Vernon Merrill Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, HachiRoku said: Dude, wtf. I want a lobby game but that doesn't mean we should shit on the sandbox. Sandbox can and will work if things are done right. I cannot accept any compromises to anything. No matter the genre of the game I play I EXPECT it to work otherwise it cannot be enjoyed. Your attitude is extremely damaging. I have proposed to admin in a PM a dlc model that could work in a sandbox without damaging the game design. He chose not to read it. http://prntscr.com/n7zq39 Please give me 1 reason why my proposal would be bad for the game. Not for you, FOR A SANDBOX NAVAL WARFARE GAME WITH DLC. Its logical! I'm not disagreeing with you.... At all. My preference would be a pure sandbox model. My point is that its a constant push/pull between the two different models and until they decide which one they are going to gravitate towards, we will always have this same conversation. Fortunately, it appears that they have finally decided upon which direction they will end up at. Even if its not completely MY cup of tea....
HachiRoku Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 Just now, pit said: Irish man does not care for dev’s income well in the long run it might make more.
Lovec1990 Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tom Farseer said: While the price tag is obviously a wonderfull thing for people to get triggered by, I think the impact of a "free" (in ingame terms, I repeat in ingame terms!) 4th rate on RvR is by far the worse problem... is it? as we found out its equal to agamemnon so your theory fails
HachiRoku Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Vernon Merrill said: I'm not disagreeing with you.... At all. My preference would be a pure sandbox model. My point is that its a constant push/pull between the two different models and until they decide which one they are going to gravitate towards, we will always have this same conversation. Fortunately, it appears that they have finally decided upon which direction they will end up at. Even if its not completely MY cup of tea.... The choice was made The devs chose to implement lobby based mechanics. Noone else had the power. 1
Njord Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 21 minutes ago, HachiRoku said: then why do other ships still require so much work to craft them? Make all ships cheap. hello kitty RVR. Who cares....Oh wait RVR is the main way to keep a stable playerbase. RVR is the only reason the playerbase is low. Its tedious to capture ports and thats why people quit. So much work for a simple port battle. Farming ai is the worst. You cannot expect hardcore pvpers to go out and kill ai. I mean what the hell is that. If the game was about instanced battles then why the hello kitty did they make a sandbox. Pretty much this. Why was crafting made so much harder with RNG permits and rare / more expensive woods that need clan missions and all? Maybe to make DLC ships even more attractive? I actually liked the change making high quality ships harder to get... until they added more 24h free redeem DLC ships. 5
n_Ka Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) @n_Ka - please clarify your statement and edit this post. Thank you. - H. Darby Edited April 5, 2019 by Henry d'Esterre Darby
HachiRoku Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 Just now, Sovereign said: Pretty much this. Why was crafting made so much harder with RNG permits and rare / more expensive woods that need clan missions and all? Maybe to make DLC ships even more attractive? I actually liked the change making high quality ships harder to get... until they added more 24h free redeem DLC ships. Its funny. A few months ago I would have had a good few reasons to tell you that you were wrong but now I don't anymore.
Eric Cortana Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, Lovec1990 said: is it? as we found out its equal to agamemnon so your theory fails Awesome, i didn't know i could 1 click an Agamemnon out of thin air. I might actually re-download the game with this little bit of insight. 2
Tom Farseer Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, Lovec1990 said: as we found out its equal to agamemnon so your theory fails You underestimate the effect of being able to redeem a 4th rate every 24h... building an Aggy every 24h takes probably 2h of gametime within that time frame. clicking a button takes none. DLC-Owning clans can just burn their enemies out with throwaway screening and raiding. Econ-Warfare is essentially screwed 2
HachiRoku Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Eric Cortana said: Awesome, i didn't know i could 1 click an Agamemnon out of thin air. I might actually re-download the game with this little bit of insight. I love the players that rage uninstall naval action. I once did it and just installed those mega 5gbs the next day in 5 minutes.
Eric Cortana Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 Just now, HachiRoku said: I love the players that rage uninstall naval action. I once did it and just installed those mega 5gbs the next day in 5 minutes. I haven't played for a few month lol. But yeah it's always hilarious at how fast it downloads. 😂
HachiRoku Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Tom Farseer said: You underestimate the effect of being able to redeem a 4th rate every 24h... building an Aggy every 24h takes probably 2h of gametime within that time frame. clicking a button takes none. DLC-Owning clans can just burn their enemies out with throwaway screening and raiding. Econ-Warfare is essentially screwed To to mention the sole player that has noone. He will need more than 2 hours.
Guest Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, HachiRoku said: 5gbs in 5 minutes. I also had such a slow internet connection once Edited April 5, 2019 by Guest
HachiRoku Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Joernsson said: I also had such a slow internet connection once haha. I am pissing myself right now.
