Repair Balancing

[Stars and Stripes]

In my experience I seldom see more that 2 repairs used in a battle. Rig or Hull.

Some of the ridiculous claims being made here are just exaggerated hype.

I carry just 3 x cycles because I need speed for hunting in OW.

If you cant end a fight with the current system then maybe you should look at yourself.

As a side note, most battles were inconclusive after many hours of fighting in real life, so NA is pretty much spot on with reality.

 

 

[Cmdr RideZ]

On 10/26/2018 at 2:45 PM, Sir Loorkon said:

1.As Palatinose and me pointed out, with the actual chain damage and the mast sniping you can end a battle within 5—10 minutes. When mast sniping and chain damage get nerfed, there might be more room for a limitation of repairs. Atm the reduction of repairs will lead to very short fights and - more likely - running or ganking.

2.You statement with 10 repairsets is pure theorie. No good player will carry so much repairs because it will slow down the ship so OW hunting will be impossible.

3.I think the system will get better when the stacking of repairmods ends and I hope admin will not increase the weight of the repairsets simultaniously. 

4.We are talking about a main part of the fighting system. Any change should be done slowly and deliberate.

There are multiple points here.

1. They have been increasing damage after introducing multireps. Before ships did not get wrecked that fast. Today fighting without repair kits is much more fatal than before.

2. Exactly. This one is binding us to ports. We don't really need to manage crew at sea as repair kits are binding us already. We also have rum now, so it is double feature. I am not recommending this bound to port feature but that is what we have now.

3. Does not sound that this would be enough to fix it.

4. When things are this bad F*ed up, they really need to change it fast.

 

On 10/27/2018 at 4:06 AM, Slim McSauce said:

It is wrong. You can get boarded and lose in a handful of rounds with 0 repairs, doesn't mean it's the norm.

Boarding is broken, nothing else to say.

[Jack Jones]

15 hours ago, Stars and Stripes said:

In my experience I seldom see more that 2 repairs used in a battle. Rig or Hull.

Some of the ridiculous claims being made here are just exaggerated hype.

I carry just 3 x cycles because I need speed for hunting in OW.

If you cant end a fight with the current system then maybe you should look at yourself.

As a side note, most battles were inconclusive after many hours of fighting in real life, so NA is pretty much spot on with reality.

 

 

^this.

+1.

[Slim McSauce]

56 minutes ago, Flash Jack said:

^this.

+1.

Have fun being useless after you use all 3 of your repairs on a long journey.

[Sir Texas Sir]

2 minutes ago, Slim McSauce said:

Have fun being useless after you use all 3 of your repairs on a long journey.

And this is why when US does hostility half the guys run out repairs after the first or second mission and that is just againt AI.  They gotten better about it but some guys are still stubborn or wait until you mustering up to say, “I don’t have repairs or how many do I need?”

[William Death]

2 hours ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

And this is why when US does hostility half the guys run out repairs after the first or second mission and that is just againt AI.  They gotten better about it but some guys are still stubborn or wait until you mustering up to say, “I don’t have repairs or how many do I need?”

Its ok, apparently we're all incompetent noobs for carrying enough repairs to stick and stay and get some fighting done.

From the line of thought in this thread, pros can get by with 3-4 of each rep for an all-day PvP journey. I aspire to this level of greatness some day. 

Seriously though, half the time someone mentions repairs to me I tell them how much to carry (minimum 5x of each type) and they go "Ohh man, thats too much, too slow!" Yet I pretty much never get caught and have never, ever, since they introduced multi-reps, ran out. I've come close, but never run out.

[Sir Texas Sir]

4 minutes ago, William Death said:

Its ok, apparently we're all incompetent noobs for carrying enough repairs to stick and stay and get some fighting done.

From the line of thought in this thread, pros can get by with 3-4 of each rep for an all-day PvP journey. I aspire to this level of greatness some day. 

