Pandora Feedback

[angriff]

Not impressed.  When you tell someone you are bringing it to a battle you get a pause and a No, please something else.    It is ok to remain as the poor man's (non-DLC) disposable ship.

[Sang Noir]

I have to say that the Pandora is really bad at bouncing cannon balls, I don't think the hull reflects any shots. It's a bit of a glass cannon with awkward deck order. I have to say that the turn rate is quite good though.

Not sure about the angle of the swivels and their use for raking yet.

Edited May 10, 2019 by Son of Surcouf

[Atreides]

I run around in a pandora sometimes and quite like it.  I don't put the deck guns on and aiming is fine.  It has it's drawbacks but an excellent trader capper.

[pecheurman]

On 4/25/2019 at 10:21 PM, Parratoppa said:

Just to save you time guys

Proposed subtle white star that this guy wants looks like this

 

Like 70% of suggestions on this forum

 

 

hahaha i'm dead xD

Edited May 14, 2019 by pecheurman

[Aquillas]

Taking into account the drawbacks of Pandora, compared to Hercules for example (1 knot slower, larger turn radius, less fire power) and taking into account the BR 110 of the Hercules, I suggest Pandora's BR to be reduced from 100 to 80.

[Tomasso il Fortunato]

Free DLC , what did u expected ?

[LeBoiteux]

40 minutes ago, Aquillas said:

Taking into account the drawbacks of Pandora, compared to Hercules for example (1 knot slower, larger turn radius, less fire power) and taking into account the BR 110 of the Hercules, I suggest Pandora's BR to be reduced from 100 to 80.

less than a LRQ, a Niagara or a Ratlle Heavy ?

while the BR of the Cerberus is 100 ?

1 minute ago, Tomasso il Fortunato said:

Free DLC , what did u expected ?

gratitude ?

Edited May 14, 2019 by LeBoiteux

[Angus MacDuff]

Just now, LeBoiteux said:

while the BR of the Cerberus is 100 ?

Can it beat a Cerberus?

[LeBoiteux]

1 minute ago, Angus MacDuff said:

Can it beat a Cerberus?

That's why her BR shouldn't be lowered...

You did not understand what I meant, right ?

[Angus MacDuff]

Just now, LeBoiteux said:

That's why her BR shouldn't be lowered...

You did not understand what I meant, right ?

No, I understood you completely.  My question stands.  I have never heard of Pandora fighting Cerberus so I don't know if it's BR reflects it's value.  If Cerb is clearly superior to Pandora, then yes, the Pandora BR could be lower.

[Aquillas]

1 hour ago, Angus MacDuff said:

No, I understood you completely.  My question stands.  I have never heard of Pandora fighting Cerberus so I don't know if it's BR reflects it's value.  If Cerb is clearly superior to Pandora, then yes, the Pandora BR could be lower.

I fought against a Hermione with a Cerberus. The Hermione was saved by the intrusion of a Trinconmalee, with backboard side very low and structure impacted.

I fought your pirate frigate yesterday. You killed my Pandora in no time.

So yes, the Cerberus is way better than the Pandora: 0.7 knots faster without port bonus, same turn rate, way better aiming, 4 more 32pd carronades. Only the 15 more crews are for the Pandora. And Cerberus can be improved by port bonuses. 

[Angus MacDuff]

2 minutes ago, Aquillas said:

I fought against a Hermione with a Cerberus. The Hermione was saved by the intrusion of a Trinconmalee, with backboard side very low and structure impacted.

I fought your pirate frigate yesterday. You killed my Pandora in no time.

So yes, the Cerberus is way better than the Pandora: 0.7 knots faster without port bonus, same turn rate, way better aiming, 4 more 32pd carronades. Only the 15 more crews are for the Pandora. And Cerberus can be improved by port bonuses. 

Maybe the Pandora needs a buff and not a BR reduction.  I wouldn't like to see a light frigate be rated below or equal to a 6th rate.  I see your point though.  I sailed it once or twice and then left it in the barn as 'useless".  If you own a Herc, there is just no point in sailing a Pandora.  Comparing DLC ships to crafted has now also become problematic.  Anyone who builds a Cerberus in an "improved" port is going to have a vastly superior ship to the supposed peers in the DLC.  BR is no longer a measure of ship quality when that quality range is so wide depending on where a ship is built.  An Admiralty Cerb vs a crafted Cerb is now two different ships....how can the BR be the same?

[LeBoiteux]

41 minutes ago, Angus MacDuff said:

 I wouldn't like to see a light frigate be rated below or equal to a 6th rate.

Who cares about rates and national classification ?

