USS Constitution viability / performance and updated model

[Njord]

I haven't played NA in a while and want to know how viable constitution is in the current patch. Did it get a buff meanwhile or is it still rather underwhelming? Last time I played it, it was okay but not even close to living up to its legendary reputation. Superfrigate or not with that turnrate and speed I might aswell play a Bellona ( from the stats it had last time I checked ). It is not like the somewhat decent thickness of armor matters when it does not have a curved hull or even the turnrate to make use of it. What is the role of the Constitution in the current version and is it worth sailing over just spamming DLC ships? 

Also, what happened to its model update? Wasn't it supposed to get a better model since it has one of the oldest models in the game?

Thank you, captains.

[Lovec1990]

4 minutes ago, Sovereign said:

I haven't played NA in a while and want to know how viable constitution is in the current patch. Did it get a buff meanwhile or is it still rather underwhelming? Last time I played it, it was okay but not even close to living up to its legendary reputation. Superfrigate or not with that turnrate and speed I might aswell play a Bellona ( from the stats it had last time I checked ). It is not like the somewhat decent thickness of armor matters when it does not have a curved hull or even the turnrate to make use of it. What is the role of the Constitution in the current version and is it worth sailing over just spamming DLC ships? 

Also, what happened to its model update? Wasn't it supposed to get a better model since it has one of the oldest models in the game?

Thank you, captains.

Constitution at the moment is useless but faster than bellona based on stats but umoded Teak/wo Constitution cannot achive 12kn with cannons. Yes new updated version is in work we also had a picture of new ingame model but not full reveal

Edited August 25, 2018 by Lovec1990

[Lovec1990]

Here is the image

[Njord]

1 minute ago, Lovec1990 said:

Constitution at the moment is useless but faster than bellona based on stats but umoded Teak/wo Constitution cannot achive 12kn with cannons.

Yeah, the minor speed advantage isn't worth trading the insane broadside difference tho...

2 minutes ago, Lovec1990 said:

Yes new updated version is in work we also had a picture of new ingame model but not full reveal

Good to hear. I hope by the time they have it finished, the Constitution does not only look pretty but is actually worth sailing.

[Lovec1990]

3 minutes ago, Sovereign said:

Yeah, the minor speed advantage isn't worth trading the insane broadside difference tho...

Constitution should not be strong enough too surivive or win broadside exchange with lineships, but she needs alittle speed buff

 

3 minutes ago, Sovereign said:

Good to hear. I hope by the time they have it finished, the Constitution does not only look pretty but is actually worth sailing.

I only hope devs will make Constitution usefull again

Edited August 25, 2018 by Lovec1990

[Njord]

1 minute ago, Lovec1990 said:

Constitution should not be strong enough too surivive or win broadside exchange with lineships

Yeah, what I mean is why would I sail a constitution over a Bellona... of course the Bellona should beat Constitution and Bellona should be the queen of the seas. I am only saying Constituion does not seem viable at all with the other options I have in ships.

 

3 minutes ago, Lovec1990 said:

but she needs alittle speed buff

 

Yeah, minor speed buff and the curved hull would help make her more viable and still balanced. Then the turnrate would be justified and its weakness would be being outmaneuvered. I mean last time I checked its turnrate was comparable to a 2nd or 1st rate....

 

 

[Lovec1990]

1 minute ago, Sovereign said:

Yeah, minor speed buff and the curved hull would help make her more viable and still balanced. Then the turnrate would be justified and its weakness would be being outmaneuvered. I mean last time I checked its turnrate was comparable to a 2nd or 1st rate....

On why sailing Constitution over Bellona atm there is no point Constitution is useless even 4th rate ships are more usefull atm.

if curved hull will better bounce shots so Armor HP could be lowered to 6200 and alittle speed buff added 

[Njord]

1 hour ago, Lovec1990 said:

On why sailing Constitution over Bellona atm there is no point Constitution is useless even 4th rate ships are more usefull atm.

[Fluffy Fishy]

6 hours ago, Lovec1990 said:

Constitution should not be strong enough too surivive or win broadside exchange with lineships, but she needs alittle speed buff

Constitution is pretty strong as a ship, she's pretty much an under gunned 3rd rate. Her sides are 1'8", she should have a slightly tougher structure not less with a little bit more speed and a bit less turning. She should compare fairly well to Indefatigable, where in comparison Constitution should have fairly similar stats, but slightly more thickness, be a little faster and a fair bit worse on the turn, with a slightly higher armament.

