We should have a complete wipe at launch

[Justme]

I believe in the interest of fairness to new players at launch we should have at launch

1. Compete wipe. No knowledge, books, Xp, money, rank etc should be allowed to be kept.

2. Minimum rank before previous DLC purchased can be used. It would not be fair to new players to face P2W ships at game launch. Players should be held to a minimum rank before any of the DLC content can be used at launch.

This I believe would foster a more balanced game in the beginning and is best interest of fairness for new players.

I can not see the benefit of allowing   experienced players more advantages over new players beyond the hands on experience they already obtained by being testers.

[Cabral]

You are crazy.

[Beeekonda]

15 minutes ago, Justme said:

I believe in the interest of fairness to new players at launch we should have at launch

1. Compete wipe. No knowledge, books, Xp, money, rank etc should be allowed to be kept.

2. Minimum rank before previous DLC purchased can be used. It would not be fair to new players to face P2W ships at game launch. Players should be held to a minimum rank before any of the DLC content can be used at launch.

This I believe would foster a more balanced game in the beginning and is best interest of fairness for new players.

I can not see the benefit of allowing   experienced players more advantages over new players beyond the hands on experience they already obtained by being testers.

What is "fair"? newcomers will always be in disadvantage over old players - so whats the hello kittying point?

[Alonso Alvarado]

20 minutes ago, Justme said:

I believe in the interest of fairness to new players at launch we should have at launch

1. Compete wipe. No knowledge, books, Xp, money, rank etc should be allowed to be kept.

2. Minimum rank before previous DLC purchased can be used. It would not be fair to new players to face P2W ships at game launch. Players should be held to a minimum rank before any of the DLC content can be used at launch.

This I believe would foster a more balanced game in the beginning and is best interest of fairness for new players.

I can not see the benefit of allowing   experienced players more advantages over new players beyond the hands on experience they already obtained by being testers.

You will have after few months less players than who are playing now. New players dont know how hard is this game nowadays. A lot of people left it the first months at 2016 and the game was easier in that moment. Many veteran players are not going to level up again their player level and ships knowledge. But imagine is free.

Fairness...pretty word. We can start to talk about double accounts and why many players adulterate the RvR in game ussing them, if you like.

[Justme]

13 minutes ago, Cabral said:

You are crazy.

If you are going to do wipes, wipe everything. No sense if going half way on wipes at launch. Should be all or nothing, cherry picking what will be wiped does not do anyone any favors.

[van Veen]

25 minutes ago, Justme said:

This I believe would foster a more balanced game in the beginning and is best interest of fairness for new players.

I can not see the benefit of allowing   experienced players more advantages over new players beyond the hands on experience they already obtained by being testers.

This argument only holds truth assuming everyone starts at the same time. However, new players might (and probably will) come in a few days/weeks/months after release. Now, what about those?

The game will always be unfair. So this cannot be an argument. 

I support a full wipe. But not because of fairness. Simply because it's the only plain and straight solution as opposed to keeping some things, wiping other things and not being sure about still other things. 

[Beeekonda]

Just now, Justme said:

If you are going to do wipes, wipe everything. No sense if going half way on wipes at launch. Should be all or nothing, cherry picking what will be wiped does not do anyone any favors.

Wiping out everything does not favor anyone too, so whats the point?

[Slim McSauce]

Just now, Beeekonda said:

Wiping out everything does not favor anyone too, so whats the point?

It does, you launch a game at fresh slate, everyone at release has a better time.
If you're unable to wipe your game for release then there's something wrong with how you did it.
If the grind it too long, then you have a long grind, which is exactly what a full wipe tests for.

[Cabral]

After release some new players will try the game, play for a week then leave, this game is not for all tastes. Why the veteran testers have to lose everything for that?

[Beeekonda]

2 minutes ago, Cabral said:

After release some new players will try the game, play for a week then leave, this game is not for all tastes. Why the veteran testers have to lose everything for that?

 

Because people need to shitpost. Ofc it would be better if devs would wipe everything so day1 virgins would fight chad  Herc/Requin/Pandora captains, because that would be everyones choice for the leveling.

>100% better for the game

> not a shit posters 

>they thought everything out

> #FairForNewcomers

[Justme]

22 minutes ago, Beeekonda said:

Wiping out everything does not favor anyone too, so whats the point?

I don't see the issue, I can't recall a alpha/beta that did not do a complete wipe at release.

[Beeekonda]

Just now, Justme said:

I don't see the issue, I can't recall a alpha/beta that did not do a complete wipe at release.

1. If not having a point in wiping everything out is not an issue for you, then keeping Rank/CraftExp/KnowledgeSlots/Books should fine too for you.

2. Nobody cares about what you recall or not recall being/not being wiped out. Try www.google.com

3. Get real

[Justme]

2 minutes ago, Beeekonda said:

1. If not having a point in wiping everything out is not an issue for you, then keeping Rank/CraftExp/KnowledgeSlots/Books should fine too for you.

2. Nobody cares about what you recall or not recall being/not being wiped out. Try www.google.com

3. Get real

You are aware it's an early access, there is no guarantee you should keep anything at launch. No ones fault but your own if you don't understand that. 

Everything should be wiped, there is no real reason not too other than you have a misplaced sense of they owe you.

[Beeekonda]

4 minutes ago, Justme said:

You are aware it's an early access, there is no guarantee you should keep anything at launch. No ones fault but your own if you don't understand that. 

Everything should be wiped, there is no real reason not too other than you have a misplaced sense of they owe you.