What matters is her BR among all the 9-pders (from the Niagara up to the Surprise). A so-called "6th rate" carrying 9-pdr guns can have a higher BR than a so-called 9-pdr 'light frigate'.

In-game HMS Surprise, our best so-called 'Light frigate', was classified as a Corvette by the French like the Rattlesnake...

And La Renommée was not a 'light' frigate either but a plain frigate. French light frigates carried 6-pdr guns when she was built. 

Edited May 14, 2019 by LeBoiteux

[Zlatkowar]

16 minutes ago, LeBoiteux said:

Who cares about rates and national classification ?

What matters is her BR among all the 9-pders (from the Niagara up to the Surprise). A so-called "6th rate" carrying 9-pdr guns can have a higher BR than a so-called 9-pdr 'light frigate'.

I find it surprising to ignore rates and national classification and put such a strong emphasis on the 9 pounder argument when everyone goes full carros anyway. What's the point?

[LeBoiteux]

31 minutes ago, Zlatkowar said:

I find it surprising to ignore rates and national classification and put such a strong emphasis on the 9 pounder argument when everyone goes full carros anyway. What's the point?

9-pounders is another classification that gathers a rather homogenous group of ships that all carry 9-pdr guns or 32-pdr carro, from the Niagara up to the Surprise. Look at 3 ships, say :

• LRQ (6th rate, 9-pdr ship, in game 32-pdr carro, 24 guns) 
• Cerberus (5th rate, 9-pdr frigate, in game 32-pdr carro, 26 guns)
• Trincomalee (5th rate, 18-pdr frigate, in game 32-pdr carro, 50 guns)

A Cerberus (5th rate) has more to do with a LRQ or a Niagara (6th rate) than with a Trincomalee (5th rate).

[Farrago]

So far I’ve been underwhelmed by the Pandora as have my AI opponents. 

[Sang Noir]

6 hours ago, Aquillas said:

I fought your pirate frigate yesterday. You killed my Pandora in no time.

Yep, I fought against a PF too and the Pandora was actually quite good at outturning the PF. I got in some good rakes and would actually almost have won but of course anytime I caught a broadside it would just smash my armor everywhere. Didn‘t know what to do with the swivels,  next time I would like to try them for raking some more. 

Edited May 14, 2019 by Son of Surcouf

[Aquillas]

Is there any plan to fix the aiming of Pandora if using someting else than the main deck only. For the moment, this ship can aim properly a broadside only if all decks but the main one is left with no gun. Equiping them and putting them off service by F1 & F2 does not solve the aiming concern: for shooting the enemy side, you need to aim in water.

Only present solution: equip only the 22 main guns, plus bow and stern. Leave the rest empty.

Question: Why are the swivels and secondary decks impacting the main deck aiming?

[toblerone]

The Pandora - as it is now - is good just at quick boarding action on traders and to run away. If you are not fitted to outrun them, any other 5th will kill you.

But TBH It's very unlikely that Pandora will get any buff, because  otherwise the Hercules will no longer be attractive.

 

[troody]

I'll make the feedback short and direct: this ship is shit.

[AeRoTR]

Pandora is a better sailor than Hercules, but it has buggy aim, and I could not figure out what swivels guns are doing ! It can beat Herc when sailed by good captain.

[o Barão]

17 minutes ago, AeRoTR said:

Pandora is a better sailor than Hercules, but it has buggy aim, and I could not figure out what swivels guns are doing ! It can beat Herc when sailed by good captain.

Yes I have the same problem with the Pandora. Now I am disabling the swivels when I am firing with the main guns. I will need to more testings. But I like the Pandora fun light frigate.

[Guest]

Forgive me devs but your Pandora is crap. It's not a valid present to your long time customers and early access testers. It'a just a pain. Even with disabled swivels her cannonballs are flying everywhere but not to the target.

[Aquillas]

5 hours ago, Da Hool said:

Forgive me devs but your Pandora is crap. It's not a valid present to your long time customers and early access testers. It'a just a pain. Even with disabled swivels her cannonballs are flying everywhere but not to the target.

Do not equip with guns the weather deck (swivels) and the upper deck (2x4 6pd canons or 18pd carronades).

Take only the 22 main 32pd carronades (or 9pd cannons) plus chasers, to get a sort of small Cerberus. This is the only present way to solve this aiming concern. 

Embarking small guns and disabling them by F1&F2 do not remove the aiming concern.

Edited June 24, 2019 by Aquillas

[admin]

Pandora should be great for boardings and incapacitating of enemy ships
Fit for speed and boarding and equip guns with high splinter damage (swivels, carronades, obusiers) and get close. enemy crews should melt. 

Let us know in comments if it is not working as intended.