Wasa viability in current patch

[Njord]

I know many of you still have PTSD from the long and dark age of broken Wasa but I haven't seen any Wasa for a long time in OW and more Bellonas than anything else. Can some of the more seasoned PvP players among you fill me in on as to why that is the case? I was going to get myself a Wasa but I don't know its current stats and value / viability in the current patch and not seeing anyone use the ship in OW PvP compared to the time when everyone was spamming it, made me kind of hesitant...

Have people forgotten this ship even exists? What is its role and strength ( if it has any ) in the current patch?

 

Thank you captains and fair winds!

Edited April 30, 2018 by Sovereign

[the Kidd]

For my oppinion the Wasa is not worth the PvP marks for sailing in open world.

For a PortBattle it makes sense because the much lower BR. But you question was is the wasa good enough compared to a Bellona in the Open World -> For me definetly not mainly the HP that are to low... and if i remember right, the bellona was faster but turns much slower... So if the wasa would be faster and has slightly more HP then now it would be better...

 

PS: Was there already a buff for the wasa within the last patches then ignore my comment

[victor]

11 minutes ago, the Kidd said:

For my oppinion the Wasa is not worth the PvP marks for sailing in open world.

For a PortBattle it makes sense because the much lower BR.

Pretty much this.

Despite it's rank, it's still a 4th rate on steroids, since any bellona - with same skilled captain and same woods and upgrades - will just wipe the floor with it.

Edited April 30, 2018 by victor

[Njord]

57 minutes ago, rediii said:

Wasa is a light 3rd rate and still has its place (chasers+chaindmg is insane)

but 30 pvp marks is very expe sive I agree

Could probably do with a very minor speed buff and reduced cost to 20 - 25... ?

I mean what is the role of a light 3rd rate? What do I use it for that a 4th rate can not do?

From what I have gathered it has less hp, armor, crew and broadside weight than Bellona and gets chasers + better turnrate for it. Barely anyone ( haven't seen any at all myself but there probably are some out there ) sailing it in OW with Bellona being so popular kind of speaks for itself. Yes the mark cost probably plays a major role but people always use the best gear they can get in games.

When I watch NA streamers and top players like reverse, they sail Bellona and never Wasa ( anymore ) , while they are drowning in PvP marks and I doubt they would hesitate to spend a mere 30, if the Wasa was worth sailing every once in a while... 

I think people are simply too damaged by the times when Wasa was broken to want to see the ship balanced properly. They'd rather have it slightly underperforming compared to Bellona only to have it out of the game ( except for maybe portbattles that I have no experience in... ).

I want to sail the Wasa ( I am actually one of the oddballs that likes how she looks ) but it seems the Bellona is just the better choice in every way.

Another ship that seems to be neglected since as far as I remember is the basic 3rd rate and it is even worse because it is just a worse version of the Bellona.

Edited April 30, 2018 by Sovereign

[Havelock]

Its balance is fine. It features a lot of chasers, an insane broadsight weight for its BR and a high turn rate. Weaknesses are low HP and thickness and weak masts. True glass cannon we have here. As others said, the reason you dont see it much anymore is the high price of 30 PvP marks. The price was worth an OP ship, but why take it over a Bellona when that one is way cheaper to build now?

[victor]

5 minutes ago, Havelock said:

 Weaknesses are low HP and thickness and weak masts. 

also it is undercrewed, so you need to sacrifice one slot for hammocks to sail it efficiently

[Njord]

8 minutes ago, Havelock said:

It features a lot of chasers, an insane broadsight weight for its BR and a high turn rate. Weaknesses are low HP and thickness and weak masts. True glass cannon we have here. As others said, the reason you dont see it much anymore is the high price of 30 PvP marks. The price was worth an OP ship, but why take it over a Bellona when that one is way cheaper to build now?

So basically it is a pure RvR / PB ship then? When top players like reverse choose between Wasa and Bellona for OW PvP, they choose Bellona every time no matter the PvP marks... 

If Wasa was balanced compared to Bellona, surely he would use it at least once every blue moon?

[victor]

12 minutes ago, rediii said:

As long as 1 side can get reloaded fully no ship is undercrewed

3rd rate is okay actually. 

Of course no ship is undercrewed if you are superedii. But getting back to bare numbers: just have a look at % of crew distribution to guns and sails on a bellona and on a wasa. You can argue what you want, but wasa is undercrewed in comparison to other third rates. 

And 3rd rate is a useless ship since a bellona does everything just better. We know that you could sink the Yamato in a 3rd rate, but fact is no one ever sails a 3rd rate while almost everyone sails a bellona.