Socialism Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 36 minutes ago, HachiRoku said: Its funny. A few months ago I would have had a good few reasons to tell you that you were wrong but now I don't anymore. As I've been preaching on here for a month now - it's just a scheme to get players to stop crafting and purchase DLC ships. Cash out time. 1
StaleMemes Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) These premium ships are so bad for the game because they are 100% meaningless to sink. Sinking a player on one of these is like sinking an AI. Infinitely more to be respawned. Whats the point then? We might as well be playing a lobby game, then at least everyone has the same amount of skin in the game, instead of players without DLC working to get resources and crafting ships over time while the people with DLC can snap their fingers and get a ship that is just as good in any wood type they want and keep spamming the redeems every day till they get a nice one at 0 ingame cost. Just my 2 cents Edited April 5, 2019 by Capt Aerobane 6
z4ys Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) they should make all ships dlc so i could actual sail and pick all the ships that i like without a flavor Edited April 5, 2019 by z4ys 1
Salty Sails Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, z4ys said: they should make all ships dlc so i could actual sail and pick all the ships that i like without a flavor But you never could capture ships from enemies. What will Rover do??? 1
Greysteak Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 But I am worried about these DLC-ships! I like this game, it is my favorite. I like NA in much the same way I used to like WoT. I spent nearly a thousand dollars over the years on WoT before it was ruined for me. I don't play WoT anymore and have no desire to go back to it. It was just the one thing that turned me off of it, it became P2W. So yea, I'm very worried that another favorite game of mine is going down that road. It's getting close to the point of no return (release) and the developers don't seem to want to hear me. 1
z4ys Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Salty Sails said: But you never could capture ships from enemies. What will Rover do??? no need because dlcs
HachiRoku Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Socialism said: As I've been preaching on here for a month now - it's just a scheme to get players to stop crafting and purchase DLC ships. Cash out time. Going on a personal crusade like BP is not a solution though. Not matter how much I hate ROE and DLC ships I do want the game to be a success more than anything for my own selfish benefit to be fair. In order for the game to be successful players must accept the idea of dlc ship of the lines. Anyway the damage is done and the ships are on steam. The more DLC ships released the worse it will get. I am so glad I don't have to live with the fact that I did support the DLC. Remember that the next time you and your crusaders give the game a negative review that you encouraged the devs to do what they did. https://prnt.sc/n80toc EDIT!!! I made a huge mistake with typo Edited April 5, 2019 by HachiRoku 5
VirtuallyIdiotic Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 I am just happy I am not paying Star Citizen prices. 1
HachiRoku Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 https://steamdb.info/app/311310/ https://steamdb.info/app/1054071/ Naval action EU store is 37 Euro Naval Action Russian Store is 20.48 Euro DLC ship EU store is 34 Euro DlC ship Russian Store is 9.79 Euro Why are we paying almost the full game price for dlc and in russia only 50%? I could have messed up my math but please compare the links I just showed you/ 3
Sir Texas Sir Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, HachiRoku said: https://steamdb.info/app/311310/ https://steamdb.info/app/1054071/ Naval action EU store is 37 Euro Naval Action Russian Store is 20.48 Euro DLC ship EU store is 34 Euro DlC ship Russian Store is 9.79 Euro Why are we paying almost the full game price for dlc and in russia only 50%? I could have messed up my math but please compare the links I just showed you/ It's 35.99 for the Rat and 26.99 for L'Hermione in the US version of steam. And why no Pandora? Edited April 5, 2019 by Sir Texas Sir 1
StaleMemes Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, HachiRoku said: Going on a personal crusade like BP is not a solution though. Not matter how much I hate ROE and DLC ships I do want the game to be a success more than anything for my own selfish benefit to be fair. In order for the game to be successful players must accept the idea of dlc ship of the lines. Anyway the damage is done and the ships are on steam. The more DLC ships released the worse it will get. I am so glad I don't have to live with the fact that I did not support it. Remember that the next time you and your crusaders give the game a negative review that you encouraged the devs to do what they did. https://prnt.sc/n80toc I'm not going to accept the idea of spending weeks setting up the facilities and resources to craft decent 4th rates and then having some guy cash out 30 bucks and get infinite redeemable ones with any wood type he wants. I'm not going to accept the game's entire economy being destroyed by what I cannot describe as anything but a cash grab. I'm not going to accept that, I'm just going to stop playing this game. I've never wrote an angry review for this game or tried to sabotage it, but I'm not going to lie to myself about what it is or try to ignore blatant game breaking problems because I don't want to see it fail. Edited April 5, 2019 by Capt Aerobane 4
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