Seriously though, half the time someone mentions repairs to me I tell them how much to carry (minimum 5x of each type) and they go "Ohh man, thats too much, too slow!" Yet I pretty much never get caught and have never, ever, since they introduced multi-reps, ran out. I've come close, but never run out.

I think I only ran out once and the other guys didn't know it but i keep a med load except for grinding/hostilty.  I still think we should only be able to repair in Battle Sails or slower and that will fix the repair problem.  Well make it where they aren't just spammed as some one guys full sails.

[Old Crusty]

20 hours ago, Stars and Stripes said:

f you cant end a fight with the current system then maybe you should look at yourself.

Yes, because I am the only person in a battle with 8 3rd rates. 

[Angus MacDuff]

1 minute ago, Old Crusty said:

Yes, because I am the only person in a battle with 8 3rd rates. 

If you're alone against 8 ships, you're going to die (unless you are very fast).  That's not a repair issue.

[Old Crusty]

49 minutes ago, Angus MacDuff said:

If you're alone against 8 ships, you're going to die (unless you are very fast).  That's not a repair issue.

That’s not what I said

 

49 minutes ago, Angus MacDuff said:

If you're alone against 8 ships, you're going to die (unless you are very fast).  That's not a repair issue.

I think that you missed the sarcasm

[Stars and Stripes]

3 hours ago, Slim McSauce said:

Have fun being useless after you use all 3 of your repairs on a long journey.

I do thanks.

 

3 hours ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

And this is why when US does hostility half the guys run out repairs after the first or second mission and that is just againt AI. 

I specifically said OW hunting....try to read the posts before jumping on the bandwagon.

 

1 hour ago, William Death said:

Its ok, apparently we're all incompetent noobs for carrying enough repairs to stick and stay and get some fighting done.

Yeah well, I'm sure your 10 x rep carrying ship does 30knts in the open world.🤔

Some of us mortals don't have the uber books and do the best we can.

But wait......Oh yeah.....you stack your reps for dumping to get more speed. 😂😂😂😂 

Priceless.🙄

 

 

Edited October 30, 2018 by Stars and Stripes

[Sir Texas Sir]

6 minutes ago, Stars and Stripes said:

I specifically said OW hunting....try to read the posts before jumping on the bandwagon.

Was I talking to you?  I'm pretty sure I didn't quote you so I wasn't talking about you, but hay if your going to get all worked up about it than prob you are one of the ones that do it.  Though since your not using your in game name I have no clue who you are.

Yep double check I was talking to @William Death not you....but hay if the shoe fits.

[William Death]

3 hours ago, Stars and Stripes said:

Yeah well, I'm sure your 10 x rep carrying ship does 30knts in the open world.🤔

Some of us mortals don't have the uber books and do the best we can.

But wait......Oh yeah.....you stack your reps for dumping to get more speed. 😂😂😂😂 

Priceless.🙄

~30kn +, actually.  (but who knows really how fast that is, OW knotmeter is bouncy and unreliable for super-accurate readings).

I don't need the uber books to carry decent reps and hit ~30kn OW speed. I can take my fir frigates with just straight speed mods (bought from the Tortue shop) and go 30+ in OW. Yeah, you need the good stuff to do it with teak builds. But you can drop to a fir build to make up the difference. Thing is, if I drop to a fir build AND use my super books, I'll be faster still. But there's gotta be some upside to using expensive stuff and a paper boat at the same time. 

 

I don't get the gear envy, at least not for the stuff you can buy with PvP marks. It was just as challenging for me to get 300 PvP marks for loodsman as it is for you. I don't have a magic win button I press. Go. Earn. Marks. 

I do, however, understand the gear envy for the RNG stuff. That is a dumb system we have, that we already tested and found to be bad, yet we still have it... Moving on and dealing with it: grind AI and you'll get books...but thats boring. So buy the books--people in global chat are advertising books for sale all the time...but maybe gold or marks is the issue, in which case, "git gud" applies.

I stay perpetually broke (in terms of gold) from buying mods. But I have plenty of marks and purple and gold ships to show for my efforts so #worthit.