Part of the problem is that Constitution has a huge following, and because of that she has a massive lobby force, who aren't always very well informed about her as a ship itself and who seem to want her to be some kind of god ship where as realistically in both history and game design she is/was a bit of a stick out issue being somewhat in a strange place overall, when looking at the other ships around her with her closest comparisons being the 50 gun SoLs and heavier razees, not the frigates she's most often compared to. These ships are also something we don't have in the game at present or particularly likely to gain in the near future.

Edited August 25, 2018 by Fluffy Fishy

[Urchin]

Requin,Requin,Requin,Requin,Herc,Requin,Requin,Herc,Bellona,Requin,Requin,Herc,Herc,Bellona,Bellona.....  So many beautiful great ship models, shame that's all that has become of it. And mod stacking.

 

[Fenris]

1 hour ago, Fluffy Fishy said:

Constitution is pretty strong as a ship, she's pretty much an under gunned 3rd rate. Her sides are 1'8", she should have a slightly tougher structure not less with a little bit more speed and a bit less turning. She should compare fairly well to Indefatigable, where in comparison Constitution should have fairly similar stats, but slightly more thickness, be a little faster and a fair bit worse on the turn, with a slightly higher armament.

Part of the problem is that Constitution has a huge following, and because of that she has a massive lobby force, who aren't always very well informed about her as a ship itself, who seem to want her to be some kind of god ship, where as realistically in both history and game design she is/was a bit of a stick out issue being somewhat in a strange place when looking at the other ships around her, with her closest comparisons being the 50 gun SoLs and heavier Razees, not the frigates she's most often compared to. These ships are also something we don't have in the game at present, or particularly likely to gain in the near future.

Last time your contribution was added, it almost kills the game. thanks again for the lovely requin

Please don`t say anything about ships anymore, do me a favour? Thanks.

[Fluffy Fishy]

47 minutes ago, Fenris said:

Last time your contribution was added, it almost kills the game. thanks again for the lovely requin

Please don`t say anything about ships anymore, do me a favour? Thanks.

Can you please stop it with this attitude, I can't tell if its bad trolling or what. I'm not even sure where these accusations are coming from, I was unaware I had the powers to suggest a ship being in the game from a year before I had even discovered Naval Action at all, if I did have that kind of influence we would have a pretty different line up of ships with a lot more national variation and filling gaps like adding something like a Spanish 70 gunner. As far as I can tell the first suggestion of Requin was made in this post here, clearly dated 07/01/15, literally a year and a day before I joined, months before I started doing any serious research, which again was months before people started taking much notice. Original suggestion post linked below.

If admin or the dev team did pay significant attention to me things would be quite different, I would want to do away with over gunned ships and have a more clear plan for a diverse roster, for example Bucentaure would be an 80 gunner, not 88, while ships and mods would have much less meta stats in general. My suggestions for Requin were quite different to the ship we currently have too, one with less structure and thickness that takes more crew damage, and therefore hopefully be much more balanced. When we were asked about her performance I quite clearly stated that she should be a good sailor but a total glass cannon who's main role should be commerce raiding but struggle against warships, this is clearly not the case, hopefully she will be more balanced soon.

Throwing accusations and blame without cause is stupid and to be honest I'm pretty tired of your responses to things myself and others post now, please could you be more considerate of other forum users, if that's not possible could you please do me a favour and don't say anything any more...

Edited August 25, 2018 by Fluffy Fishy

[Lovec1990]

7 hours ago, Fluffy Fishy said:

Constitution is pretty strong as a ship, she's pretty much an under gunned 3rd rate. Her sides are 1'8", she should have a slightly tougher structure not less with a little bit more speed and a bit less turning. She should compare fairly well to Indefatigable, where in comparison Constitution should have fairly similar stats, but slightly more thickness, be a little faster and a fair bit worse on the turn, with a slightly higher armament.

