Crafting question/discussion

[Molder169]

I have a question for the devs. I have returned to the game for the better part of December and lately I have been feeling the lack of ship wrath. It is so hard to get rss to craft ships and the amount of doubloons required is insane. I have heard many players say the same thing. It is nearly impossible to craft ships and supply myself with plenty of decent boats of all rates. 

 

My question to the devs is will this balance out with the new upcoming trade patch? Or will cost for blueprints be adjusted?

 

My question to the players: what are your thoughts? 

 

Personally I would rather have the ability to always go into battle with the mindset of not caring if I lose my ship, and most of the time i don't. However lately it's begun to get complicated replacing them.

[staun]

I think for the “ 2 hour man” single player, to get ressources and craft ships, the balance even to make 5 rate is tough. It helps a bit with insurrance. Witch issues do I personally feel to have.

- to few labor hours 

- 8 ports is atleast 2 to few if I also wants to do other stuf like PvP, RvR. Unless I limited where I can go and fight.

- Woods witch is important, is uneven distribued on the map, and the balance of would types need a look. Teak is just to good. Maybe lets sabicu come closer to teak on the main stats.

- Dubloons grind for any ship above a 5 rate just have made me forget about use bigger ships. But as long as I stay to the shallow it is fine.

Unfortunally @admin have not changed the rest of the patrole zones to fit the new reality after patch 27.  How many 5 rate patrolezones are there in the game? 

Personally I think the new trade system is screwed up. The price range on trade stuf is just to unballanced, when everything have the same weight.

Edited January 3, 2019 by staun

[Tiedemann]

2 hours ago, Molder169 said:

I have a question for the devs. I have returned to the game for the better part of December and lately I have been feeling the lack of ship wrath. It is so hard to get rss to craft ships and the amount of doubloons required is insane. I have heard many players say the same thing. It is nearly impossible to craft ships and supply myself with plenty of decent boats of all rates. 

My question to the devs is will this balance out with the new upcoming trade patch? Or will cost for blueprints be adjusted?

My question to the players: what are your thoughts? 

Personally I would rather have the ability to always go into battle with the mindset of not caring if I lose my ship, and most of the time i don't. However lately it's begun to get complicated replacing them.

Crafting:
Making 7. rate and up to 5. rate is not a problem IMO. Line ships are more expensive and they should be. Now I'm using 5. rates much more than 3. rates these days so something worked out for the better and I'm very glad for this change. 

I do not believe players who states that it is to hard to craft ships. Anyone with a bit of patience can craft fir/fir or oak/oak ships easily. I rather think crafters are spoiled and all wants to be able to craft white oak, live oak or teak ships with ease. If you want teak, white oak or live oak woods then yes, your going to have to invest some time into it or pay a lot for it. If your not in a nation that does not own a teak, live oak or white oak port  and your not willing to buy those woods in free towns, then consider conquering one!

Doubloons: 
I looted 1500 doubloons of an AI trader brig, and the next trader brig I got 1200 doubloons.
I attacked multiple 5. rate AI fleet with around 7-11 ships in fleet, in a Christian VII. I left all of those battles with minimum 2000 doubloons.
Then you have the patrol zone that will give you 2000 doubloons for doing 20K damage. And in the battles I survive vs other players I normally leave with around 1000 doubloons. 
I might be super lucky with the drop, but I hear the same from other players so I'm not. When the patch first hit, yes getting doubloons was very hard, but that was immediately after patch. I seriously think it is EASY now..     

[staun]

52 minutes ago, Tiedemann said:

Crafting:
Making 7. rate and up to 5. rate is not a problem IMO. Line ships are more expensive and they should be. Now I'm using 5. rates much more than 3. rates these days so something worked out for the better and I'm very glad for this change. 

I do not believe players who states that it is to hard to craft ships. Anyone with a bit of patience can craft fir/fir or oak/oak ships easily. I rather think crafters are spoiled and all wants to be able to craft white oak, live oak or teak ships with ease. If you want teak, white oak or live oak woods then yes, your going to have to invest some time into it or pay a lot for it. If your not in a nation that does not own a teak, live oak or white oak port  and your not willing to buy those woods in free towns, then consider conquering one!

