Patch 26. Spanish Frigate Diana, BR rebalance - Diana is a timed reward.

[admin]

Just now, Powderhorn said:

Is this process automated, or are BRs manually adjusted?

user feedback, stats, data - designer reviews it and proposes changes. We will let current BR run for a week or two.

[OjK]

3 minutes ago, admin said:

then ships stats definitely need to be addressed. 

Well Agamemnons 250 is absolutely not understandable with Endymion's 330...

[Jim Beamreach]

What BR got the Snow im at work can not check for the next 8-9h?

[Liq]

On 8/28/2018 at 12:57 PM, Liq said:

I think it would be wise to inform the community about the planned BRs for each ship and allow discussion. Else one or two ships might get underrated by a lot and thus spammed as the new meta in PBs. And there will be more crying and work for you to adjust the BRs, again.

Heh...

[admin]

Just now, Liq said:

Heh...

You can take a lead create a new topic and post a table . Would be awesome as we dont have enough hands on deck. 

[Angus MacDuff]

2 minutes ago, OjK said:

Well Agamemnons 250 is absolutely not understandable with Endymion's 330...

Usage

[z4ys]

teak teak / nothing in hold

Fake windows ❤️ will other ships get them as well instead of the full glass ones? like trinc? coni?

[Lovec1990]

4 minutes ago, admin said:

tomorrow. i think its wind curve is slightly broken, did not merge properly or something.

it is in port my max speed is 12,37kn in battle at 105-135 i can easily exced 13kn max i reached 13,8

[admin]

7 minutes ago, OjK said:

Well Agamemnons 250 is absolutely not understandable with Endymion's 330...

We had to to limit (we mentioned it in the patchnotes) limit the changes in battle ratings to not break old pve missions for players. True pvp rating for aga is even lower. Its basically at least 2x worse than constitution/endymion in terms of pvp performance.

[Teutonic]

2 minutes ago, admin said:

You can take a lead and post a table

And keep the 900 br spread @Liq ❤️

[admin]

Just now, Lovec1990 said:

it is in port my max speed is 12,37kn in battle at 105-135 i can easily exced 13kn max i reached 13,8

yes. one wind stat did not merge properly to servers. Will be fixed tomorrow. Its wind curve will resemble trincomalee.

[Angus MacDuff]

3 minutes ago, z4ys said:

teak teak / nothing in hold

Fake windows ❤️ will other ships get them as well instead of the full glass ones? like trinc? coni?

Show us the speed after you put the heaviest guns on her.

[OjK]

1 minute ago, admin said:

We had to to limit (we mentioned it in the patchnotes) limit the changes in battle ratings to not break old pve missions for players. True pvp rating for aga is even lower. 

Well, the problem with usage of Agamemnon was not the ship performance but the alternatives.

If it was 300 BR, You'd prefer to take Bellona with 360 - this is the reason why Aggie was skipped. Not because it was a bad ship.

I don't mind having now week or two Aggie-Festival cause it's really nice ship.

I just know it's gonna break the balance very quickly

[Liq]

Just now, Teutonic said:

And keep the 900 br spread @Liq ❤️

At work currently so not doing that right now. 

But anyone could do that.

Might get even heard then if someone else does it. you know.. Having made a thread with Close to 100 voters of which 90% voted for a change, and there being no reply, kind of makes you think why even bother.

[z4ys]

Just now, Oberon74 said:

Show us the speed after you put the heaviest guns on her.

to late i put already mods on it but guess will be around 11.5 to 12

[NethrosDefectus]

42pd Carros on the Gun deck? A bit much surely?

[Percival Merewether]

9 minutes ago, OjK said:

Well Agamemnons 250 is absolutely not understandable with Endymion's 330...

Definately crazy - but makes sense using the current statistics.. I'm sure that it will rebalance fast once the new system gets going.

@admin, is this new system dynamic so it changes from day-to-day? Or will you (The devs) have to manually adjust with each new patch?

[Angus MacDuff]

Just now, NethrosDefectus said:

42pd Carros on the Gun deck? A bit much surely?

Beast mode

[admin]

1 minute ago, Oberon74 said:

Beast mode

the gun composition is under review. But we incline to reduce it to howitzers (edinorogs). So enjoy while it lasts.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Percival Merewether said:

Definately crazy - but makes sense using the current statistics.. I'm sure that it will rebalance fast once the new system gets going.

@admin, is this new system dynamic so it changes from day-to-day? Or will you (The devs) have to manually adjust with each new patch?

if possible, I would prefer it to update maybe once a week automatically, so we dont have the same meta for maybe a month at the time

Maybe in sync when the week starts after the Victory Marks are handed out would be a good solution to do more things at the same time.

Edited August 29, 2018 by Guest
sync with VM

[Percival Merewether]

1 minute ago, Wyy said:

if possible, I would prefer it to update maybe once a week automatically, so we dont have the same meta for maybe a month at the time

That'd be cool

[z4ys]

Pavel = 400

Bellona = 450

Le requin = 160

Diana = 220

Wappen = 250

Aga = 250

Victory = 780

Trinc = 300

Prince = 110

Indiaman = 165

Essex = 165

Endy = 330

Rattlesnake = 70

Buc = 460

Trader Lynx = 20

Mbrig = 80

Niagara = 80

LGV refit = 220

Herc = 220

Wasa = 450

Santisima = 800

L'Ocean = 900

Belle Poule = 170

Rattlesnake heavy 90

Constitution = 340

Indefatigable = 220

Ingermanland = 230

 

Edited August 29, 2018 by z4ys

[z4ys]

3 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

Wasa 450. Which I dont understand because it is not so good as Bellona.

K/D ratio of the the time wasa was op^^

[admin]

17 minutes ago, Liq said:

 

Might get even heard then if someone else does it. you know.. Having made a thread with Close to 100 voters of which 90% voted for a change, and there being no reply, kind of makes you think why even bother.

You should not get discouraged about it. We focus on priorities. Once we get to ROE it will be reviewed. But now we are more interested in other things. 

[DeRuyter]

17 hours ago, admin said:

Once all of definitions of obusier including newly introduced "obus" will be properly checked by @Sella22 @Malachi @Fluffy Fishy and many other volunteer researchers we will be able to properly define her gun composition. If enough evidence is provided that obusiers are spanish carronades obusier vaisseau, not french short pattern guns canon obusiers, we will fix the composition. 

One concern though. Previously when history interfered with gameplay and balance we picked history (always). 
Ask any active player and he already hopes diana will be his favorite pvp ship. Until some hardcore historians will ask to ignore balance and turn her into a useless brick. Just like all other medium and light 5th rates. Honest opinion - dont bash us for it - this year we pick balance. History must balance with gameplay - there is no other option as it is a multiplayer game. Balanced by cost, or speed or turning, or rareness. 

 

Variable wind speed and weather conditions can also help bring balance and depth to the ships in game, just sayn' 😉  (and draft too can't forget that!)

Looking forward to the upcoming patches though thanks.