John Hood Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 I do not think le req was a brilliant idea, and say that as somebody driving one myself... simple example? came back from a mission... ships damaged... two le req with tagged my endy... they did not even care that it was in the safe zone and half of gb was there... I put up about an 30 min fight.... 9!!! ships joined on my side and the ai ship... guess what the 2 le req after 30 min put me in the middle between them, boarding me... and actually managed to escape all the other ships arround them... This ship has a ballance problem. And heck I do the same, find any other 6th rate player and rage board them. At least for me it ruins the fun... normaly all you can do its go into the wind and run... of cause they like to gank you near ports even with reeinforcements when the wind points to the coast... so you are doomed... I hope that thing gets nerved, or removed and replaced with something normal. The chinese looking thing does not fit anyhow... 5
z4ys Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) Quote I put up about an 30 min fight Why fight them in the first place with the square rigger? If they are not demasted they will run like any other schonner would do when things get worse. Quote I hope that thing gets nerved, or removed and replaced with something normal. The chinese looking thing does not fit anyhow... its not chinese its actually a mediterranean sailing ship Quote of cause they like to gank you near ports even with reeinforcements when the wind points to the coast... so you are doomed... Thats called leeshore and it always bad to get trapped on it. Always keep distance between you and land when sailing a aquare rigger during wind pointing at a shore. Edited July 17, 2018 by z4ys 2
Tiedemann Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 They need to nerf the shit out of those premium ships. If they buff the other shallow water ships to match the Hercules and the Le Requin then they are just making the shallow ships seriously OP and it will require a re balance all the ships in the game.. Devs should not have added this ship as DLC before they had the time to properly balance it. Now we have paid real money for a DLC ship, and that complicates it for the devs. They can't just nurf the shit out of them because that would radically change a product we payed for ☹️ 10
Corona Lisa Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Tiedemann said: They need to nerf the shit out of those premium ships. If they buff the other shallow water ships to match the Hercules and the Le Requin then they are just making the shallow ships seriously OP and it will require a re balance all the ships in the game.. Devs should not have added this ship as DLC before they had the time to properly balance it. Now we have paid real money for a DLC ship, and that complicates it for the devs. They can't just nurf the shit out of them because that would radically change a product we payed for ☹️ On 7/12/2018 at 1:29 PM, admin said: Hard numbers in the DLC wont change. Overall economy system (warehouse space, building plots, docks system) will not change. Ship stats mentioned in store might change ONLY if ALL ships are drastically rebalanced over time. (eg all ships will lose 1 knot of speed or gain 1 knot of speed for general game balance).
Fluffy Fishy Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 39 minutes ago, z4ys said: 11 hours ago, John Hood said: I hope that thing gets nerved, or removed and replaced with something normal. The chinese looking thing does not fit anyhow... its not chinese its actually a mediterranean sailing ship They were quite frequently built and sailed around the Caribbean too, there are even a few of them that were built by the US and other American navies. They are good ships for privateering and anti pirate activity in rocky coastlines, their manoeuvrability giving them great access to jagged coastlines that are difficult to patrol and control in square riggers. The Requin is quite easy to solve, she just needs to be made more fragile, she is weirdly thick hulled for a ship of her type, she should be a lot more vulnerable as should her crew. That being said in a lot of people's minds the DLC ships relative disposable nature have been a blessing for PVP, letting more people fight with much less to lose. Hopefully the upcoming streamlining to crafting and changes will make more ships more accessible in the near future, allowing for more time to be spent in PVP/PVE depending on your preference. Also if you just murder the foremast, like any other triangular rigged ship they are pretty much useless, they aren't particularly difficult to shoot off either, its something that should be pretty achievable with relatively heavy guns like an Endymion has. Edited July 17, 2018 by Fluffy Fishy 2
z4ys Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) TBH looking at the xebec - pirate rig makes it op thats right. A xebec without those force mods is nothing else then a prince with more crew. She couldnt catch any sqaure rigger downwind. All she could do is fight lynx cutters and princes. In order to make her fast people have to use fir/fir ships like anyone else. currently you can make them lO/WO and they are still speedy. Gamelabs should revert the pirate rig mod to its old stats. - The xebec shows in a perfect way how broken mods are. But yeah grinding mods is content so they have to stay.This small revert would balance the xebec in the overall picture But she can run away so easy. -Any schooner can run away easy. But she can hug my side and kill me. - Any ship that has a low shape can huge you to death. That isnt new but now more people got away from decent ships (1st rates) and started to sail "no real ships" and figured out that hugging is a nice meta on those ships and now because it happens more often people started to complain till they figure out that a xebec has almost no leeway and they could exploit that fact. Its like always something is new but people havent figured out how to counter yet so they go to forum and complain. Edited July 17, 2018 by z4ys 2
Guest Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 We dont need 5 topics on this ship. If anything pirate rig refit is broken and the ships BR is way too low for its power.
