

at 50 meters PENS armor of 85, at 100 meters PENS 80 and so on

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloped_armour

 

yes but on na-map or in game, wahts the relevanat distance? 100 meters?

[Beeekonda]

I dont get the question

Data in my table was taken from the In-game description of the cannon. And NA-MAP is only showing PEN value for 50 Meters. 

I did a suggestion to make changes to cannons section of NA-MAP

 

[Meraun]

8 minutes ago, Beeekonda said:

And NA-MAP is only showing PEN value for 50 Meters. 

 

 

tahts waht i wanted to know, PEN on mich meter is shown on NA-Map. Thx

[Beeekonda]

Let me check it tho I see none of the Map values are matching my tables

[Beeekonda]

NA-MAP says PEN value is 134.

We might need to talk to @Felix Victor about his map

[Meraun]

3 minutes ago, Beeekonda said:

NA-MAP says PEN value is 134.

We might need to talk to @Felix Victor about his map

i think it has not been updated with the new Damage system, for example, Permit are not accurate at the momen i think

[Beeekonda]

Damage and Reload time values are matching, just something with Pen values

[Durin]

Since we are on the topic, does anyone know how the effective thickness is calculated in NA?

something like this maybe?

t=thickness/sin alpha°

o7

[Palatinose]

18 minutes ago, Durin said:

Since we are on the topic, does anyone know how the effective thickness is calculated in NA?

something like this maybe?

t=thickness/sin alpha°

o7

Sounds about right.

[Durin]

7 minutes ago, Palatinose said:

Sounds about right.

yeah im sure its pretty close, was just wondering if that is the exact formula? one could imagine other factors (grain orientation in the plankings wood for example should give more thickness on a horizontal angle then on a vertical angle)

[Felix Victor]

4 hours ago, Beeekonda said:

NA-MAP says PEN value is 134. 

I just take the value from API: CANNON_BASIC_PENETRATION. No calculations done.

[Felix Victor]

4 hours ago, Meraun said:

new Damage system, for example, Permit are not accurate at the momen i think 

Data from the API is updated daily after maintenance (automatically, no manual intervention). This includes information on cannons and permits.

Only a few data for ships (eg. armour and mast thickness) come from Module XML game files which are updated semi-automatically.

What do you think specially is not up to date?

Edited April 11, 2019 by Felix Victor

[Beeekonda]

7 hours ago, Durin said:

Since we are on the topic, does anyone know how the effective thickness is calculated in NA?

something like this maybe?

t=thickness/sin alpha°

o7

Thickness/cos(angle) seems legit

[Beeekonda]

@Felix Victor

Perhaps API Pen values are representing Point Blank pen values