Guilty

[Hethwill, the Red Duke]

August 1746, ship under command of Captain Clymer taken by two spanish Xebecs in the West Indies.

( i am certain, with sarcasm, that this was such a rare occurrence that it became a footnote on the London Gazette )

Let us see a yankee privateer...

1779 General Wayne. Pennsylvania xebec. Guns: 3. Crew: Aug. 31 70. Bond: $10,000. Master: Robert Collings.
Bonders: John Hazel Wood, Philadelphia. William Allibone, Philadelphia.
Owners: John Hazel Wood, William Allibone & Co., Philadelphia. Witness: James Trimble.

 

C'mon guys, we can go the entire day finding xebecs in the west indies and colonies. Same as any other rig type used by european powers.

Happens is that Le Requin is a big ass xebec, but still smaller than the El Gamo.

[Christendom]

30 minutes ago, Sea Fox said:

A person losing a (and the precious precious Gollum precious mods) is hard on a clan members but devastating for the solo Hunter. The clan guy has other people (sometimes people that are under him in the clan that he can skim off of) to rely on.

Fleet ships have kept me alive more times than I can count. If you Fleet fir renos you can do 30 plus open world

If you are sailing fleet Reno’s with a LGV refit as your main ship you fundamentally do not understand wind profiles.  Which explains why you rely on them.  And probably farming marks.  Ditch the fleet, get better perks and learn the ropes.  PVP marks are incredibly easy to get.  

ROVER does not strike me as a clan with a ship line that pumps out stuff for its members nor do they need to be.  Join a different one if you want that luxury.  Also the DLC ships are perfect for solo players in your predicament.  This mindset that you don’t have the resources to expend on ships to lose them without worry clashes with your clan choices and when you were in the US, your desire to do your own thing.  That mindset is the primary reason why the US is such easy prey and will never get their act together.  The refusal to join larger clans and organize ship lines just flat out astonished me while in the US.  Even yesterday as we were sinking US players on the way to a shallow battle a couple were in oak/oak rattlers.

Here in VCO we can maybe field 15 on a good day calling in the banners and forcing our dutchies to stay up late.  Maybe 3/4 out of those 15 handle the Econ side of things and we give out refits/mods/ships to everyone in the clan.  The amount of effort it took to farm that alt is about as much energy we expend outside of hauling to make crafting work.  It’s just laziness.

 

Edited September 4, 2018 by Christendom

[Sea Fox]

13 minutes ago, Christendom said:

If you are sailing fleet Reno’s with a LGV refit as your main ship you fundamentally do not understand wind profiles.  Which explains why you rely on them.  And probably farming marks.  Ditch the fleet, get better perks and learn the ropes.  PVP marks are incredibly easy to get.  

ROVER does not strike me as a clan with a ship line that pumps out stuff for its members nor do they need to be.  Join a different one if you want that luxury.  Also the DLC ships are perfect for solo players in your predicament.  This mindset that you don’t have the resources to expend on ships to lose them without worry clashes with your clan choices and when you were in the US, your desire to do your own thing.  That mindset is the primary reason why the US is such easy prey and will never get their act together.  The refusal to join larger clans and organize ship lines just flat out astonished me while in the US.  Even yesterday as we were sinking US players on the way to a shallow battle a couple were in oak/oak rattlers.

Here in VCO we can maybe field 15 on a good day calling in the banners and forcing our dutchies to stay up late.  Maybe 3/4 out of those 15 handle the Econ side of things and we give out refits/mods/ships to everyone in the clan.  The amount of effort it took to farm that alt is about as much energy we expend outside of hauling to make crafting work.  It’s just laziness.

 

Actually I completely understand all wind profiles. 

you trying to tell me what ships to have in fleets demonstrates that you fundamentally do not understand Fleet ships. A Reno and a belle poule are two of the best picks for Fleet ships

They sail better than others as a fleet. The Reno is faster and can keep up behind me blocking all tag shots from my pursuers while firing chain Stern shots (limitlessly)

Your use of the word "we" when trying to tell me how to play the game like you do further demonstrates your inability to grasp what I'm saying in the post in that I am a solo player and there is no "we" there is "I". 

I don't want to play the game like you do I can't play the game like you do. if you would like to strip yourself of your clan and your friends and individually play the game completely solo then I will listen to any advice you have on how to take out three pursuing ships. In the meantime you and to five or even 10 of your buddies can hop in some endys or any ship of your choice and you will not catch me I can promise you.

Edited September 4, 2018 by Sea Fox

[z4ys]

15 minutes ago, Christendom said:

ROVER does not strike me as a clan with a ship line that pumps out stuff for its members nor do they need to be.

