Female Characters

[mouse of war]

Maybe we shouldn't let women play at all since there were no women Captain's in the age of sail navies. Having women players in this game would just crush immersion and we can't have that. Realism, Historical accuracy, immersive game play, that is the only thing acceptable for NA!

 

 

 

JK

 

I don't think that anyone has come down against having female characters in the game - so perhaps your sarcasm is a little misplaced?

[jgzman]

I don't think that anyone has come down against having female characters in the game - so perhaps your sarcasm is a little misplaced?

 

You might check the poll results. 25% of the votes are for historical accuracy, defined here as "no wimmen."

[mouse of war]

A solution

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A choice of male, female, etc. etc. avatars

But an option for players who prefer historical accuracy that shows the avatars of all other players as male

 

Everyone gets what they want.

 

Sorted

 

End of debate 

 

[Aglas]

How about no gender at all.and no avatar  just name and that is it.  

The crew remains male and the devs can focus just on adding the new Ships and open world.

 

You only know bye the name above the ship. 

 

Because if you go the social justice warrior way aim a black man an I want to have all black crew and a Japanese guy can come and demand an all Japanese crew and so on.

 

Sorry English is not my tongue

[One-Eyed Willy]

It's quite possible to like/want female avatars in the game without being a SJW.

 

There is a photo in the Gallery section of this forum of the Star Trek:Next Generation cast in British Naval uniforms. It looks rather classy. If the devs were to dress the female models like that pic it would be fine with me, but all in all I don't really care if they add female avatars, it's not a issue with me.

 

As for the "black man" comment.. on a pirate ship or a Ottoman vessel sure, but most certainly not for the European powers navies. In fact if a pirate ship doesn't have some minorities on board it won't be historically accurate as many pirate crews(of the New World) had black men & natives on board.

[Robert Danforth]

The British Navy, at least, had black men in its service. I don't believe any were captains, but certainly on their crew.

[Prater]

 

How about no gender at all.and no avatar  just name and that is it.  

The crew remains male and the devs can focus just on adding the new Ships and open world.

 

You only know bye the name above the ship. 

 

Because if you go the social justice warrior way aim a black man an I want to have all black crew and a Japanese guy can come and demand an all Japanese crew and so on.

 

Sorry English is not my tongue

 

 

 

The Royal Navy employed multiple races....Even Africans, Asians, etc.....

 

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/blackhistory/work_community/high_seas.htm

[Aglas]

The Royal Navy employed multiple races....Even Africans, Asians, etc.....

 

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/blackhistory/work_community/high_seas.htm

Thank you 

Nice to see the only Black "Sailors" I knew before where the Slaves 

Guess I have to read some books ^^ 

 

I actually hope the devs do make some black sailors. 

[Destraex]

The British navy collected a lot of different nationalities in its travels. It was fairly diverse. But still 99% would be European.

But that does not mean I am going to demand all nnations sailors are modelled on English ships. It makes no difference to gameplay and the average should apply.

[Grim DeGrim]

The more I think on it, just go all male. Make the decision and move on.

Five pages on a socially charged topic, with no way to appease everyone.

There will be no boycott or world headlines on how an historically accurate GAME discrimated by upholding historical fact.

[Mirones]

me reading this thread

[One-Eyed Willy]

Or it could be that we aren't hermits at all & have no need to satisfy our sexual desires in a video game as real life is far more preferable for that.

 

-edit- Hmmm.. the post I was replying to seems to no longer exist.

[Karnaught]

At the early stage of the game with a male and female portrait(s) or whatever will be fine. 

 

IMO I prefer to start with a nice sailing environment, ship design, weather implementation and port docking mechanics. All the village MMORPG and NPC interaction could be done by a browser system similar to Patrician/Port Royale at least in a early stage. I’m sure that can be interesting to see 3D models and captain cabinets meetings but that should be low on priority right now.

 

At the end of the day this is a sailing and naval warfare game and that should be the distinctive selling point of this game. I personally don't care much about what kind of sprites I see over the deck.

[Prkl8r]

To me this game seems like its going to be the sailing version of mount and blade. Sure it creates a setting that is very reminiscent of the real world time period, however it is not claiming to be a recreation of the actual time period.

 

In M&B you could pick a female character however it came with some unique reactions from NPCs and you had to work harder to gain recognition from NCP lords or became a leader in one of the lords armies. 

 

If a small studio like the one that made M&B can put in female characters and even go so far as to make the experience of playing a female character unique, I see absolutely no reason Games Labs can't as well.

[Mundane]

There were no female captains in any of the organized navies. Therefore, there should be no female avatars in any of the organized navies.

I don't care if there's female pirates, in the French or British or any other European navies there should NEVER, EVER be any female captains due to historical accuracy.

EVER.

This is objectively the best way to do things.

[mouse of war]

A solution

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A choice of male or female, etc. etc. avatars - not really much of a resource issue - just a range of face designs and really this is the way the voting is going

But to ALSO please those who would like historical accuracy (and why not?) they get an option on their machine to show the avatars of all other players as male

 

Everyone gets what they want. Sorted. End of debate 

[mouse of war]

Yeah some of you are overthinking this way too much. I have a feeling if GL ever releases scantily clad female DLC we will all be in an uproar together. I think it's safe to say our collective nightmare is bikini clad pirate captains flying around in 1st rates.

 

Let's not start bringing in political crap for a problem that doesn't exist. We don't even have male avatars yet.

 

"bringing in political crap for a problem that doesn't exist" - exactly

And I don't believe any self-respecting person who was into this historical game and forked out money for it would stop playing just because the design of the face of the currently-non-existing avatars.

