Is this game insane???

[Sir Max Magic]

Hi

 

I mean the topic serious: is this game insane or made by sadists ???

 

I just lost

- Pirate Frigate with VERY FAST Trim and 3 expensive upgrades

- Indiaman with another 3 upgrades and cargo load worth a Million (1 of my 2 Fleet Ships)

for commiting the crime to LOG OFF for REAL LIFE appointments after

- WINNING a battle

- NO ENEMIES LEFT

- logging out INSIDE THE BATTLE INSTANCE

 ...and getting 9.000 reals as compensation... 

 

I mean, are you Devs joking ???

 

Remember, this is a GAME and noone (especially partners and friends) outside your little world understands such a perverted rule set, in which you  are not allowed to go...

Sometimes you just have to leave:

Job, Dogs, Partners, Appointments, someone ringing on your door, your house is burning, who knows...and this stupid game just dont let you go safely outside a port ??? I mean, i could understand when the battle would be still raging...but this ???????

 

Explain this to NORMAL thinking people...good luck

 

This occurance make me seriously rethinking my wish to play your "game"

 

Edited December 25, 2018 by Sir Max Magic

[Slim McSauce]

There's a 120 second log off timer from the OW which you get kicked out to from battles after 15 minutes of it completing.

This is to prevent people from escaping the revenge fleet

Edited December 25, 2018 by Slim McSauce

[Sir Max Magic]

25 minutes ago, Slim McSauce said:

There's a 120 second log off timer from the OW which you get kicked out to from battles after 15 minutes of it completing.

This is to prevent people from escaping the revenge fleet

Whatever it is, but i didnt closed the battle because i was alone inside and having to go...

 

This practically means, you cant log into the game, if you have other appointments the day:

- When you start a trading run, it can easily last for 1 hour or 2 until you can reach a port

- during this run, you can get jumped multiple times by enemy players which could prolong the gaming session for several more hours than planned initially

- if your gaming session has to end at anytime, you are not allowed to safely exit in open world

And you want to tell me, thats fine, that you just cant leave a GAME (!!!) anymore safely ??? My girlfriend is just looking over my shoulder and shaking her head about this...

 

I mean you hardcore Guys and Devs have to relax, open your mind and take a step backwards and rethinking what this perverted ruleset you gave yourself do with the average Joe...

Edited December 25, 2018 by Sir Max Magic

[Slim McSauce]

I agree with you, Naval Action may not be trying to make life hell for the average person, but it certainly does. The only people who can enjoy NA are the people who have many hours to take out of their day for it. PvE is a little different you can just about jump right into fights that way. PvE and RvR?.. You need to spend at the very least 3 hours for a normal play session which is a few or more fights to be satisfied, but you can very well be tagged over, and over, and over again which turns into what is a 4 hour battle of you running away, or be forced to surrender out of TIME, imagine that in a video game.

That's why I'm always pushing for even battles, ROE limits and BALANCE. 
Gank v Gank meta, speed capped ships, ramming, hugging, too many repairs making battles drag on to eternity. Some of these don't even have an excuse as to why they're a part of the game, they're there because none of the devs though maybe players shouldn't ram each other non stop?
How is the regular person suppose to enjoy a game with so many unjust rules? A tyranny is what it is.

Edited December 25, 2018 by Slim McSauce

[Atreides]

This particular mechanic was introduced a while back because of the history of people logging out in battle instance to wait on TS to spring out for PB, ganking etc,  the idea is you can only log out in open world where you can check before hand to make sure no enemies are around.  If you are in an area with hostiles close by basically you stand to lose everything if real life needs you.

[Slim McSauce]

39 minutes ago, Wraith said:

Yeah, I know it's unfriendly, but you need to think about all the ways that the behavior that you described could be misused.  Because it was. The rule is, don't be in an area you can't quit the battle and just exit (waiting to do so) in order to log out at sea.

You're right, just don't sail on the map if you don't want to get chased and tagged by 20 ship after you win your battle. You should surrender your goods and ship if you don't have the time or mental energy to go 20 ganks in a row. If you don't have at least 3 hours to play every time you click sail, you should just give up on this game, it's not for you /not sarcasm

Edited December 25, 2018 by Slim McSauce

[AeRoTR]

There is 120 seconds timer, after that you can safely exit when OW. 

