So you tell devs something they do not want to hear... and they close the topic!

[John Hood]

1 hour ago, Intrepido said:

Admin, it is a fact that there is no counterpart to requin in shallow water PBs due to his sailing profile and high crew.

Can you sink a requin with a niagara? Yes.

Can the requin just run when badly damaged from the niagara? Yes.

Can the requin (250 crew) insta-board the niagara (155 crew) when losing the gun fight? Yes.

 

Even better some people run it with like 380 crew... wonder where you put it on this ship... they can easly board most 5th rates...

[Hethwill, the Red Duke]

The two new ships rocked the status quo established by the metas. That's why so much cringing.

Looking back to tests done, suggestions made, all of them point to make those two ships as viable as any other.

I cannot stay indifferent to a P2W comment when it is not true @admin

And yes, it propagates like fire and we have entire nation chats full of that - what color are the sails, red, p2w ***....

The same thing that can be done with a Hercules - hug the bow angled, get glued, out DPS the enemy, can be done with any other ship with more or less success. It is not a new thing, it just became more visible.

DLC ships are a excellent choice for any player that wants to stay away from eco-craft, be it pve or caribbean server.

[z4ys]

1 minute ago, John Hood said:

Even better some people run it with like 380 crew... wonder where you put it on this ship... they can easly board most 5th rates...

mods not ship any ship can do that

[Hethwill, the Red Duke]

Just now, z4ys said:

mods not ship any ship can do that

Right 'oh.

 

[Bluetooth]

There is no

PAY 2  WIN 

only

GIT GUD TO WIN.

ps: can we change its name to Le Sexy ???

Edited August 15, 2018 by Crow

[Atreides]

Just to weigh on the Requin...

I am a longtime player (before Steam EA) and medium skilled PVPer (as in I get sunk more than I sink)  I still have my redeemable Requin, with Cart refit, Elite Pirate and Master Carpenter,  I am only playing an hour or so a day, sometimes only a few times a week the last 3 months.  But in that time since redeeming the Requin I have sunk 7 Requins, 4 Hercs and the odd 5th rate trying to seal club around Jamaica, sometimes with help sometimes not.  I have learned what the ship can do, and the assessment of it being overpowered are absolutely correct.  with 80% sail I can still go 14.5+ knots close hauled to fade back and repair, then charge back in.  With the right mods this ship is a game breaker for others without.

 

[Hethwill, the Red Duke]

Just now, Atreides said:

With the right mods this ship is a game breaker for others without.

Any ship.

There are ships that at 35% sails can still move upwind faster than the enemy. And they are not DLC ships. 

[Felix Victor]

12 minutes ago, Cmdr RideZ said:

screen shots look really nice, possible to share it?

You can even use the "real thing": https://na-map.netlify.com/  (menu Tools | Compare ships)

 

Edited August 15, 2018 by Felix Victor

[Havelock]

14 minutes ago, admin said:

Again - lets remove emotions from the conversation. At certain point Newton's gravity was only his opinion and some scientists considered it a slap on the face.

I can agree with that I usually stay calm in conversations but its my honest opinion that you as developers have introduced these vessels very poorly. Too fast, not enough testing, large parts of the community get the feel of a "money grab" (im not saying its true but you see the overall heat this has caused).

 

14 minutes ago, admin said:

Le Requin could be unbalanced and more data will confirm or deny this theory. But saying that Le Requin is pay to win because NO SHIP IN GAME can match it is false and confuses unaware players who come to this forum.

What does that mean? No ship can match it? Does it mean it is absolutely unbeatable? Of course not, the worst player in the game will still be a bad player. P2W refers to a ship which has a natural advantage versus all other ships. If two captains with almost same skill, one with Requin and one with RSH/Mercury/Niagara, same woods, same upgrades, duel each other 100 times - the winning results will be nowhere close to 50-50.

Then you say, there is ships that can beat the Requin! But i say no, they cant, it will always be a draw because the requin sails away. Further, a larger ship has more BR. E.g. an Endy has 235BR, so a fair fight (BR wise) would be 1 Endy vs 3 Requin. Who has the better chances in that fight?

Edited August 15, 2018 by Havelock

[Cmdr RideZ]

2 hours ago, Thonys said:

 

 

When Hercules succeeds it is often because target does not shoot rigging.

Also see the attitude here, losing a mast and running. Test if the player is an easy target and if not they run. This is pretty bad for new players, why Reinforcement Zone should be no attack zone.

Another questions is, was the last mast patch good? I have been critical because of what you see on this video. The issue is affecting other ships as well, not just Herc.

[admin]

12 minutes ago, Havelock said:

 

1  What does that mean? No ship can match it? Does it mean it is absolutely unbeatable? 

2 Then you say, there is ships that can beat the Requin! But i say no, they cant, it will always be a draw because the requin sails away. 

1) This means exactly what it says. Statement that NO ship can match it is false. There are ships that can easily destroy it or force it to run away.

2) You say no why? Trader lynx can't be defeated too using your logic, or lynx, or privateer or basic cutter - because they can also run away.

[AeRoTR]

@admin thank you for correcting me. Can you correct my other statements, stats attached as screenshots. 