CeltiberoClearco Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) In the PB, the DLC ships have become indispensable, mainly the xebec. In the image of the PB by Little Cayman (2,570 BR max.), there were 14 DLC ships, out of a total of 23 + 1 mortar. The British team had 8 DLC ships of 13. The Spanish team had 6 of 10 + 1 mortar. In the PB of shallow, the xebec with boarding upgrade, is totally and absolutely essential. Edited July 17, 2018 by CeltiberoClearco
Guest Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, CeltiberoClearco said: In the PB, the DLC ships have become indispensable, mainly the xebec. In the image of the PB by Little Cayman (2,570 BR max.), there were 14 DLC ships, out of a total of 23 + 1 mortar. The British team had 8 DLC ships of 13. The Spanish team had 6 of 10 + 1 mortar. In the PB of sallow, the xebec with boarding upgrade, is totally and absolutely essential. What does this prove? The side with less dlc ships won.
Liq Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 Whats with all the recent thread renaming censorship? But yah I agree the china boat is a pain to deal with. Harder to hit (both hull and odd ish angled masts), a lot of crew, good sailing profile... Ingredients for a perfect troll boat Imho the side thickness should be a lot lower.
CeltiberoClearco Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Flinch said: What does this prove? The side with less dlc ships won. It's not about who wins or loses. It is a question of the fact that in the PB with medium BR, shallow DLC ships are being imposed. The reasons are varied from its low BR to its mobility, crew, difficult to hit etc. This, in addition, is making the PB more to maintain the circles and less to fight. Yes, RaimundoJoe, the British won.... Edited July 17, 2018 by CeltiberoClearco 1
Sento de Benimaclet Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, Liq said: the china boat XEBEC. CHINESE JUNK. It is curious, the Xebec is a boat of sea (Mediterranean) very calm and the Chinese junk is an oceanic boat with its typhoons, monsoons etc., and yet its physiognomy is very similar. 1
John Hood Posted July 17, 2018 Author Posted July 17, 2018 Right now I lost a Wasa again two le req ganging up... I think I file a bug report everytime I see a le req after all this ship is a bug. Since I got sunk by a bug can I get my ship back? Really you work hard to get a good ship... wasa is 30 pvp marks, it had navy hull, spanish and copper plating... and then two dlcs for them you actually have to do nothing but pay... simple can sink you... even with all the updates I got one down to 70% sails and it was still holding pace upwind... then they come close and they are so low profile only your lower guns can hit them... This ship is fricking flawed. and I say that as somebody that has it too... I guess until it gets changed I only play le req to get my 40 pvp marks back... because since they got into the game every other ship falls vicitim to them especially if two play together... In my month before this le req "brilliant idea" got introduced I barelly lost a ship... now the count for this week is one endy (even in the safe zone with 8!!!! gb and 2 ai helping and they even escaped that), a pirate fig and a wasa... all with good updates... I guess this game will soon no longer be naval action but le req action... you can really remove all other ships... 2
John Hood Posted July 17, 2018 Author Posted July 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Liq said: Whats with all the recent thread renaming censorship? But yah I agree the china boat is a pain to deal with. Harder to hit (both hull and odd ish angled masts), a lot of crew, good sailing profile... Ingredients for a perfect troll boat Imho the side thickness should be a lot lower. It should not even be here... its a china boat... in the weather in our zone it would sink all by itself... I liked this game because there was no pay to win... now there is and I thought the developers did not want to do that? Admirality, Forger all ok.... hercules ok you can deal with that at least she sails like a normal ship and has a profile like a normal ship... Le Req needs to go.... It does not belong to the area of the map and it ruins the game balance... especially when it started you had to deal with one le req... fine... now you mostly encounter groups of 2... whats next le req zerg fleets because well you are unbeatable...
Sir Texas Sir Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 Last PB I was in and it was against the Brits I remember they had a Le Req and the first thing that happens to it? I NAILED IT WITH A BROADSIDE OF CHAIN......dropped it to 40% sails and the L'ocean behind me sunk it with a broad side as it was dead in the water. End of story it was useless trying to take the circle from us. While they are great for circle control like what was used in the past with the Prince, I think they fit find in Deep water, just make them 5th rates like the Hercs and use 4-5th mods/skills and I bet we will see a more balanced game play with them. That also limits the super stacking of crew too.