Are you Admin? No? Id like @admin to make such statements and not some random hello kittyer. TY

 

I guess I dont understand shit in this life, gotta ask @Justme your expert opinion in shitpostin on their forums about not wiping EA progress 

 

Edited March 19, 2019 by Beeekonda

[Justme]

39 minutes ago, Beeekonda said:

Are you Admin? No? Id like @admin to make such statements and not some random hello kittyer. TY

 

I guess I dont understand shit in this life, gotta ask @Justme your expert opinion in shitpostin on their forums about not wiping EA progress 

 

I'll be honest never played RDR or RDR2. But I can understand how you feel the need to be selfish vs what's best for the game as a whole.

Most alphas/betas wipe at launch, been that way for years across all genres. Just because you disagree does not mean I'm shiposting.

A wipe is best to start everyone on an even playing field as possible at launch. Beyond being a selfish player you have yet to give a reason why it's not in the games best interest.

[Cabral]

3 minutes ago, Justme said:

I'll be honest never played RDR or RDR2. But I can understand how you feel the need to be selfish vs what's best for the game as a whole.

Most alphas/betas wipe at launch, been that way for years across all genres. Just because you disagree does not mean I'm shiposting.

A wipe is best to start everyone on an even playing field as possible at launch. Beyond being a selfish player you have yet to give a reason why it's not in the games best interest.

But you are not understanding one thing, will be equal for all but wont increase the number of players (what we need most). New players will come but many old players will quit, it's hard to repeat another year of grinding to find the books again.

[Dave Hadley]

I have another suggestion for you.

After release just delete your character and remake it so you lose everything in your account as if it was wipped. So you can be fair to new players right?

Be the change you want to see the in world mate. 

 

[Justme]

25 minutes ago, Cabral said:

But you are not understanding one thing, will be equal for all but wont increase the number of players (what we need most). New players will come but many old players will quit, it's hard to repeat another year of grinding to find the books again.

Catering to a few hundred veteran players and their multiple accounts is not the future of the game.

You are not going to attract new players by giving the old guard a bunch of advantages over the new at launch.

[Cabral]

1 minute ago, Justme said:

Catering to a few hundred veteran players and their multiple accounts is not the future of the game.

You are not going to attract new players by giving the old guard a bunch of advantages over the new at launch.

Think as you like, just don't regret later. 

[HachiRoku]

you know if you take good players mods away they still will be way better than new players. You wont change anything for the new players because the books you mean are art of ship gunnery and the useless book of 5. Those mods are good to be fair but they are not the reason moscalb hammers news in 2nd rates with a trinco. 

[HachiRoku]

1 hour ago, Beeekonda said:

Are you Admin? No? Id like @admin to make such statements and not some random hello kittyer. TY

 

I guess I dont understand shit in this life, gotta ask @Justme your expert opinion in shitpostin on their forums about not wiping EA progress 

 

Red dead is only called a beta because rockstar has no idea about online games and do not want to repeat the shitstorm they had with GTA online. They are also very aware that rdr2 online has no future so they will not punish the only playerbase they have. I am level 250 in gta online and assure you I will never play a rockstar p2w online game again. 

[HachiRoku]

I take that back. Rockstar is fully aware of how to make a good online game. They prefer money over it and the only thing RS knows how to do better than make games is make money. 

Edited March 19, 2019 by HachiRoku

[Justme]

I find it interesting that all that's really been seen in this thread is " don't take my stuff "

 

[Galt]

No beta game, in it's right mind, wouldn't start with a clean slate on release. You all signed up to play an early access game, an "alpha" version of the game where it was expected for everything to be wiped on final release. I get that we have all put 5k+ hours into the game, and I am in that camp, but with all the economic and mechanical updates we have had recently, and the next few patches that are scheduled, the best thing for the game would be to start completely fresh for everyone. 

We will still have our special ships we can redeem and the tutorial will take you far enough to get you started for instant PvP. I have put the game down until it releases so I can start fresh with everyone else. It's fair to the new players that will be starting on day one to us but it's more fair for the veterans of the game to start everything over so we can all have a better experience in the new OW. Once the game launches there shouldn't be another wipe. Don't be so miserly or think that the game is shit since you don't have your god tier gear anymore. Either you're good enough to earn it again in which case you haven't really lost anything; or you aren't good enough, which is also fine, but in that case don't punish the game/devs/rest of us, for your inadequacies.

[Slim McSauce]

6 minutes ago, Galt said:

No beta game, in it's right mind, wouldn't start with a clean slate on release. You all signed up to play an early access game, an "alpha" version of the game where it was expected for everything to be wiped on final release. I get that we have all put 5k+ hours into the game, and I am in that camp, but with all the economic and mechanical updates we have had recently, and the next few patches that are scheduled, the best thing for the game would be to start completely fresh for everyone. 

We will still have our special ships we can redeem and the tutorial will take you far enough to get you started for instant PvP. I have put the game down until it releases so I can start fresh with everyone else. It's fair to the new players that will be starting on day one to us but it's more fair for the veterans of the game to start everything over so we can all have a better experience in the new OW. Once the game launches there shouldn't be another wipe. Don't be so miserly or think that the game is shit since you don't have your god tier gear anymore. Either you're good enough to earn it again in which case you haven't really lost anything; or you aren't good enough, which is also fine, but in that case don't punish the game/devs/rest of us, for your inadequacies.

The difference between alpha and beta and early access to full release is not the same. Alpha and beta still imply pre-launch testing stage which means incomplete with bugs, exploits and content and progression which is subject to change . In NA's case all these things have changed many times over, and the progress made is not the same progress as it will be, If the game launched without a wipe into a clean slate, then the alpha/beta EA testers will be at a disparity, and will not know the game which they launch into if they do not play it as it official is then they'll only remember it as the way it was, which at release will not be true in the sense that the game at release, is not the same game as it is in pre-release. One implies complete, the other reflects incomplete. An incomplete set of notes from a course back will not help you in your current or future predicament.

Edited March 19, 2019 by Slim McSauce