 

Edited April 30, 2018 by victor

[Slim McSauce]

the way it sounds the bellona is just OP compared to the rest of the 3rd rates and needs a nerf. Wasa is fine with it's rigging shock chasers 

[victor]

1 minute ago, Slim McSauce said:

the way it sounds the bellona is just OP compared to the rest of the 3rd rates and needs a nerf. Wasa is fine with it's rigging shock chasers 

beware with the nerf creep, it's a loop that can lead you in weird lands.

[Slim McSauce]

4 minutes ago, victor said:

beware with the nerf creep, it's a loop that can lead you in weird lands.

so can rebuffing a ship that's already been OP and rekt the game for a solid month before it was fixed. 
The argument is the Wasa isn't as good as the bellona, no 3rd rate is as good as a bellona. What does that tell you?

Edited April 30, 2018 by Slim McSauce

[victor]

4 minutes ago, Slim McSauce said:

so can rebuffing a ship that's already been OP and rekt the game for a solid month before it was fixed.

no, simply use the old rock/scissors/paper rule: Bellona hull/firepower - Wasa turn/speed - 3rd rate battle rating/very cheap to build or buy  (of course you can swap names)

Edited April 30, 2018 by victor

[victor]

3 minutes ago, rediii said:

What exactly does the bellona better than a 3rd rate? Because that "everything" is just having 24s instead of 18s

You answered yourself: why going around in a ship that makes everything the same of a Bellona (I think it has a slight difference in turn also, but I'm not sure) but has less firepower?

But please, go on arguing.

Edited April 30, 2018 by victor

[Njord]

6 minutes ago, Slim McSauce said:

Wasa is fine with it's rigging shock chasers

So is there anything special about the chasers on Wasa or is it simply the unusually high number? Are the chasers really that big of a deal with reduced / limited chain shot? ( I don't know... just an honest question since I haven't sailed Wasa since months )

3 minutes ago, rediii said:

What exactly does the bellona better than a 3rd rate? Because that "everything" is just having 24s instead of 18s

I would still choose 24s over 18s tho. I know you're saying 3rd rate is not bad and of course it isn't but why would I build it over a Bellona? Maybe the Bellona should require victory marks so the 3rd rate can become the poor man's Bellona.

[Slim McSauce]

Just now, rediii said:

its cheaper and 18 pounders have more dps

 

From your perspective it would make more sense that:

Wasa fast chaser

Bellona firepower

3rd better turn

that's IF we don't want to add another 3rd rate at some point in the future

[victor]

2 minutes ago, rediii said:

its cheaper and 18 pounders have more dps

 

From your perspective it would make more sense that:

Wasa fast chaser

Bellona firepower

3rd better turn

Yet everyone sails a Bellona and no one sails a 3rd rate. It seems that no one knows how to play this game (except you of course).

Edited April 30, 2018 by victor

[Lovec1990]

3 minutes ago, Slim McSauce said:

that's IF we don't want to add another 3rd rate at some point in the future

 

another 3rd is 90% comming this year

[victor]

6 minutes ago, Slim McSauce said:

that's IF we don't want to add another 3rd rate at some point in the future

I remember they could add a spanish one, do not remember the name.

EDIT: if I recall correctly it's called "Montanez"

Edited April 30, 2018 by victor

[Capt Jubal Early]

I still think it could do with a 0.10/0.20 knot speed increase and a slight turn rate increase.

At the very least make it cheaper

[Hethwill, the Red Duke]

Not a Game Help Q&A but Discussion. Moved to correct board.

[Raf Van Boom]

I think the Wasa is just fine, you get lots of chasers front/rear and it has nicely packed guns that allow for nice concentrated broadsides. It's also quite short, which is also a benefit.

That's where its specialty is.

[victor]

29 minutes ago, Sovereign said:

 

I would still choose 24s over 18s tho. 

And not counting that you can fit 18s in a bellona too but not 24s in the 3rd rate, so redii's argument does not make a lot of sense in my opinion.

Edited April 30, 2018 by victor

[Sir Texas Sir]

Honestly like the LGV Refit and the La Hormonia the PVP marks should be for the BLUE PRINTS not the ship.  Than once you get the BP you can craft it how ever you want.  Though I Still think the La Horm would make a great CM ship for general players to get there hands on without needing a crafter.  PvP Marks should be reserved for things like Blue prints, paints and mods.  It's the reason your seeing less and less of the Wasa's out there cause why spend that much on it when you can use something you can craft?   Other wise i think the ship it self is very well balanced now.

[Fenris]

There is no need for another buff/nerf b...s...t with this ship again.

Drop the price to 20 PVP marks, i think anyone could live with it.

[Njord]

Even for 20 PvP marks I would rather live with Bellona to be honest... why would I pay more for a ship that offers less in almost all aspects, except for some additional chaser guns and a slightly increased turnrate? 

What I can conclude from this survey is that players generally agree the Wasa is inferior and overpriced compared to Bellona but in the right spot where it is now... despite nobody using it in OW... ? 

I'll stick to my old trusty Bellona.