Surprise Buff

[Capn Rocko]

Suggestion is simple. The Herc and Requin are both destroying the Surprise in 1v1, lets give the Surprise some HP or something to be able to compete better. The Surprise is one of the most famous ships in the game and (aside from its sailing profile) it is one of the least desirable 5th rates and is rarely chosen by hunters anymore. Admin is already talking about rebalancing ships to make the Connie perform better, all I ask is that the Surprised is looked at too. 

[z4ys]

why not nerf herc

[Capn Rocko]

3 minutes ago, z4ys said:

why not nerf herc

Nerf requin too. IMO the Surprise should be Requin/Herc counter ship, but right now both ships melt the Surprise's HP. 

[Licinio Chiavari]

I agree in Hercules kicking out the Surprise: nimbler, shorter, fast and free.

Not about Requin: a carro surp kills a close range Requin in 2/3 broadsides.

And Requin cant "PPK" a decent Surprise: he'll tack keeping speed over 4-5 kts... Going on smashing requin side.

[HachiRoku]

35 minutes ago, Banished Privateer said:

@Capn Rocko got this wrong, any 5th rate destroys Surprise in 1v1 because of toothpaste masts. Hercules has same thick masts as Surprise, but much smaller and harder to hit.

so a Cerberus and Renomme also?

[Angus MacDuff]

1 hour ago, Banished Privateer said:

@Capn Rocko got this wrong, any 5th rate destroys Surprise in 1v1 because of toothpaste masts. Hercules has same thick masts as Surprise, but much smaller and harder to hit.

Tooth..PICK, mate.  It's toothpick masts.  I'm just here to help...

[Capn Rocko]

1 hour ago, Banished Privateer said:

@Capn Rocko got this wrong, any 5th rate destroys Surprise in 1v1 because of toothpaste masts. Hercules has same thick masts as Surprise, but much smaller and harder to hit.

Maybe still getting this wrong but doesn't ship thickness correspond to mast thickness?

[Capn Rocko]

1 hour ago, HachiRoku said:

so a Cerberus and Renomme also?

If you think so then suggest it 😀

[z4ys]

Any 5th rate gets destroyed by a herc. 

Turn bounce shoot. Herc is king. It's ridiculous to see 18pds bounce or 24pds off a turning herc....

Edited September 14, 2018 by z4ys

[Capn Rocko]

1 minute ago, Banished Privateer said:

I believe ship HP is linked to thickness and mast HP and mast thickness, seems like all of that is synced together.

So if my suggestion was to increase HP, that would mean mast thickness too. I wrote OP before I had my coffee this morning, I'll update later to make more clear. 

[William Death]

Just increase Surprise mast thickness some and she'll do fine. HP and hull thickness seem reasonable to me right now. But I won't sail a Surprise till I get a gold one (or 5 slot purple) so I can double stack Kiritimati and Elite French Rig, just so I can stand a chance of keeping my masts.

[sveno]

I would tend to wait until the Herc balancing is finished rather then starting to request all other ships to be buffed.

Balance besides the DLC ships aint too bad....

[SirAlatriste]

"The Surprise isn't an old one, is fast at set sails, beautiful and usefull well governed... Is definitely a good vessel" (More or less) - HMS Surprise's Captain, Jack Aubrey.

[HachiRoku]

3 hours ago, Banished Privateer said:

about Cerberus ask @z4ys or @PG Monkey (whoever uses it), but Renomee definitely beats Surprise if it's not kiting and running away. 

you can try.

[z4ys]

22 minutes ago, HachiRoku said:

you can try.

old memories

[HachiRoku]

14 minutes ago, z4ys said:

old memories

I'm sorry, I can't find the part where I am in the opposing ship :p 

[z4ys]

1 minute ago, HachiRoku said:

I'm sorry, I can't find the part where I am in the opposing ship 😛

was global tho But cerb is a nice ship and i would call her balanced between surprise reno. But herc screwed that up. Herc is a threat to any 5th.

Edited September 14, 2018 by z4ys

[Barbancourt]

9 hours ago, Banished Privateer said:

but Renomee definitely beats Surprise if it's not kiting and running away. 

It does?  I had trouble controlling the Renault efficiently when the new sailing physics started, and gave up on it at the time.  However, I made a new one yesterday to experience some Renommee nostalgia.  It isn't too much of a lightweight?

[HachiRoku]

9 hours ago, z4ys said:

was global tho But cerb is a nice ship and i would call her balanced between surprise reno. But herc screwed that up. Herc is a threat to any 5th.

i am not disagreeing that its a good ship. I am telling sruPL that a suprise is not the weakest 5th rate. 

[Capn Rocko]

I would sail Reno over Surprise in this meta. Cerb is best for fighting other Cerbs 😀

[Aster]

The diana after the last patch is pretty good vs a herc.