Change starting point for new players in "hardcore" nations

[Latron]

It's very troublesome to have players who just joined Poland, Russia, or Prussia start off at Shroud Cay. It's a very active area and not a great starting point for new players who don't fully understand what they're doing. Without communication from their nation they likely won't know where to go or where to avoid, but the biggest problem is when the game gets an influx of new players because with so many cutters in the area some more experienced players decide to go there to get some easy kills. I understand how some people use cutters to transport light materials and thus they become a good target, but when these cutters happen to be new players who just started the game, it could make them want to quit the game and possibly get a refund. In a game with such a low population, driving players away on day 1 is the last thing we need.

I think we should change the spawn point for players in each nation to a port that the nation actually owns so long as that nation still own any ports at all. One possible idea is to have the players of a nation vote on a port they own to be the "capital" where all joining players will spawn, and if that port gets captured, then the spawn point could default back to Shroud Cay until another port is selected. It may not be the best idea ever, but if this game is going to keep any sort of decent reputation, then we shouldn't allow new players to get ganked the moment they set sail from the docks for the first time.

[Aster]

I think if someone willfully picks a "Hardcore" nation they want that. I doubt mass cutter farming will be an issue as they don't actually give you anything. As for the new player situation, I would like to see a new player starting area that has been talked about in many posts before and perhaps hardcore nations can be a way to just skip that.

[vazco]

I don't think this is a real issue what you're describing, but spawning in a port with the most player outposts would be a quality of life improvement.

In Commonwealth sometimes a few times per week we had to escort new players. It would be better if they spawned in the most populated port instead. 

[Lovec1990]

Wait Shroud cay is starting port oh my good i feel like real dick now becouse i moved there to PvP but i sank some players in cutters.

 

I apologise to any new player that was sank by me around Shroud cay

[AeRoTR]

I still think all players should start in the neutral Nation / Company, and afterwards choose their nation knowing the consquences. Change nation after M&C may be ?

[Latron]

1 hour ago, Aster said:

I think if someone willfully picks a "Hardcore" nation they want that. I doubt mass cutter farming will be an issue as they don't actually give you anything. As for the new player situation, I would like to see a new player starting area that has been talked about in many posts before and perhaps hardcore nations can be a way to just skip that.

I don't think anyone wants to be unable to leave a port because it's being camped by players in superior ships. Players who pick these harder nations surely expect a challenge, but not like this. Imagine starting a singleplayer game on hard mode, but it starts you in an area with high level enemies that are impossible for you to kill.

[Teutonic]

Idk. On one hand I agree..

On the other hand, they are hardcore nations for a reason, they aren't meant for new players who want to learn the ropes of how to play.

If i could make the decisions, i would not have these nations in the game.

Edited June 24, 2018 by Teutonic

[Teutonic]

38 minutes ago, Banished Privateer said:

To be honest, harcore nation new player should be able to choose ANY free town as starting point. Any free town is a dangerous place, so why not?

I suppose that's fair too. I see nothing wrong with that.

[PG Monkey]

13 hours ago, Banished Privateer said:

To be honest, harcore nation new player should be able to choose ANY free town as starting point. Any free town is a dangerous place, so why not?

Would also help if they could see the map before they choose

[Guest]

It would be nice if new prussia players could start in LT in the middle of prussia rather than  300km away in shroud. 

Edited June 25, 2018 by Guest

[Sir Texas Sir]

14 hours ago, Banished Privateer said:

To be honest, harcore nation new player should be able to choose ANY free town as starting point. Any free town is a dangerous place, so why not?

With the changes of free towns being removed upon release what are they going ot do with the impossible nations cause ya'll won't have any ports to live out if you loose all your ports than.  Wonder if the Devs thought about that and might be something we bring up.   

1 hour ago, Flinch said:

It would be nice if new prussia players could start in LT in the middle of prussia rather than  300km away in shroud. 

Prussian and the other Impossible Nations don't have perm ports so what one day is your zone of owner ship might not be months from now so that won't work.

I honestly think they should be true hard core nations.  Pirates should only be able to join through game (like old days attack your own nation and you become pirate.)  If you don't want to be a pirate any more delete your char and make a new one.   The three other nations should be removed but if not make it so that like other games that have hardcore races you have to reach a certain level before you can even play those nations.  Thus you make RA and now you have an option to play one of the hardcore nations.

For a bunch of hard core guys they do complain alot, maybe it's best we just remove the nations and go back to the core ones?  Could always give the Pirates the game mechanics they they can loose all ports.  Turn Mort into a Neurtral port that all can use at risk (it will be pretty much a PvP zone).  

[Johnny Rotten]

It would be great if the pirate nation was actually hardcore like its supposed to be with its capitol being nassau and shallow.

[Thonys]

@admin

well i  also encountered a lot of new players at shroud cay , especially when the mission in that area are on 

but i do really believe they should not be there , took one in battle not knowing he was a young captain, and it became a unpleasant meeting, (!) i did not like it, that i saw a young captain struggling to survive  a bigger ship ,he also did not like it, (  ) and it felt not good...

i suggest you look at it once more.

i believe the new players should spawn in the capitol area of their own nation , they are protected there, and they are in the influence of the older veterans much sooner also

therefore i want to suggest that the young captain should spawn in their nation capital under the protection of their own fleet and own nation captains

this is not working for the community and also not for new breed.,

On 6/25/2018 at 1:26 PM, Flinch said:

It would be nice if new prussia players could start in LT in the middle of prussia rather than  300km away in shroud. 

i am not the only one who thinks this way

also all the talk about hardcore ( ?)  is bla bla bla bla bla....

the young captain will see battle sooner or later we don't have to smash them before they enter the next rank ....

 

also our recruiting office for the dutch , for new naval officers is at willemstad Curacao and not in a forgotten shallow place  shroud cay 3000 miles away

 

Edited June 28, 2018 by Thonys

[BallsOfSteel]

Hardcore Nations should only have Freetown to live from and no ability to capture ports. Just raid them. 

[Johnny Rotten]

2 minutes ago, BallsOfSteel said:

Hardcore Nations should only have Freetown to live from and no ability to capture ports. Just raid them. 

That sounds exactly like how the pirate nation was supposed to be implemented.

[Latron]

I also came up with this idea later. It would be a big task but it could vastly improve the poor new player experience we have now.

[Njord]

On 6/24/2018 at 8:42 PM, Latron said:

One possible idea is to have the players of a nation vote on a port they own to be the "capital" where all joining players will spawn

I like this suggestion. Please make it so, @admin. Even if the nations are hardcore, new players should start in the heart of their nation and not be sealclubbed out of the game at shroudcay. Voting for capitals seems a nice idea. I would also prefer all nations except GB, US, France and Spain be hardcore but that is another topic.

[Thonys]

also nation chat should be open all times as default

when entering the game 

Edited June 28, 2018 by Thonys

[UAZ-469]

It would already be enough - at least for the PvE-server - if all nations would start out with own ports and a capital (Even though some might protest due to historical inaccuracy, but it's the PvE-server, so...), so they could use the admirality for rewards. Currently, there's no point in playing as Prussia, Poland (Which I am in) and Russia.

And to claim the rewards, you have to ask players from other nations to get them for you.

If no ports for all nations are an option, then how about making admirality accessible to foreign nations? That would be still incovenient, since you need an Indianaman to ferry the ship notes back, but the easiest solution.

Edited June 28, 2018 by UAZ-469