Part of the problem is that Constitution has a huge following, and because of that she has a massive lobby force, who aren't always very well informed about her as a ship itself and who seem to want her to be some kind of god ship where as realistically in both history and game design she is/was a bit of a stick out issue being somewhat in a strange place overall, when looking at the other ships around her with her closest comparisons being the 50 gun SoLs and heavier razees, not the frigates she's most often compared to. These ships are also something we don't have in the game at present or particularly likely to gain in the near future.

True but in other hand we should wait for model update with proper hull angles and see how well she bounces cannon balls and as i said reduce her armor HP if she bounces balls and add 0.20kn to base speed.

I do not want constitution being god ship just that it is usefull 

[Hethwill, the Red Duke]

Model all ships with their values. Model broadside weight.

If a frigate is stupid enough to engage a SOL and make a mistake, then let the frigate feel how devastating a SOL broadside can be.

Constitution should be a menace for smaller frigate models, but as any other ship not unbeatable but a great challenge.

I do sail her, but totally aware of her having fallen behind all this recent mumbo jumbo.

[Lovec1990]

Just now, Hethwill the Harmless said:

Model all ships with their values. Model broadside weight.

If a frigate is stupid enough to engage a SOL and make a mistake, then let the frigate feel how devastating a SOL broadside can be.

Constitution should be a menace for smaller frigate models, but as any other ship not unbeatable but a great challenge.

I do sail her, but totally aware of her having fallen behind all this recent mumbo jumbo.

I agree Constitution should normaly run from SOLs and only engage traders and frigates. On the other hand British navy instructed their captains of frigates with 38 guns or less never too engage american frigate with any less than 2:1 advantage.

But as i said we should wait for new model from that one we can fine tune her stats.

Anyone knows why new model is delayed?

 

[Hethwill, the Red Duke]

I am sure is the coding. 3D models are "easy" to do. Coding all the rigging is the difficult more time spending part. Along with the Hull for damage calculations, ship vitals, etc.

[Lovec1990]

4 minutes ago, Hethwill the Harmless said:

I am sure is the coding. 3D models are "easy" to do. Coding all the rigging is the difficult more time spending part. Along with the Hull for damage calculations, ship vitals, etc.

hey do you have any clue why new Constitution is refered as Constitution Classic?

[Hethwill, the Red Duke]

No idea. Developer codenames maybe 😎

[Lovec1990]

2 minutes ago, Hethwill the Harmless said:

No idea. Developer codenames maybe 😎

or a hint for refit version

[Fluffy Fishy]

27 minutes ago, Lovec1990 said:

hey do you have any clue why new Constitution is refered as Constitution Classic?

My guess would be is that based it as close as they can off the Constitution of her heyday of fighting, not the ship more as she is now which doesn't really resemble the original ship as she was in 1797-1815 at all.

[Lovec1990]

42 minutes ago, Hethwill the Harmless said:

I am sure is the coding. 3D models are "easy" to do. Coding all the rigging is the difficult more time spending part. Along with the Hull for damage calculations, ship vitals, etc.

But if we have image of her in test server that means hard stuff is done its just test now and triming the numbers so we are close or im missing something?

[Hethwill, the Red Duke]

Missing everything, except the teasers.

[Sir Texas Sir]

2 hours ago, Lovec1990 said:

hey do you have any clue why new Constitution is refered as Constitution Classic?

As @Fluffy Fishy said the new model is closer to the actuall ship than what we have now which is a very old game model and isn't true to the ship design.

2 hours ago, Lovec1990 said:

or a hint for refit version

THey should bring in the Classic Connie and make the current one a generic 4th rate frigate.  I don't know where folks keep getting refits from.  Though I can see the old model maybe getting a new paint and refit stats to her.

[Njord]

21 minutes ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

THey should bring in the Classic Connie and make the current one a generic 4th rate frigate.  I don't know where folks keep getting refits from.  Though I can see the old model maybe getting a new paint and refit stats to her.

Tweak the stats on the old one, give it different paintjobs and name it the "Acheron" from the M&C movie. We have the surprise already so why not? @admin ❤️

Edited August 26, 2018 by Sovereign

[Lovec1990]

2 minutes ago, Sovereign said:

Tweak the stats on the old one, give it different paintjobs and name it the "Archeron" from the M&C movie. We have the surprise already so why not? @admin ❤️

Still meeds angled hull