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Patch 26. Spanish Frigate Diana, BR rebalance - Diana is a timed reward.

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Teutonic Post Captain

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27 minutes ago, OjK said:

Vic need to be even more reduced,

Bellona will be new Pavel, as there will be no point in taking it over Buc, or 3rd rate (where You can have 3x 3rd Rates for each 2 Bellonas)

Way too much wrong decisions, based not on the ship itself, but the "alternatives".
What we changed? Just different alternatives, which makes other choices absolutely wrong (R.I.P Bellona)

 

This doesn't change the performance of the ship so in the OW a Bellona will still be a prime ship.

I forsee screen fleets will look radically different to port battle fleets (i know a screen fleet may just be 1st rates still though)

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3 minutes ago, Cmdr RideZ said:

..if you used OW PvP statistics as well, not sure if that gives the best balance for Port Battles.

 

 

how can you use something to calc BR when its not used in pbs :P

vazco Commander

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12 minutes ago, qw569 said:

The new system is vulnerable.

A group of skillful players can raise BR of any ship. Especially if she is not popular.

As we see in the Le Gross Ventre Refit example (+70BR).

I know what you mean. If automated, it would be vulnerable because it's based on OW PvP and PB's, instead of only PB's. This way you can use PvP to influence PB's. If it was based on PB's only and usage statistics only, it would not be vulnerable. The same skilled players will raise BR of a ship - true, however this will give them and others higher incentive to create a different PB composition the next battle.

 

Right now system is not vulnerable though, as data is reviewed manually by devs.

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21 minutes ago, z4ys said:

how can you use something to calc BR when its not used in pbs :P

Extremely easily. If it's not used, decrease it's BR gradually, until it is :) 

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Teutonic Post Captain

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3 minutes ago, Cmdr RideZ said:

BR values are used for PB only. The new BR values, if you used OW PvP statistics as well, not sure if that gives the best balance for Port Battles.

The only way to balance ships for OW PvP is to change other stats.

Diversity is good for PBs, you could also consider adding Rate limits.

The new br also balances the patrol zones as a side affect actually.

That being it may now limit what can enter.

Nassau patrol has a 1k br limit iirc. May be interesting to see how it plays out with new herc and requin BR.

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I am not saying that BR values were all ok, definitely there was need for change.

1000BR  = 4xAggy vs 3xEndy

What do you think guys?

I understand that first iteration may not be the best but recommend that they follow and do fast iteration now.

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Delete all your meta ships for PB, craft the ones you never touched before and fill the PBs with them!

Actually well done to reduce the numbers needed to fill a PB that way, will solve a few issues of low pop.

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1 hour ago, admin said:

We expect that diversity will increase in port battles (...)

I'm all for that!

But I'm just afraid You're fixing it in the wrong way. Some ships were just useless, and that's why they were not used - big minority though
Most of others, simply had no point taking, if under similar BR points You could have had something much better
It wasn't the problem of the ships, but more like BR to power ratio.


That's why Bellona kicked out any 4th rates out - difference in points were not equal to difference in possibilities. That's why Victories were gone also - cause instead of 515 for Vic, You could have bring equally strong Bucentaure, with a saving of 65 points. Etc. etc.

So as long as I cheer for those kind of changes, to see variety of ships in PB now (one of best examples is finally having L'Ocean higher rated than Santi) but You also managed to slip through some terrible choices, which might sabotage any potential diversity.

Why? Let's take a quick look:


BELLONA: 
From a must have, it's now absolutely obsolete ship. For exact same points You can bring over a Bucentaure or a Pavel with additional save of 50 points!
Or if You want a lighter approach - You can just spam 3rd rates - which are just a bit worse (marginal) but cost 2/3 of Bellona's price. 
Bellona's will be gone from PB's unless Buc/Pavel will be increased, and 3rd rate will be much improved (or kicked from the game as its barely a twin ship)

VICTORY:
Still obsolete. With just 20 points difference with Santi, noone's gonna go for it.

AGAMEMNONS:
Totally opposite. The ship that used to be skipped simply because You could have much powerfull Bellona for merely 65 points difference will be now ruling all over. Cause with 250 BR it will just simply wreck any 5th rate... And in 2v1 it will take out Bellona which costs the same...

ENDYMION:
Expect to disappear as well. For just 10 points more You could take Constitution. Or save 80 and pick Aggie!




We could go with this on and on.

Just don't fix the previous mistakes with making exact some one, but on different ships, please!

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NethrosDefectus Lieutenant

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1 hour ago, admin said:

in the new port interface 
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Should "Sail Away" not be "Undock" or "Embark"?

I see you are not actually docked at the port in that screenshot, ignore me.

Also, is the chat interface going to change at all with the UI?

 

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7 minutes ago, Banished Privateer said:

I was always hoping that "port view" will include some part of the city with markets etc., not just sea view.

same, hoping like more of a age of empires menu type of thing

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Tom Farseer Lieutenant

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Cross-Post:
I created a Suggestion topic for a way to aquire meaningful data sets for BR calculation:

Let me (and the devs!) know what you think about it.

Sir Texas Sir Commodore

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2 hours ago, admin said:

tomorrow. i think its wind curve is slightly broken, did not merge properly or something.

Yah just took a Teak/Wo one out and tagged an Renni and I was so easly able to turn even at creep through irons and such.   I didn't take it for a run but seems she was a bit to agile it felt for a ship of her kind.

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