Doubloons: 
I looted 1500 doubloons of an AI trader brig, and the next trader brig I got 1200 doubloons.
I attacked multiple 5. rate AI fleet with around 7-11 ships in fleet, in a Christian VII. I left all of those battles with minimum 2000 doubloons.
Then you have the patrol zone that will give you 2000 doubloons for doing 20K damage. And in the battles I survive vs other players I normally leave with around 1000 doubloons. 
I might be super lucky with the drop, but I hear the same from other players so I'm not. When the patch first hit, yes getting doubloons was very hard, but that was immediately after patch. I seriously think it is EASY now..     

Yes you just can sail oak oak ore fir fir ships. But lets just be honnest they are little in a match against a teak teak ship. It is fair enough that you need to work a bit to get the best wood, but the different should not be as big as it is now. Try see if you can find any combo of Wood that come close, just to build a PvP ship.

Dubloons. I simply need to know where ppl hunt Ai. I dont see any of the dbl that every one claim everybody gets. 

How expensive should ship be. Well think that always to debate. The prize right now does make it impossible for me to sail anything above a 5 rate. If RvR get limited to the very few, I do wonder how it will impact the game. But I understand the hardcore idea, the focus on rewarding the elite.  But lets be honnest if we want the elite game, then admins claim to build a game for the “2 hour man” is just not possible.

[Bragan Benigaris]

I tried the "2 hour man, single player" gameplay with a secondary account the last weeks only using a renomee.

Doubloons are really no problem, since last week i never closed my game session without at least 750+ doubloons. And this only by boarding 1-3 tbrigs, tsnows or lgvs immediately leaving a maybe overlooked freeport on the central american coast. A side effect of my hunting tours are around 800 logs of teak and white oak i captured from the traders, together with nearly all mats to build at least a 3rd or even a 2nd rate. The rest of the time i was hunting ow or trying the new shallow water capabilities of the reno in the Bahamas.

Building 1-3rd rates is not much more difficult than before the patch, with the streamlined crafting it may even a little easier. Doubloons are easy to get or their price is falling, yesterday were several 1000s for 80 reals at La Mona for buying. The only challenge remain the woods, especially teak and wo, and for line ships the obligatory cartagena refit.

[Salty Sails]

3 hours ago, staun said:

Yes you just can sail oak oak ore fir fir ships. But lets just be honnest they are little in a match against a teak teak ship. It is fair enough that you need to work a bit to get the best wood, but the different should not be as big as it is now. Try see if you can find any combo of Wood that come close, just to build a PvP ship.

Dubloons. I simply need to know where ppl hunt Ai. I dont see any of the dbl that every one claim everybody gets. 

How expensive should ship be. Well think that always to debate. The prize right now does make it impossible for me to sail anything above a 5 rate. If RvR get limited to the very few, I do wonder how it will impact the game. But I understand the hardcore idea, the focus on rewarding the elite.  But lets be honnest if we want the elite game, then admins claim to build a game for the “2 hour man” is just not possible.

You can also get good woods from sealed bottles(teak, live oak, White oak). You don’t have to build pvp ships, sometimes its easier to capture a good pvp ship from other players, than craft it by yourself. You get alot of doubloons from ai Trader and from sunken ships in pvp. If you have enough doubloons, you can find good pvp ships in admirality store. Better waste 7000 doubloons for a bellona, than craft it by yourself, if you are not in a Clan. Lineships should be very hard to craft. BTW. Alot of ports are Open for all, so set sail and buy the woods, you need for crafting ships. 

[staun]

Just now, Salty Sails said:

You can also get good woods from sealed bottles(teak, live oak, White oak).

Think the drop rate is so bad that I wouldn't build my crafting around it.

You don’t have to build pvp ships, sometimes its easier to capture a good pvp from other players, than craft it by yourself.

Thinks thats is a possibility from the best PvP players yes. Not sure how many "2 hour man" will have succes with that strategy.