You needed to exit battle instance, select exit, it will ask for 2 minutes timer for safe log off. That is it. May be game needs to give better explanation. 

[Vernon Merrill]

Is there more to this?  Because I’m sure you know the log off conditions....

[Slim McSauce]

16 minutes ago, Vernon Merrill said:

Is there more to this?  Because I’m sure you know the log off conditions....

Yes you're missing the "insane and sadistic" part, no one wants to be retagged and revenge ganked over and over and over for many hours in a row, or forced to surrender their ship because the Gamelabs doesn't know how to put a close on battles

Instead they punish people for sailing on OW by subjecting them like mice to overly long play sessions after that you're forced to play through or lose your items.
Basically he's saying the developer lack consciousness to allow such a morally reprehensible conditions to exist in what is, just a game.

And I agree, this game reeks of pure ignorance to malice and the human capacity for evil. 

Edited December 25, 2018 by Slim McSauce

[Vernon Merrill]

12 minutes ago, Slim McSauce said:

Yes you're missing the "insane and sadistic" part, no one wants to be retagged and revenge ganked over and over and over for many hours in a row, or forced to surrender their ship because the Gamelabs doesn't know how to put a close on battles

Instead they punish people for sailing on OW by subjecting them like mouse to hour long retag sessions after the actual battle has already been resolved.
Basically he's saying the developer lack consciousness to allow such a morally reprehensible conditions to exist in what is, just a game.

For the love of god will you please use the forum search function before you breathlessly respond...?!!?

Stay I your lane, new guy.  It’s getting annoying.  

 

Edited December 25, 2018 by Vernon Merrill

[Macjimm]

4 hours ago, Sir Max Magic said:

And you want to tell me, thats fine, that you just cant leave a GAME (!!!) anymore safely ??? My girlfriend is just looking over my shoulder and shaking her head about this...  I mean you hardcore Guys and Devs have to relax,

Respectfully, you gotta relax yourself.  Afterall, it's only a game.  So you log off and lose your ship(s) and cargo.  You may be disappointed but really... you haven't lost anything.  Lighten up. Don't be so darn serious.   You are not actually a hostage.  No ill health or harm will come to you, or your girlfriend, if you just quit playing at anytime, even in the middle of a battle.

It's just a game.  

My advice to you ... Stay away from casinos.

[Slim McSauce]

Just now, Macjimm said:

Respectfully, you gotta relax yourself.  Afterall, it's only a game.  So you log off and lose your ship(s) and cargo.  You may be disappointed but really... you haven't lost anything. 

Holy shit absolutely clueless. Players are not game designers and this entire post proves it.

Edited December 25, 2018 by Slim McSauce

[staun]

15 minutes ago, Slim McSauce said:

Yes you're missing the "insane and sadistic" part, no one wants to be retagged and revenge ganked over and over and over for many hours in a row, or forced to surrender their ship because the Gamelabs doesn't know how to put a close on battles

Instead they punish people for sailing on OW by subjecting them like mice to overly long play sessions after that you're forced to play through or lose your items.
Basically he's saying the developer lack consciousness to allow such a morally reprehensible conditions to exist in what is, just a game.

And I agree, this game reeks of pure ignorance to malice and the human capacity for evil. 

Well you could also put it the otherway around. You are against the hunter been chased. Forced to fight ore lose his ship. But it is ok to force a guy in for a trade run to fight. 

The short answer is if you get what you ask for you just basicly make it impossible to stop those guys going in In fast ships. They just do a defensive tag and then they are rather safe. Then they sail out and wait a couple om min an go back in. But guess that is better that they can hunt free. If ppl can’t defend them self, I guess they derserve it.

[Slim McSauce]

1 minute ago, staun said:

Well you could also put it the otherway around. You are against the hunter been chased. Forced to fight ore lose his ship. But it is ok to force a guy in for a trade run to fight. 

The short answer is if you get what you ask for you just basicly make it impossible to stop those guys going in In fast ships. They just do a defensive tag and then they are rather safe. Then they sail out and wait a couple om min an go back in. But guess that is better that they can hunt free. If ppl can’t defend them self, I guess they derserve it.

Holy shit..........Ok I'm going to try to keep this very simple.