We have to resorted to eating our horses. Local merchants deny us equipment, assistance. They only take cash and no pvp marks 😉

 

[Christendom]

2 minutes ago, Sea Fox said:

Actually I completely understand all wind profiles. 

you trying to tell me what ships to have in fleets demonstrates that you fundamentally do not understand Fleet ships. A Reno and a belle poule are two of the best picks for Fleet ships

They sail better than others as a fleet. The Reno is faster and can keep up behind me blocking all tag shots from my pursuers while firing chain Stern shots (limitlessly)

Your use of the word "we" when trying to tell me how to play the game like you do further demonstrates your inability to grasp what I'm saying in the post in that I am a solo player and there is no "we" there is "I". 

I don't want to play the game like you do I can't play the game like you do. if you would like to strip yourself of your clan and your friends and individually play the game completely solo then I will listen to any advice you have on how to take out three pursuing ships. In the meantime you and to five or even 10 of your buddies can hop in some endys or any ship of your choice and you will not catch me I can promise you.

Laugh   

The sailing profile of the Reno vs the LGV refit will make you slower on the OW.  Just an FYI.  Like if you were to put a lynx in fleet.  You obviously aren’t getting any kills with your LGV and fleet ships, so enjoy running I guess.  Meanwhile I’ll continue to achieve better results with my methods without farming.

I quite frankly don’t care what you do.  Continue to exhibit the aforementioned US player mindset I just described.  Don’t improve.  You’ve been given good suggestions by several players here.  Don’t learn from them, keep doing what you do.  I / We are not the ones that got caught alt farming and then made a post trying to justify why we do it because of gank fleets and ship costs.  Fact of the matter is you are unable to get your marks one way and had to resort to a different method.  Adapt or don’t, I don’t care.  If ROVER hasn’t already kicked you maybe they can beat sense into you.

We’re done here.  Best of luck 

[Elric]

Like others have said - the PvP zones give easy PvP marks - 3-10 PvP marks without much effort, 20+ comfortably, 30+ spending some time. 

Also, considering how ridiculously easy it is in this game to get gold - you can buy all the PvP marks you'll ever need...100k-150k is the typical price - and most players can make several million in gold a day without much effort.  So you can buy 100+ PvP marks a week if you apply yourself (and not cheat).

As to running fleet ships with an LGV Refit - as already mentioned, you are clearly not understanding your fleet ships are slowing you down.  My LGV refit will hit 15.4 in battle - and there's no fleet ship worth having that will sail close to that in OW.

[Sea Fox]

1 hour ago, Christendom said:

Laugh   

The sailing profile of the Reno vs the LGV refit will make you slower on the OW.  Just an FYI.  Like if you were to put a lynx in fleet.  You obviously aren’t getting any kills with your LGV and fleet ships, so enjoy running I guess.  Meanwhile I’ll continue to achieve better results with my methods without farming.

I quite frankly don’t care what you do.  Continue to exhibit the aforementioned US player mindset I just described.  Don’t improve.  You’ve been given good suggestions by several players here.  Don’t learn from them, keep doing what you do.  I / We are not the ones that got caught alt farming and then made a post trying to justify why we do it because of gank fleets and ship costs.  Fact of the matter is you are unable to get your marks one way and had to resort to a different method.  Adapt or don’t, I don’t care.  If ROVER hasn’t already kicked you maybe they can beat sense into you.

We’re done here.  Best of luck 

Mixed matched sailing profiles won't mean shit when you're being chased by three guys from a super Clan with navy clocks and copper plating.... You're going to be tagged, period (newbies even know this so should you) 

Going up against three or four guys from a super Clan in a ship with no or few mods (precious mods - Gollum) is suicide. Even newbies know this

And please reread the original post. Read it slowly this time, get help with the big words if you need to it's okay.

I don't have time to play in a group for 4 hours at a time or to play the game 8 hours a day. None of this is justification for farming that is what I said

I offer this in discussion to help the game attract more players. You have a group play style that's good for you that works for you I can't tell you how to do that because I'm unable to do it. the game will grow if there is a diverse player base with everybody doing their own thing instead of everyone doing it Chrisendoms way. that's the point I'm offering as a tester of the game. My style works for me your style works for you you're right we're done

See you on the water

PS 

If my sailing profile,ship and fleet suck so bad, you were in a Wasa why didn't you come get me? Nevermind I know the answer

[Sea Fox]

7 minutes ago, Elric said:

Like others have said - the PvP zones give easy PvP marks - 3-10 PvP marks without much effort, 20+ comfortably, 30+ spending some time. 

Also, considering how ridiculously easy it is in this game to get gold - you can buy all the PvP marks you'll ever need...100k-150k is the typical price - and most players can make several million in gold a day without much effort.  So you can buy 100+ PvP marks a week if you apply yourself (and not cheat).

As to running fleet ships with an LGV Refit - as already mentioned, you are clearly not understanding your fleet ships are slowing you down.  My LGV refit will hit 15.4 in battle - and there's no fleet ship worth having that will sail close to that in OW.

