Cannon Shot types

[Crimson Sunrise]

from the wikipedia of age of sails cannon why not implement the different types of cannon shots

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_artillery_in_the_Age_of_Sail

 

Shot[edit]

In addition to varying shot weights, different types of shot were employed for various situations:

• Round shot – Solid spherical cast-iron shot, the standard fare in naval battles.
• Canister shot – Cans filled with dozens of musket balls. The cans broke open on firing to turn the gun into a giant shotgun for use against enemy personnel.
• Grapeshot – Canvas-wrapped stacks of smaller round shot which fitted in the barrel, typically three or more layers of three. Some grape shot was made with thin metal or wood disks between the layers, held together by a central bolt. The packages broke open when fired and the balls scattered with deadly effect. Grape was often used against the enemy quarterdeck to kill or injure the officers, or against enemy boarding parties.
• Chain-shot – Two iron balls joined together with a chain. This type of shot was particularly effective against rigging, boarding netting, and sails, since the balls and chain would whirl like bolas when fired.
• Bar shot – Two balls or hemispheres joined by a solid bar. Their effect was similar to chain shot.
• Expanding bar shot – Bar shot connected by a telescoping bar which extended upon firing.
• Link shot – A series of long chain links which unfolded and extended upon firing.
• Langrage – Bags of any junk – scrap metal, bolts, rocks, gravel, old musket balls, etc., fired to injure enemy crews.
• Fire arrows – A thick dartlike incendiary projectile with a barbed point, wrapped with pitch-soaked canvas which took fire when the gun was fired. The point stuck in sails, hulls, or spars and set fire to the enemy ship.
• Heated shot – Shore forts sometimes heated iron shot red-hot in a special furnace before loading it (with water-soaked wads to prevent it from setting off the powder charge prematurely). The hot shot lodging in a ship's dry timbers would set the ship afire. Because of the danger of fire aboard, heated shot were seldom used aboard ships.
• Molten iron shell - A variation on heated shot, where molten metal from a furnace is poured into a hollowed out shell and then allowed to cool briefly to seal the molten metal in before firing. HMS Warrior (1860) was outfitted to fire molten shells.
• Double shot – Two round shot or other projectiles loaded in one gun and fired at the same time. Double-shotting lowered the effective range and accuracy of the gun, but could be devastating within pistol shot range – that is, when ships drew close enough for a pistol shot to reach between the two ships. To avoid bursting the gun, reduced powder charges were used. Guns sometimes were double-shotted with canister or grape on top of ball, or even triple-shotted with very small powder charges which still were enough to cause horrible wounds at close range.
• Exploding shell – Ammunition that worked like a grenade, exploding and sending shrapnel everywhere, either by a burning fuse which was cut to a calculated length depending on the range, or (after 1861) on contact with the target. Shells were often used in mortars, and specialized and reinforced "bomb vessels" (often ketch-rigged so that there was less rigging to obstruct the high-angle mortar shell) were adapted to fire huge mortars for shore bombardment. The "bombs bursting in air" over Fort McHenryin the American national anthem were this type of projectile.
  
  these would work would they not by adding in variety on types of cannon fire a captain could encounter of course several could be limited to specific decks or cannon sizes 

[Corona Lisa]

9 minutes ago, Crimson Sunrise said:

• Molten iron shell - A variation on heated shot, where molten metal from a furnace is poured into a hollowed out shell and then allowed to cool briefly to seal the molten metal in before firing. HMS Warrior (1860) was outfitted to fire molten shells.

So they were melting metal on a ship during combat? Wtf

[Crimson Sunrise]

lol dont blame me its from wikipedia i didnt type it up

[Njord]

16 minutes ago, Crimson Sunrise said:

Exploding shell – Ammunition that worked like a grenade, exploding and sending shrapnel everywhere, either by a burning fuse which was cut to a calculated length depending on the range, or (after 1861) on contact with the target. Shells were often used in mortars, and specialized and reinforced "bomb vessels" (often ketch-rigged so that there was less rigging to obstruct the high-angle mortar shell) were adapted to fire huge mortars for shore bombardment. The "bombs bursting in air" over Fort McHenryin the American national anthem were this type of projectile.

The mortar brig should have them.

[Guest]

Could we please stick to the proper timeframe?

 

Round shot, double shot - we already have them

Canister shot, grape shot etc - we already have them.

Chain shots - we already have them, bar and extended bar shots are but variations over the same theme. I'd rather they dropped the artificial limitation on certain ammo types and either went all out realism with proper powder and ammo stores on ships or removed restrictions all together.

The fire arrows are effectively rockets and to my knowledge were not used on ships during the timeframe - I may be wrong on this tho but since we don't see rockets used in a european/american military contexts before the sacking of bordeaux in the french revolutionary wars (if my recollection is correct it's the first town to be subject to a dedicated barrage with rockets with the intent to cause as many civilian casualties as possible). 

Heated shot - agreed we're missing this one, but it should come with the same risks as it had in the age.

Molten shot - 1860 outside of the timeframe

Exploding shells - outside of the timeframe.