A trader getting attacked (normal)

A player getting forced to play an extra 2 hours after the battle has been resolved (bad game design)

Edited December 25, 2018 by Slim McSauce

[Sir Texas Sir]

44 minutes ago, Vernon Merrill said:

Is there more to this?  Because I’m sure you know the log off conditions....

I'm kinda wondering if there was more to this story.

 @Sir Max Magic can you give us a little more details.  As stated there is a 2 min window after battles your kicked out and in the OW until your ship is logged out.  It's not even a full 2 mins that you an get tagged cause you still have the invincibility for leaving the battle and the no attack timer so they only really have like a 1.5 window to tag you.  Where you in Enemy waters? Was this a PvP Battle you just finished so there might of been some revenge ships out side waiting to catch you (most likely if your in enemy waters).  Where you in the middle of no where I tagged some one like this once, he was AFK logging out and I tagged him with my Indianman (he had one too).  No resistance and I notice no guns but ships was fully loaded with supplies. 

As stated above there is game mechanics made cause of abuse of players using simple mechanics that we would think is very user friendly.  Sounds like you didn't check if it was clear out side and just assumed you be able to log out in battle safely.  Take it as a learning experience always check out side before you log out. 2 mins is still 2 mins.   

As for having to go suddenly in real life I some times with if your ran the battle out for the full hour and half you should get a longer invisibility or chance to log out safely. I been retagged so many times that I had several battles run out for 3-5 hours.  Some with where I had to go I just said hello kitty it and surrender, some had told the other person and they let me go.  Other times most the chasing party gave up and I was able to turn and fight one or two (not the half dozen chasing me from start).   It's part of the game, remember every thing can be replaced.   

[Slim McSauce]

Just now, Sir Texas Sir said:

As stated above there is game mechanics made cause of abuse of players using simple mechanics that we would think is very user friendly.  Sounds like you didn't check if it was clear out side and just assumed you be able to log out in battle safely.  Take it as a learning experience always check out side before you log out. 2 mins is still 2 mins.   

YIKES! THIS ISN'T EVEN POSSIBLE UNLESS YOU HAVE A DUAL BOXING ACCOUNT! THIS IS YOUR BRAIN ON BAD GAME DESIGN FOLKS!

Edited December 25, 2018 by Slim McSauce

[Sir Texas Sir]

13 minutes ago, Slim McSauce said:

YIKES! THIS ISN'T EVEN POSSIBLE UNLESS YOU HAVE A DUAL BOXING ACCOUNT! THIS IS YOUR BRAIN ON BAD GAME DESIGN FOLKS!

CliCK EXIT BATTLE......look around and see no one.  Than click leave game.  Decide if you want to leave game open for 2 mins or just log out while ship sits in OW for 2 mins.  IF it's all clear you prob not going to get tagged so it's ok to just leave.  If it's not clear point ship opposite direction and make a run for it.   Really are you that stupid you can't figure out simple game mechanics which out bring up alts?   If he got tagged he wasn't in safe waters to start with. 

This game is not made for folks that just want to pop in and pop out. If you want to do that than go to some far away port and green zones and hide from most other players.

For him to have been tagged he was in an area that others traveld in or it was just dumb blind luck like in the example I ran into above in the middle of no where (I was going from Bermuda to US coast line).

[vazco]

5 hours ago, Sir Max Magic said:

is this game insane or made by sadists ???

I'm just waiting for this guy's post when as a hunter going back from his hunt at 1am he gets retagged 3 times in a row eg. by VLTRA - winning every fight, but dying due to lack of time at 5am in 4th fight - loosing his ship, upgrades, and all doubloons

[Slim McSauce]

2 minutes ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

CliCK EXIT BATTLE......look around and see no one.  Than click leave game.  Decide if you want to leave game open for 2 mins or just log out while ship sits in OW for 2 mins.  IF it's all clear you prob not going to get tagged so it's ok to just leave.  If it's not clear point ship opposite direction and make a run for it.   Really are you that stupid you can't figure out simple game mechanics which out bring up alts?   If he got tagged he wasn't in safe waters to start with. 

 

You miss the part where there are people waiting to chase him to the end of the world and back, tagging over and over and over again and you literally have to spend all of your real life day running away, or giving up what you own because you aren't a real sailor who had 20 straight hours to play a video game.