You get alot of doubloons from ai Trader and from sunken ships in pvp.

I hear a lot about those fancy Ai traders, I just for some reason never see them. Moste time in PvP I simply don't have the time to loot. Trying to stay alive.

If you have enough doubloons, you can find good pvp ships in admirality store. Better waste 7000 doubloons for a bellona, than craft it by yourself, if you are not in a Clan. Lineships should be very hard to craft. BTW. Alot of ports are Open for all, so set sail and buy the woods, you need for crafting ships. 

I for one will never buy a ship in the admiralty for Dbl's. I make about 10-15 k dbl a month. So basicly 2 ships. I would think I lose more than that in PvP. Yes the general Idea is ships should be expensive(Question is how will it affect the gameplay. Guess we will see). and they are. Yes buy and sail woods from lots of ports. Know the mechanic. For quiet a long time I did that. Made sure the playes in the clan I was involved in could build ships. We actually crafted ships and gave the away so players didn't have to fear to lose a ship,

I agree with all of you. There is plenty of ways to do it. You can deside to look at the glas as half empty ore half full. But after the game in my opinion have taken the  direction it have, well my glas is just closer to empty. So to still have fun, I in generally just redeem a dlc ship when Nassau and Deadman is on the menu. I fear in the long run only the elite will benefit from the direction that they are turning the game. Ppl will end up in very few nations and the " 2 hour man" will be one like me. So we end up with the same 100 guys fighting each other in RvR, ppl stay in habor when hunters around. Simply get a less diversity in the game. It don't have to be wrong ore bad, just not the way I hoped the game would end.

[Thonys]

8 hours ago, Molder169 said:

I have a question for the devs. I have returned to the game for the better part of December and lately I have been feeling the lack of ship wrath. It is so hard to get rss to craft ships and the amount of doubloons required is insane. I have heard many players say the same thing. It is nearly impossible to craft ships and supply myself with plenty of decent boats of all rates. 

 

My question to the devs is will this balance out with the new upcoming trade patch? Or will cost for blueprints be adjusted?

 

My question to the players: what are your thoughts? 

 

Personally I would rather have the ability to always go into battle with the mindset of not caring if I lose my ship, and most of the time i don't. However lately it's begun to get complicated replacing them.

well i have a question for you :

Do you know how to achieve: dubloons, wood  ,iron , hemp, how to build a shipyard, farms ecc.. ?

it is not that diifficult at the moment ... i can grind 10.000 dubloons in a day easy ..

have all the woods and goods in a day to make a vessel. 

but you have to work for it a little bit ..thats all.

tip: you say "my mindset is not caring if  i lose a ship" that s a bit the too easy ...always use a tactic to preserve your ship for the next battle...

if you have ten frigates in your docks it is another mindset i can understand that

Edited January 3, 2019 by Thonys

[AeRoTR]

Real problem is extreme difference in wood type. So woods other than teak/wo or lo/wo seems trash. So problem is not the economy. 

On the otherhand ai dropping lots of rare woods. 

[staun]

1 minute ago, AeRoTR said:

Real problem is extreme difference in wood type. So woods other than teak/wo or lo/wo seems trash. So problem is not the economy. 

On the otherhand ai dropping lots of rare woods. 

Just so boring spending time grind Ai's.

 

3 minutes ago, Thonys said:

 

it is not that diifficult at the moment ... i can grind 10.000 dubloons in a day easy ..

have all the woods and goods in a day to make a vessel. 

 

Plz tell me how you do it.

[Thonys]

4 minutes ago, staun said:

Just so boring spending time grind Ai's.

 

Plz tell me how you do it.

oke ,oke .....a logistical plan is a must ..but it can be done.

the question is ..! people dont listen to the captain s who provide the road to freedom,..... most of them are ignorant and individual wanderers. 

they have to learn it the hard way.

Edited January 3, 2019 by Thonys

[staun]

2 minutes ago, Thonys said:

oke ,oke .....a logistical plan is a must ..but it can be done.

the question is ..! people dont listen to the captain s who provide the road to freedom most of them are ignorant and individual wanderers. 