 

To summarize: We're only missing the heated shots in order to be within the timeframe of the game. Otherwise I'd like the danish panser-frigate "Peder Skram" to be included in the game, first danish frigate to be fully ironclad and with a propella and steam engine. Hell why not go all out and introduce the Bismarck...

[Crimson Sunrise]

10 minutes ago, Lars Kjaer said:

Could we please stick to the proper timeframe?

 

Round shot, double shot - we already have them

Canister shot, grape shot etc - we already have them.

Chain shots - we already have them, bar and extended bar shots are but variations over the same theme. I'd rather they dropped the artificial limitation on certain ammo types and either went all out realism with proper powder and ammo stores on ships or removed restrictions all together.

The fire arrows are effectively rockets and to my knowledge were not used on ships during the timeframe - I may be wrong on this tho but since we don't see rockets used in a european/american military contexts before the sacking of bordeaux in the french revolutionary wars (if my recollection is correct it's the first town to be subject to a dedicated barrage with rockets with the intent to cause as many civilian casualties as possible). 

Heated shot - agreed we're missing this one, but it should come with the same risks as it had in the age.

Molten shot - 1860 outside of the timeframe

Exploding shells - outside of the timeframe.

 

To summarize: We're only missing the heated shots in order to be within the timeframe of the game. Otherwise I'd like the danish panser-frigate "Peder Skram" to be included in the game, first danish frigate to be fully ironclad and with a propella and steam engine. Hell why not go all out and introduce the Bismarck...

isnt the timeframe still in the 1860 bracket since they added the requin which that specific ship and its design would also fall under the out of the timeframe. 

fire arrow would be closer to a carroballista type projectile rather then a rocket.

exploding shells isnt outside the timeframe is specifies or after 1861 for  exploding on target rather then above or before.

 

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, Crimson Sunrise said:

isnt the timeframe still in the 1860 bracket since they added the requin which that specific ship and its design would also fall under the out of the timeframe.

Le Requin was made in 1750

[Crimson Sunrise]

7 minutes ago, Wyy said:

Le Requin was made in 1750

ok we can remove the requin from my comment but does it really matter about timeframe for when cannon types were used, we dont know if they were using half that ammo type within our games timeframe. 

[Crimson Sunrise]

43 minutes ago, Polish Privateer said:

Yes, it matters.

how so does it matter on its timeline, we cant confirm that molten and explosive rounds were first used on ships, we also cant confirm with other types of ammunition were used on ships there is no starting date,

[Crimson Sunrise]

explosive shot "Shell (projectile)"  

History

Solid cannonballs ("shot") did not need a fuse, but hollow munitions ("shells") filled with something such as gunpowder to fragment the ball, needed a fuse, either impact (percussion) or time. Percussion fuses with a spherical projectile presented a challenge because there was no way of ensuring that the impact mechanism contacted the target. Therefore, shells needed a time fuse that was ignited before or during firing and burned until the shell reached its target.

Nevertheless, shells came into regular use in the 16th Century, for example a 1543 English mortar shell was filled with 'wildfire'."

heated shot or Hot Shot's "Carcass (projectile)"  

A carcass was an early form of incendiary bomb or shell, intended to set targets on fire. It comprised an external casing, usually of cast iron, filled with a highly flammable mixture, and having three to five holes through which the burning filling could blaze outward.^[1][2] Carcasses were shot from howitzers, mortars, and other cannons to set fire to buildings and defences; on impact, the shell shattered, spreading its incendiary filling around the target. Congreve rockets were also sometimes fitted with carcass heads.

History

Carcasses were used for the first time by the French under Louis XIV in 1672.^[3] They were also fired from bomb vessels.

 

Fire arrow
Fire arrows were one of the earliest forms of weaponized gunpowder, being used from the 9th century onward. Not to be confused with earlier incendiary arrow projectiles, the fire arrow was a gunpowder weapon which receives its name from the translated Chinese term huǒjiàn (火箭), which literally means fire arrow. In China a 'fire arrow' referred to a gunpowder projectile consisting of a bag of incendiary gunpowder attached to the shaft of an arrow . Fire arrows are the predecessors of fire lances, the first firearm.^[1]

The Japanese version of the fire arrow was known as bo-hiya. Japanese pirates (wokou also, kaizoku or wako) in the 16th century were reported to have used bo hiya which had the appearance of a large arrow. A burning element made from incendiary waterproof rope was wrapped around the shaft and when lit the bo-hiya was fired from a wide bore tanegashima (Japanese matchlock) or a mortar-like weapon (hiya taihou). During one sea battle it was said the bo-hiya were "falling like rain".^[21]

there thats should clarify that they were used prior to the end of our games timeframe and make these valid types of ammuition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_arrow
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcass_(projectile)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heated_shot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cannon_projectiles

[Thonys]

don't forget the guns

there a lot more guns to introduce first before firing a different kind of ammunition 

first things first

[admin]

molten iron shell from 1850? fire arrow?


No plans for new type of shots, especially like fire arrow - presented without analysis - like with penetration tables for the game, damage, place in game. prices, roles