Guest Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 3 hours ago, CeltiberoClearco said: It's not about who wins or loses. It is a question of the fact that in the PB with medium BR, shallow DLC ships are being imposed. The reasons are varied from its low BR to its mobility, crew, difficult to hit etc. This, in addition, is making the PB more to maintain the circles and less to fight. Yes, RaimundoJoe, the British won.... Then the spanish(who only lost one ship) didnt really commit to the pb and go for the zones. I dont know what to say. The team with more dlc ships suffered 4 times the losses. If they won still then they played better.
Archaos Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, Flinch said: Then the spanish(who only lost one ship) didnt really commit to the pb and go for the zones. I dont know what to say. The team with more dlc ships suffered 4 times the losses. If they won still then they played better. It was not as straightforward as that. As I saw it in the battle the DLC ships made the mortar Brig ineffective, but took quite a bit of damage doing so and by the time the Spanish really started gaining points we had around 800 points. They eventually held 3 circles and were gaining points now and again depending on ships entering the circles to stop it, but the problem was that we had about 966 points if I remember correctly and the loss of a single ship on their side would have cost them the battle so their DLC ships went into chain and kite mode hoping they could keep the circle points racking up and win the battle without taking risks. In the end we lost another couple of ships trying to sink theirs but they ran out of time to get enough points. Basically they couldnt afford to lose anymore ships and they knew it so they played for the win by keeping circles and we did our best to get that last kill initially and then after losing more ships we just tried to stop them getting points from the circles and run out the time. All valid tactics in the current port battles. But to get on topic, the DLC may have changed the make up for port battles but I think it is too early yet to say they should be banned from port battles as the meta is still developing and people are finding new ways to use them and counter them. 1
Fenris Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) So, basically nothing new in NA? 1 step forward, 2 steps back....buff,nerf,buff,nerf,buff,nerf....zzzZZZzzz........ Ok..not logging in. Edited July 17, 2018 by Fenris
Lovec1990 Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 ^^ And it will never be until players stop bickering and try too work a problem with Devs soon requin will be nerfed hard then they will be usless balance needs too be found by combined effort and not by buthurt players who are too prideful and buthurt to actually try too learn how to deal with the requin.
z4ys Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 38 minutes ago, Lovec1990 said: ... not by buthurt players who are too prideful and buthurt to actually try too learn how to deal with the requin. Le Req is changing the game! Title says it all. Meta changed now lets find 110000000000 reasons why it has to be nerfed so I dont need to adapt and overcome. True there are some broken things about the xebec but not the ones that get menionted loudest. Because whats really broken on the ship would effect other ships as well.
John Hood Posted July 17, 2018 Author Posted July 17, 2018 3 hours ago, z4ys said: Le Req is changing the game! Title says it all. Meta changed now lets find 110000000000 reasons why it has to be nerfed so I dont need to adapt and overcome. True there are some broken things about the xebec but not the ones that get menionted loudest. Because whats really broken on the ship would effect other ships as well. just keep it like it is... I got 17 pvp marks in retaliation... just antoher 13 to go... and I think the people that got hit are just as happy as I was... Just keep it as an awesome pay to win ship... its great you need no skill just a paypal account LOL
o Barão Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 I I am new to the game so i just read a lot about what is happening. I can't have an opinion about the Requin without fully understand the game mechanics. But i need to ask this. If the Requin is a Xebec where is the oars? Shouldn't be this ship gimmick the hability to sail downwind at slow speeds with the oars?
Cabral Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 5 hours ago, z4ys said: Le Req is changing the game! Title says it all. Meta changed now lets find 110000000000 reasons why it has to be nerfed so I dont need to adapt and overcome. True there are some broken things about the xebec but not the ones that get menionted loudest. Because whats really broken on the ship would effect other ships as well. Half the players only sail daily the Le Requin or the Hercules, the other half is the newcomers that still don't know the "wonders" of these ships and get farmed by the first ones. We could change the name Naval Action to Le Requin Action, fits perfectly at this moment. 2
Lonar Posted July 20, 2018 Posted July 20, 2018 On 7/17/2018 at 3:51 PM, Sento de Benimaclet said: XEBEC. CHINESE JUNK. It is curious, the Xebec is a boat of sea (Mediterranean) very calm and the Chinese junk is an oceanic boat with its typhoons, monsoons etc., and yet its physiognomy is very similar. Not really the hull is completely different, the picture is also not that great because artists always take some liberty.
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