Female avatars yes why not? Is it a problem anyhow? No

[Prkl8r]

There were no female captains in any of the organized navies. Therefore, there should be no female avatars in any of the organized navies.

I don't care if there's female pirates, in the French or British or any other European navies there should NEVER, EVER be any female captains due to historical accuracy.

EVER.

This is objectively the best way to do things.

 

And why should you even care what somebody else's avatar is anyway, most likely you'll never even see the other players avatar, it most likely will be purely for the person playing it.

 

You want to set rules for how other people should play a game because it might effect YOUR (I can do that too) immersion? That's not how mutiplayer RPG style open world games work my friend. Not allowing people to play female characters, only negatively effects people that want to play female characters. It in no way effects people that do not want to play female characters, because you know, you don't have to. Unless they are planning to fully model the avatars and put in public spaces that you can walk around in with your avatar, you will probably rarely even see another players avatar. 

 

It's mind-boggling to me to see people come out against something that has absolutely no effect on them but effects other people. It's like your against something just to be an A-hole.

 

As far as historical accuracy, you know what else was a large part of life during this period? Slave trading ships. Are we, or should we be able to buy and trade slaves as a commodity? Absolutely not! 

 

It's a video game. you can still create a world that feels very authentic to the time period, but include things that weren't, and leave out things that were.

[FreshTheFallen]

There were no female captains in any of the organized navies. Therefore, there should be no female avatars in any of the organized navies.

I don't care if there's female pirates, in the French or British or any other European navies there should NEVER, EVER be any female captains due to historical accuracy.

EVER.

This is objectively the best way to do things.

 

 

And why should you even care what somebody else's avatar is anyway, most likely you'll never even see the other players avatar, it most likely will be purely for the person playing it.

 

You want to set rules for how other people should play a game because it might effect YOUR (I can do that too) immersion? That's not how mutiplayer RPG style open world games work my friend. Not allowing people to play female characters, only negatively effects people that want to play female characters. It in no way effects people that do not want to play female characters, because you know, you don't have to. Unless they are planning to fully model the avatars and put in public spaces that you can walk around in with your avatar, you will probably rarely even see another players avatar. 

 

It's mind-boggling to me to see people come out against something that has absolutely no effect on them but effects other people. It's like your against something just to be an A-hole.

 

As far as historical accuracy, you know what else was a large part of life during this period? Slave trading ships. Are we, or should we be able to buy and trade slaves as a commodity? Absolutely not! 

 

It's a video game. you can still create a world that feels very authentic to the time period, but include things that weren't, and leave out things that were.

^This.

 

Plus why would it be objectively the best way to not let people choose what gender their avatar has? It is not, it's just your subjective opinion, as it is with everyone else here.

[Anvilfolk]

This is a legitimate question. I've been part of historical reenactment groups in which women weren't allowed to do many things men could do. It always felt... realistic, but unfair in our current society. These were today's women being "forbidden" to do something. It was a tough situation.

 

I understand the concerns for historical accuracy, but in this day and age I truly believe we should be as inclusive as possible, especially in domains that are sometimes still vastly male dominated. Not having women avatars can make women players feel uncomfortable, or like they don't belong, even though they might greatly enjoy the game.

 

So I am all for female captains, even if it means eschewing 100% in historical accuracy, which the game is already doing in favour of gameplay anyway.

[nornica]

That topic is way too funny ;D

Ok so maybe for historical accuracy the female characters will be allowed only for pirates and traders? xD
Like You chose female character, You have no option and have a pernament pirate flag on ship xP

lulz

Ahoy!

[Mundane]

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As far as historical accuracy, you know what else was a large part of life during this period? Slave trading ships. Are we, or should we be able to buy and trade slaves as a commodity? Absolutely not! 

 

It's a video game. you can still create a world that feels very authentic to the time period, but include things that weren't, and leave out things that were.

Why shouldn't there be a slave commodity? Because it would hurt someone's feelings? Oh, cry me a river, if it happened in real life it should happen in this game as well. Political correctness is killing games.

And I'm not being an asshole when I am trying to make a game as good as this even better and more accurate to the time period. Don't start changing history to suit the needs of 'the greater demographic'.

[William the Drake]

There were no female captains in any of the organized navies. Therefore, there should be no female avatars in any of the organized navies.

I don't care if there's female pirates, in the French or British or any other European navies there should NEVER, EVER be any female captains due to historical accuracy.

EVER.

 

 

Again, there's no need to get overzealous here. 

I am studying history myself so I understand the want for historical accuracy, but complete, 100% immersion accuracy is impossible; we will already have copies of the same ship, and I foresee that more SoLs will be in the water then ever historically true, for starters. A female avatar (or portrait) which gives only atheistic diversity and no gameplay imbalance should be the least of the problems and, in my opinion should not weigh that strong as an argument.

[Mundane]

 

Again, there's no need to get overzealous here. 

I am studying history myself so I understand the want for historical accuracy, but complete, 100% immersion accuracy is impossible; we will already have copies of the same ship, and I foresee that more SoLs will be in the water then ever historically true, for starters. A female avatar (or portrait) which gives only atheistic diversity and no gameplay imbalance should be the least of the problems and, in my opinion should not weigh that strong as an argument.

Now, this is an argument about plausibility vs. impossibility.

There could have plausibly been more SoLs in the water. However, it would have been impossible for women to be captains due to the culture that has developed over centuries or millennia.

[Galileus]

And I'm not being an asshole when I am trying to make a game as good as this even better and more accurate to the time period. Don't start changing history to suit the needs of 'the greater demographic'.

 

You're assuming everyone wants to play the game you want to play. You do not even consider the fact some people may differ in taste, or brush them aside as "greater demographic" and imply their opinions are not worth listening to.

 

This is exactly what being an asshole is about.