I've heard this said countless times about making millions a day. I guess I've never been taught how to trade that well. But if you'd like to give me some pointers other than Buy Low sell High I'd love to hear them. It's hard to learn when you're not in a clan. I've only recently joined the clan I'm in and I have learned loads in just a few short conversations and I know I would learn even more if I ever had the opportunity to sail with any of them. 

[HachiRoku]

4 hours ago, Sea Fox said:

That being said, I do have a question as a tester of this game. When game is finally released who will be policing the PVP Mark system? If it will go unpoliced then the system is broken and must be fixed. 

No way of policing it imo.... I have never done this but I am willing to bet I would find a way to farm 3-4 ships a day without gaining suspicion. When I actively hunted I would get an average of 40-80 marks a day. Who would think to check if I farmed 2-3 extra alts ships doing it? I hate the mark system because there is no way it can be policed if there are ever more players playing. If the devs want to write a program that polices it I guess they could but there would be bans and warnings to a system that shouldn't really be necessary. 

What do you all use marks for??? I burn them on connies or bellonas. Easier to craft them then farm I would assume.

[HachiRoku]

Also, Ill openly admit I wouldn't even bother reporting people for farming marks. I don't really care about it. The way people go crying on forums is childish. Who cares if some noob farms marks, let them have them. I don't even view it as exploiting. As long as that person doesn't gain the upper hand in battle against me you can farm all you like. I won't make friends with this statement I know but I'm already disliked quite alot. 

[Iroquois Confederacy]

I just cannot find sympathy for someone who says solo sailing is impossible.  I have an entire thread of gazettes dedicated to it   I still sail solo 95% of the time, as my own schedule only permits a couple hours at a time.

Loss is real, but AI ships for replacements and a willingness to hunt less frequented waters makes it extremely possible to be a solo PvPer.

[HachiRoku]

9 minutes ago, Iroquois Confederacy said:

I just cannot find sympathy for someone who says solo sailing is impossible.  I have an entire thread of gazettes dedicated to it   I still sail solo 95% of the time, as my own schedule only permits a couple hours at a time.

Loss is real, but AI ships for replacements and a willingness to hunt less frequented waters makes it extremely possible to be a solo PvPer.

solo sailing is really the best way to get marks if you find the area. 

[Christendom]

40 minutes ago, Sea Fox said:

Mixed matched sailing profiles won't mean shit when you're being chased by three guys from a super Clan with navy clocks and copper plating.... You're going to be tagged, period (newbies even know this so should you) 

Going up against three or four guys from a super Clan in a ship with no or few mods (precious mods - Gollum) is suicide. Even newbies know this

And please reread the original post. Read it slowly this time, get help with the big words if you need to it's okay.

I don't have time to play in a group for 4 hours at a time or to play the game 8 hours a day. None of this is justification for farming that is what I said

I offer this in discussion to help the game attract more players. You have a group play style that's good for you that works for you I can't tell you how to do that because I'm unable to do it. the game will grow if there is a diverse player base with everybody doing their own thing instead of everyone doing it Chrisendoms way. that's the point I'm offering as a tester of the game. My style works for me your style works for you you're right we're done

See you on the water

PS 

If my sailing profile,ship and fleet suck so bad, you were in a Wasa why didn't you come get me? Nevermind I know the answer

Mythical super clan guys don't exist on the east coast, where you were caught farming marks.  14knt ships downwind are usually enough to get you out of most situations.  

A half assed discussion where you say you admit farming your alts but then blame it on super gank fleets and a poor system is not a good thread to help improve the game.

I previously wrote up my lengths to solo PVP.  It's possible and in most cases preferable to appropriately safe zone gank.  

If you read the actual tribunal post I detailed why I ended up not following your pirate alt.  

Also a pirate frigate and a wasa look nothing alike.   lol

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All I see here are excuses why you can't generate your marks legitimately.  To use a line from the great @King of Crowns, Sucks to suck.  You are unwilling to listen to advice, which makes you a waste of time.  God bless ROVERs if they keep you around.  

toodles

[Sea Fox]

17 minutes ago, Iroquois Confederacy said:

I just cannot find sympathy for someone who says solo sailing is impossible.  I have an entire thread of gazettes dedicated to it   I still sail solo 95% of the time, as my own schedule only permits a couple hours at a time.

Loss is real, but AI ships for replacements and a willingness to hunt less frequented waters makes it extremely possible to be a solo PvPer.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. I'm not looking for sympathy. I do PVP alone and them successful. You just have to do as you say above. My point is always been that there should be more things to attract solo players that's all. 

 

[Bluetooth]

Solo sailing is where my heart is. It's the best hunt. I am a roleplayer at heart.