That was not much help. Can you plz maybe make a daily record and post it. Think I then will be much wiser

 

[Thonys]

2 minutes ago, staun said:

That was not much help. Can you plz maybe make a daily record and post it. Think I then will be much wiser

 

ha...... i knew you would say that...

uhhhhh....No..

[staun]

2 minutes ago, Thonys said:

ha...... i knew you would say that...

uhhhhh....No..

Just Pm it to me. I am a poor "2 Hour man", not a veteran like you. I'll even share what I get over 7000 dbl a day  50/50 with you.

[Salty Sails]

you Don’t like to sink 2-3 ai Trader each day? You don’t have time in battles to loot enemy ships?? You don’t have time to sail to ports and buy wood? And you don’t have time to loot your shipwrecks from sealed bottles? BTW. What exactly are you doing in your 2 or 3 hours playtime?

[Thonys]

with 7000 dubloons a day you can buy yourself a kingdom if you want in la tort ..you dont need my help to get you rich and wealthy ...

are you Scrooge McDuck now ?

Edited January 3, 2019 by Thonys

[staun]

6 minutes ago, Thonys said:

with 7000 dubloons a day you can buy yourself a kingdom if you want in la tort ..you dont need my help to get you rich and wealthy ...

are you Scrooge McDuck?

I cant' make it without your advice. As it is now I make about 500 dbl a day.

[Thonys]

make  a small party of  ai fleet hunters and a le Requin loot hunter and split the loot after battle

[staun]

43 minutes ago, Salty Sails said:

you Don’t like to sink 2-3 ai Trader each day? You don’t have time in battles to loot enIemy ships?? You don’t have time to sail to ports and buy wood? And you don’t have time to loot your shipwrecks from sealed bottles? BTW. What exactly are you doing in your 2 or 3 hours playtime?

Well first of all should we not start with the fact and get them right. I didn't say I didn't sail to loot sealbottles. I just said I woldn't build my crafting around. Isaid i wouldn't not grind Ai's So what do I do?

I sail a bit to craft ressources and maybe a small trade run for some real . Then I do maybe 1 kill  single Ai. Then the normal day is gone. My hours is spend when Patrolezone is in dead and nassau. Spend maybe about 6 hours then in the game that day. Gives a total around 15 hours a week. In patrole most fight I am outnumbrede, so no chance to loot. Well I guess I can, but since I don't survive it makes little sence.

 

Edited January 3, 2019 by staun

[Angus MacDuff]

43 minutes ago, AeRoTR said:

So woods other than teak/wo or lo/wo seems trash.

Mah/Sab is a pretty good build, although it is not as good as T/WO.  "Perfection is the enemy of good enough".  Why build with very expensive rare woods when most people are going to go out and get sunk by Banished or Ram?

[John Cavanaugh]

2 minutes ago, staun said:

Well first of all should we not start with the fact and get them right. I didn't say I didn't sail to loot sealbottles. I just said I woldn't build my crafting around. i said i said I would not grind Ai's So what do I do.

I sail a bit to craft ressources and maybe a small trade run for some real . Then I do maybe 1 kill  single Ai. Then the normal day is gone. My hours is spend when Patrolezone is in dead and nassau. Spend maybe about 6 hours then in the game. Gives a total around 15 hours a week. In patrole most fight I am outnumbrede, so no chance to loot. Well I guess I can, but since I don't survive it makes little sence.

 

Break up the routine a bit into a day for missions, a day for doing your trade runs, etc. if you take one day a week to do the patrol zone and focus on getting to that 2000 doubloon mark(if you have no players in the zone at your time zone, take a basic cutter and just hug an ai for damage) you will be able to use those doubloons to pay for all your teleport fees for the week. Have one outpost set up where you buy your trade good of choice, and just check once a day to buy what you can of it. Once a week do your trade run in a fleet of the appropriate ships, escorting them however you find prudent, rather than doing several smaller trade runs. Do the same with your resource collection. Teleport outpost to outpost to collect from buildings, then consolidate on the one day a week. 15-20 minutes a day of outpost checking, 1 day dedicated to trade routes, 1 day dedicated to patrol, 1 day dedicated to crafting, and you’re free 4 days out of 7. Raid some AI trade for doubloons if you like, or go do some pvp. All about time management.

alternatively, if you enjoy sailing sloops and light corvettes, you can do just fine with such small vessels and they are largely self sufficient. 