 

Yeah, I do dump reps if I want more speed. Nothing wrong with that. Better to have more than I need and dump them than have too few, get caught, and then not have reps to fight the battle with. For example, my Connie that does ~27kn a little south of beam reach in OW with 100+ hull reps in the hold will go even faster when I destroy some reps.

I think this is a case of "If it seems stupid but works, then its not stupid." Whatever minor cost in reps I may dump is well worth the ability to hunt longer. 

You keep laughing at it and sailing with too-few repairs, and I'll keep doing it and sinking players without fear of running out of reps. 

 

But far be it from me, if you like to handicap yourself with fewer reps, more power to ya and an easier target for me. You do you:

*sails ship with 3 reps* *gets in 1 battle and uses 1-2 reps to win the battle* *repairs some damage in OW and then has none left* *gets caught and sunk because has no reps* 

Priceless. 

 

4 hours ago, Coraline Vodka said:

Well to be fair you destoy reps as a oshit speed boost lol

I'll remember this comment next time we're hunting and you ask if anyone can spare a few hull reps. I'm gonna say, "No, I've got extra but I'ma hang onto them so I can destroy them later for the speed boost." 

In all seriousness though, it works and I won't be changing my strategy till it ceases to work. Admittedly, I used to carry fewer reps (5x hull and 5x sails), but once they changed the loot system so sunken ships don't yield all their cargo, I had to change strategy because I'm not about to play "deck guns-attack-last second defend" to end every battle.

[Stars and Stripes]

4 hours ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

Was I talking to you?  I'm pretty sure I didn't quote you so I wasn't talking about you, but hay if your going to get all worked up about it than prob you are one of the ones that do it.  Though since your not using your in game name I have no clue who you are.

Yep double check I was talking to @William Death not you....but hay if the shoe fits.

No. You were replying to @Slim McSauce who was commenting on @Flash Jack who was replying to me.

See. You did it again. 😁

But hey if you did not mean the way it looked then it's all good.

Edited October 30, 2018 by Stars and Stripes

[Stars and Stripes]

12 minutes ago, William Death said:

But far be it from me, if you like to handicap yourself with fewer reps, more power to ya and an easier target for me. You do you:

*sails ship with 3 reps* *gets in 1 battle and uses 1-2 reps to win the battle* *repairs some damage in OW and then has none left* *gets caught and sunk because has no reps* 

Priceless. 

Wow you really are a legend in your own mind lol.

How I sail is up to me.

If you need mass repairs as a crutch that's fine.

I don't.

I run a lot.

I pick my fights.

It's what I like to do.

The system is fine in my opinion.

 

[Hethwill, the Red Duke]

I got this...

No Repairs !

That's the other end of the stick. And it is also sharp.

[Angus MacDuff]

15 minutes ago, Hethwill the Red Duke said:

I got this...

No Repairs !

That's the other end of the stick. And it is also sharp.

^Love it!

[Sir Texas Sir]

4 hours ago, Stars and Stripes said:

No. You were replying to @Slim McSauce who was commenting on @Flash Jack who was replying to me.

See. You did it again. 😁

But hey if you did not mean the way it looked then it's all good.

Nope I'm pretty sure I was responding to @William Death some one that I have fought in the pass on diffrent sides, been clan mate and fought beside each other and now back to diffrent sides even though we haven't ran into each other yet (something about crazy work hours).  I'll even link my last post, but if it was anything before that and I was commenting on @Slim McSauce post that still has nothing to do with you.

 

2 hours ago, Coraline Vodka said:

I'm not making fun of you, just mentioned the tactic (which I use now thanks to your teachings)

Do ya'll still call him "Willis?"  Cause than that would be making fun of him.  As much as our play styles are different I do agree it works for @William Death, but we both play differently too just as I assume you do too.  Funny the other day we where chasing some one and I said in battle, "Burn any repairs if you got them cause it will give you a slight speed boost."  See he's even rubbed off on me too a bit, or it's just a logical tactic that can be used by both sides.