Imagine that in any other game, yes it's insane that's why we have a fraction of the original fanbase left. It's the losers advantage, if you don't have 3 hours to play all I have to do is tag you over and over again until you're sick of NA forever.

gg ez

Edited December 25, 2018 by Slim McSauce

[vazco]

3 minutes ago, Slim McSauce said:

You miss the part where there are people waiting to chase him to the end of the world and back, tagging over and over and over again

I think you missed a part where he was mentioning there was no retagging - he just logged off in a single battle, instead of in an OW.

Yes, constant retagging is an issue - it would be good if it was solved. It's not the case here - NA simply isn't for everyone.

[vazco]

btw, would be nice if we introduced auto-translate from CAPSLOCK to english in this forum.... Eg something like:

THIS IS YOUR BRAIN ON BAD GAME DESIGN FOLKS!

Into:

[now I'm very angry]
uh, oh! I want to complain!
[/now I'm not that very angry any more]

[Slim McSauce]

3 minutes ago, vazco said:

I think you missed a part where he was mentioning there was no retagging - he just logged off in a single battle, instead of in an OW.

Yes, constant retagging is an issue - it would be good if it was solved. It's not the case here - NA simply isn't for everyone.

You're right, I was speaking on the greater issue of NA's poor philosophy of punishing people for doing what they're suppose to.

I wish I could play Naval action but I don't have time for 3 hour chases after I already won my battle, I like MMO's, but I value my real life time more.

I'll instead play a game of CSGO where you get 1 overtime in that is it. The devs actually make a sincere promise that the game won't drag on longer than it needs to, and that people won't lose a match solely on not having 3 hours straight to play

Edited December 25, 2018 by Slim McSauce

[staun]

1 hour ago, Slim McSauce said:

Holy shit..........Ok I'm going to try to keep this very simple.

A trader getting attacked (normal)

A player getting forced to play an extra 2 hours after the battle has been resolved (bad game design)

Ore a trader get attacked normal. Btw a trader that plan to do a 5-10  min trip can also be forced to stay in battles. By 

- defend good agsinst the hunter. But guess that time forced on a player is ok.

- If you have a fleet and they escape and you die, you end up in OW, so bacily you can end up in hours of fight. But guess thats ok to. It is just a trader.

A defence fleet trying to stop farming in there wathers normal. So yes a hunter might be in for a fight. But the fact 9 of 10 10 the hunter gets away. Yep lets make it 10 of 10.

But guess you are all fine by farming. Fine you want a change, I just sometimes think ppl forget to think what the consequence of those actions might be.

Edited December 25, 2018 by staun

[Thonys]

7 hours ago, Sir Max Magic said:

Hi

 

I mean the topic serious: is this game insane or made by sadists ???

 

 

I just lost

- Pirate Frigate with VERY FAST Trim and 3 expensive upgrades

- Indiaman with another 3 upgrades and cargo load worth a Million (1 of my 2 Fleet Ships)

for commiting the crime to LOG OFF for REAL LIFE appointments after

 

Explain this to NORMAL thinking people...good luck

 

This occurance make me seriously rethinking my wish to play your "game"

 

2

yes...normal. ....  you are a old player so you know how it works.

"this occurance make me seri......" that is up to you capt ...   many have gone/left  before you  ...

 

[Slim McSauce]

1 hour ago, staun said:

Ore a trader get attacked normal. Btw a trader that plan to do a 5-10  min trip can also be forced to stay in battles. By 

- defend good agsinst the hunter. But guess that time forced on a player is ok.

- If you have a fleet and they escape and you die, you end up in OW, so bacily you can end up in hours of fight. But guess thats ok to. It is just a trader.

A defence fleet trying to stop farming in there wathers normal. So yes a hunter might be in for a fight. But the fact 9 of 10 10 the hunter gets away. Yep lets make it 10 of 10.

But guess you are all fine by farming. Fine you want a change, I just sometimes think ppl forget to think what the consequence of those actions might be.

It goes way beyond that and I'm going to assume you're just being narrow minded to prove a point.

If one part of your game is tyrannical, it's likely many other parts of the game are too, and when you don't know that you don't see to connection between ganks and people's willingness to put the necessary hours in for pvp.