No 6th rate can match the Le Requin. It is op, unbalanced and in my opinion strongly P2W. 

That ship was strong but it had it's problems. That is why it did not dominate the waters at that era. Wind speed, harsh sea/ocean is not a factor in this game, so it needs something in return to balance it. 

If rattle heavy, snow were DLC ships, would we see them everywhere, raiding capitol waters, no we won't. But we see the red sail. Think about it... 

I am not gonna post about DLC ships anymore. I can buy all the dlc to support the game, not the red sail! So my cry is not about the red sail, it is about NA. Please think well for future dlcs before releasing them. Give us the DLC for test and remove dlc from us when test ends, you do not need this mess. Hope you understand it. 

 

[AeRoTR]

44 minutes ago, Cmdr RideZ said:

These screen shots look really nice, possible to share it?

Of course go to Felix Map, select tools from upper bar and select compare ships. 

https://na-map.netlify.com

[admin]

12 minutes ago, AeRoTR said:

@admin thank you for correcting me.

No 6th rate can match the Le Requin. It is op, unbalanced and in my opinion strongly P2W. 

 

This would be a more defined statement that would confuse players less. Remember that new players and prospective buyers assume the worst and if they see NO SHIP CAN MATCH - they will assume ALL ships including first rates. And this is not true.

[Havelock]

31 minutes ago, admin said:

2) You say no why? Trader lynx can't be defeated too using your logic, or lynx, or privateer or basic cutter - because they can also run away.

Agreed, even though Id leave traders out. The difference i see is that they dont have the power to sink larger rates. A Privateer can probably sink a 6th Rate if its very (like, VERY) good. Requin is the only ship being able to do that in its class - and her prey goes way beyond light frigates.

EDIT: Actually, i looked it up; according to royal speed trials society Requin beats them all on speed except  the Lynx on 30°.
EDIT2: Data is from pre-hotfix. Requin is probably a bit slower downwind.

Edited August 15, 2018 by Havelock

[z4ys]

1 minute ago, Havelock said:

Agreed, even though Id leave traders out. The difference i see is that they dont have the power to sink larger rates. A Privateer can probably sink a 6th Rate if its very (like, VERY) good. Requin is the only ship being able to do that in its class - and her prey goes way beyond light frigates.

EDIT: Actually, i looked it up; according to royal speed trials society Requin beats them all on speed except  the Lynx on 30°.

a cerb is a 5th rate can it match a endy or indef in firepower? why suddenly same rates have to match each other they never did

[Hethwill, the Red Duke]

forget 1v1, but even 1v1 the huggie huggie works in all ships, so yeah... 6 pounders are enough...

I'm totally lost at this point... *see my sig* that is all that matters.

[Havelock]

Just now, z4ys said:

a cerb is a 5th rate can it match a endy or indef in firepower? why suddenly same rates have to match each other they never did

Requin - 80BR
Snow, Niagara, Mercury, RSH - 80BR

Cerberus - 140BR
Endy - 235BR
Indef - 250BR

[z4ys]

6 minutes ago, Havelock said:

 

EDIT: Actually, i looked it up; according to royal speed trials society Requin beats them all on speed except  the Lynx on 30°.

On 8/9/2018 at 8:48 AM, admin said:

Hotfix will be deployed on the 9th August

• Hercules armor thickness and HP slightly reduced to 50 and 3300
• Le Requin speed at 180 degrees (wind from the stern) slightly reduced to approximately 6.5 knots from 8 knots
• Massive buffs to hp and slight buffs to thickness across all 6th rates and 7th rates
• Slight buff to 4lb and 6lb damage

In addition to tunes 

• Overloaded OW speed debuff deployed early. The rest of the fix (giving no option to overload the ship through trade might appear in the port UI patch).

Data there is outdated

Edited August 15, 2018 by z4ys

[z4ys]

1 minute ago, Havelock said:

Requin - 80BR
Snow, Niagara, Mercury, RSH - 80BR

Cerberus - 140BR
Endy - 235BR
Indef - 250BR

BR is as fake as it always was. Those numbers mean nothing except entrance to pbs

[Felix Victor]

2 minutes ago, z4ys said:

Data there is outdated

My map tool should be up-to-date:

 

[Corona Lisa]

1 minute ago, z4ys said:

BR is as fake as it always was. Those numbers mean nothing except entrance to pbs

So they mean a lot. Also Cerberus cant enter Shallow PBs

[Havelock]

1 minute ago, z4ys said:

BR is as fake as it always was. Those numbers mean nothing except entrance to pbs

A good BR rebalance would solve a great portion of the RvR problem. That goes for a lot of shallow ships actually (Herc is too low still too imo).

[z4ys]

Just now, Jon Snow lets go said:

So they mean a lot. Also Cerberus cant enter Shallow PBs

The current ranting is about OW battles not about pbs. So Br numbers mean nothing. Actuall a higher BR would buff le requin making it possible to attack bigger ships.

[Havelock]

Just now, z4ys said:

The current ranting is about OW battles not about pbs. So Br numbers mean nothing. Actuall a higher BR would buff le requin making it possible to attack bigger ships.

No Sir, my ranting is 75% about Requins imbalance in shallow PBs.