[staun]

21 minutes ago, Thonys said:

make  a small party of  ai fleet hunters and a le Requin loot hunter and split the loot after battle

So boring AI grind. For how many hours to get 10.000 dbl a day?

[staun]

26 minutes ago, John Cavanaugh said:

Break up the routine a bit into a day for missions, a day for doing your trade runs, etc. if you take one day a week to do the patrol zone and focus on getting to that 2000 doubloon mark(if you have no players in the zone at your time zone, take a basic cutter and just hug an ai for damage) you will be able to use those doubloons to pay for all your teleport fees for the week. Have one outpost set up where you buy your trade good of choice, and just check once a day to buy what you can of it. Once a week do your trade run in a fleet of the appropriate ships, escorting them however you find prudent, rather than doing several smaller trade runs. Do the same with your resource collection. Teleport outpost to outpost to collect from buildings, then consolidate on the one day a week. 15-20 minutes a day of outpost checking, 1 day dedicated to trade routes, 1 day dedicated to patrol, 1 day dedicated to crafting, and you’re free 4 days out of 7. Raid some AI trade for doubloons if you like, or go do some pvp. All about time management.

alternatively, if you enjoy sailing sloops and light corvettes, you can do just fine with such small vessels and they are largely self sufficient. 

Oh it is. I spend around 15 hours a week. Thats not the same as 2 hours a day.  The 2 days a week in patrolezone is the longest with I guess about 4 hours in avarage. So that is the 8 hours a week. Sailing better woods when bought. I would say on that is the one day a 2 hours trip. One day with a trade trip for real is also a 1,5 hours trip. Sailing around and get my crafting material to build ships, guess when I go get it, I spend around 1-2 hours to get it from all ports. so it leaves me with around 2 hours for killing Ai's. 

I know I just have to limited my game according to the new way NA is. And I have. I left my nation so I don't have to worrie about RvR and turned in to be a carebear. So much more relaxing. Just hope I will belong to the few. For this game to be great we in my opinion need big, intense fight for RvR. Just not longer posible for me any more.

 

Edited January 3, 2019 by staun

[John Cavanaugh]

2 hours ago, staun said:

Oh it is. I spend around 15 hours a week. Thats not the same as 2 hours a day.  The 2 days a week in patrolezone is the longest with I guess about 4 hours in avarage. So that is the 8 hours a week. Sailing better woods when bought. I would say on that is the one day a 2 hours trip. One day with a trade trip for real is also a 1,5 hours trip. Sailing around and get my crafting material to build ships, guess when I go get it, I spend around 1-2 hours to get it from all ports. so it leaves me with around 2 hours for killing Ai's. 

I know I just have to limited my game according to the new way NA is. And I have. I left my nation so I don't have to worrie about RvR and turned in to be a carebear. So much more relaxing. Just hope I will belong to the few. For this game to be great we in my opinion need big, intense fight for RvR. Just not longer posible for me any more.

 

I might then recommend eliminating either resource production or trading. I for example do not trade, so most of my time in game is spent in a prince or Requin. My income is exclusively through the sale of modules and ships taken near trade hubs, which is enough to comfortably support my little crafting. If you focus on trading and choose to buy your resources, I can recommend a trade route very profitable which I no longer use.

[jodgi]

5 hours ago, Thonys said:

i can grind 10.000 dubloons in a day easy ..

Nobody said it wasn't easy, It's just hyper boring. (Or quite time consuming; 10k dubs with PvP isn't a small thing)

I'm just lucky I always enjoyed frigates more than big ships. I feel no doubloon pain at all.