For solo I usually sail  a xebec now because it opens up my escape options. And as you know solo hunting means running a lot!

(I am a Pirate Muslim Barbary convert and I also sell carpets and slippers).

If I hunt the US coast or some area without free ports I sometimes take a fast trader lynx with a few reps in to allow me to stay at sea for a couple of days or so. (Xebec-Uboat).

Otherwise a fleet is a crutch imho.

I have never alt farmed, just would not want to waste my time on it really. But I would say don't beat yourself up over it,

Many players have done and do this.

Not much difference to having 5 ALTS fishing all night on auto pilot for bottles imo.

Just try and get back to enjoy the awesome game/life that is N.A.. 😁

Edited September 5, 2018 by Crow

[HachiRoku]

12 hours ago, Christendom said:

If you read the actual tribunal post I detailed why I ended up not following your pirate alt.  

Stop Snitching on people in tribunal and chat logs. 

[Percival Merewether]

13 hours ago, Sea Fox said:

Mixed matched sailing profiles won't mean shit when you're being chased by three guys from a super Clan with navy clocks and copper plating.... You're going to be tagged, period (newbies even know this so should you) 

Why do I never meet these super ships? I would love to loot some  Naval clocks more often.

Jokes aside - when you finally meet one of these super ships, they are alone 90% of the time. If they are not alone - the players sailing these "Super ships" are more than likely to give you a 1v1 while the two others look for other ships to hunt. That is my experience at least.

EDIT: remember that a T/T super speed modded ship is inferior to an Oak/Oak with combat oriented books in a 1v1.

Edited September 5, 2018 by Percival Merewether

[Licinio Chiavari]

43 minutes ago, Percival Merewether said:

EDIT: remember that a T/T super speed modded ship is inferior to an Oak/Oak with combat oriented books in a 1v1.

Speed is not used to be superior 1v1.

Speed is needed to choose: if fight, when fight, how long fight.

So it'll keep being the hearth of any solo raider.

[Percival Merewether]

4 minutes ago, Licinio Chiavari said:

Speed is not used to be superior 1v1.

Speed is needed to choose: if fight, when fight, how long fight.

So it'll keep being the hearth of any solo raider.

You are missing the point again my dear friend..... I sail T/T speed modded ships solo all the time.

Read and understand both posts....  He claims that they will catch him no matter what - if that truly is his problem, then he should outfit himself for a fight rather than a run. In general though, what I have learned is that if you chase a ship, they will run - and if you run they will chase.

PvP is very psychological - if you make your opponent think that you are better, then you've already won.

[Sea Fox]

1 hour ago, Percival Merewether said:

You are missing the point again my dear friend..... I sail T/T speed modded ships solo all the time.

Read and understand both posts....  He claims that they will catch him no matter what - if that truly is his problem, then he should outfit himself for a fight rather than a run. In general though, what I have learned is that if you chase a ship, they will run - and if you run they will chase.

PvP is very psychological - if you make your opponent think that you are better, then you've already won.

I personally have never figured out how to outfit a ship to win against 3 to 5 pursuers

[Licinio Chiavari]

1 minute ago, Sea Fox said:

I personally have never figured out how to outfit a ship to win against 3 to 5 pursuers

Easy: being faster.

[Licinio Chiavari]

1 hour ago, Percival Merewether said:

PvP is very psychological - if you make your opponent think that you are better, then you've already won.

I know pretty well. And I lost some Requins overconfident of my uncatchability aura. 😂😂

[z4ys]

2 hours ago, Percival Merewether said:

PvP is very psychological - if you make your opponent think that you are better, then you've already won.

First part I agree. PvP is very psychological. But...

Better is to make your opponent think he is better, then you've already won.

Why? An opponent that thinks he has the advantage ...

• does not run
• makes bad decisions in the long run.
• you dont rely on speed

 

 

[Percival Merewether]

1 minute ago, Wraith said:

Right up until that O/O ship loses its first mast.  

Assuming that the T/T ship keeps its masts - there nothing preventing you from using a french rig on the O/O ship.

Edited September 5, 2018 by Percival Merewether

[Jim Beamreach]

21 hours ago, Sea Fox said:

I have over 5000 in this game and have played for over two and a half years. So I do have time invested. 

PS

if even one half of that time had been spent alt farming there would have been no need to farm anymore 

What no time to get in a group with +5000h. That means you played every day over 5h and try to tell us you got no time to get some mates and group up with others. 

I got a Familiy must go Work have a Garden and a House and even with this thinks i managed over the last 2 and a half years to spend 2.5h a day for the game. I dont know where you come from that in NA are no players from your Region/Land Country whatever are. 

In the end i dont care about your farming but you shoud have know better with +5k/h in the game that you will reseve a punishment for alt-farming.

You did it you stand for what you did Case-Closed.