Ports in Control of Alts

[NethrosDefectus]

I don't want to start naming people or have this turn into a bitching match but I think it is something that needs bringing to the attention of @admin to highlight a broken mechanic that needs fixing.

Currently the British have two (possibly more) ports that are controlled by the alt accounts of players that have left the nation recently. Surely that can't be right, because as a nation we are unable to retake the ports forcefully and it seems that the people in question are unwilling to relinquish control of the ports. It has meant having to make deals to have another nation trying to take the port(s) and then hope we can take it from them in the future. 

Nobody can argue that this is an intended function of the current RvR mechanics, so my question to the devs is: 

Do you have anything planned to address this issue?

(It should also be noted that this just my view as I see the current situation in the nation at the moment and that I don't usually get involved in the RvR side of the game myself)

Edited April 16, 2018 by NethrosDefectus

[MassimoSud]

I believe that the only solution is to move towards clans vs clans mechanics rather than nations vs. nations.

[Molder169]

Well to be fair it already is, but nations are not going anywhere. Easiest way to solve this is give clans the ability to hand over ports to others or even perhaps trade which goes through after resets. Would fix the 'dead clan loses nation ports' issue when a lot of players leave a nation.

[Percival Merewether]

Is this applicable in this situation?

On 30/3/2017 at 8:31 PM, admin said:

Open admissions about being an alt is a serious issue - discussed before. it does not require proof and can cause an immediate ban.

EDIT: after further reading it appears that this rule may only concern “foreign alts” in relation to chat abuse and an immediate chat ban - but I am unsure.

Could this paticular situation also fall under the rules of alt abuse interrupting RvR?

Edited April 16, 2018 by Percival Merewether

[Sir Texas Sir]

I'm pretty sure I know of the clan and ports spoken of, maybe if ya'll came out and screen the said alts in there new nation we would of flipped the port and you would have it back in your hands by the end of the week, but last I checked Brits didn't come out to stop the traitors and was during the first part to busy flipping some other port.  Maybe next time help those that plan to help you out?   It's part of politics getting a friendly nation (well kinda as US is still at war with Brits we just want our coastal ports back) to flip it and than give it back.  

Now the one that we need something in game is switching ports in same nation from one clan to another.  When a clan is dropping or dieing off they can hand a port off to a more active clan. Even more if a big Clan takes a bunch of ports they can hand them off to be held by smaller clans in the nation.  

 

Remember this is an open sand box game, which there can be all types of diplomatic dealings between clans to help each other out in other nations.  Hell we might one day ask the Brtis to flip a port we don't want a certain clan to hold.  Scratch our backs we scratch yours type of deals.  It's way better than the silly old alliance systems which would lock a whole nation into the deal.  Though I would love to see temp clan alliances between nations maybe in the future.

[Greysteak]

I like this idea of ports being an item that can be traded.

[Gregory Rainsborough]

41 minutes ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

I'm pretty sure I know of the clan and ports spoken of, maybe if ya'll came out and screen the said alts in there new nation we would of flipped the port and you would have it back in your hands by the end of the week, but last I checked Brits didn't come out to stop the traitors and was during the first part to busy flipping some other port.  Maybe next time help those that plan to help you out?   It's part of politics getting a friendly nation (well kinda as US is still at war with Brits we just want our coastal ports back) to flip it and than give it back.  

Now the one that we need something in game is switching ports in same nation from one clan to another.  When a clan is dropping or dieing off they can hand a port off to a more active clan. Even more if a big Clan takes a bunch of ports they can hand them off to be held by smaller clans in the nation. 

Remember this is an open sand box game, which there can be all types of diplomatic dealings between clans to help each other out in other nations.  Hell we might one day ask the Brtis to flip a port we don't want a certain clan to hold.  Scratch our backs we scratch yours type of deals.  It's way better than the silly old alliance systems which would lock a whole nation into the deal.  Though I would love to see temp clan alliances between nations maybe in the future.

To be fair we didn't know that they would prevent you from finishing the flip and were ill prepared for that eventuality. That mistake won't be repeated.

[NethrosDefectus]

1 hour ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

I'm pretty sure I know of the clan and ports spoken of, maybe if ya'll came out and screen the said alts in there new nation we would of flipped the port and you would have it back in your hands by the end of the week, but last I checked Brits didn't come out to stop the traitors and was during the first part to busy flipping some other port.  Maybe next time help those that plan to help you out?   It's part of politics getting a friendly nation (well kinda as US is still at war with Brits we just want our coastal ports back) to flip it and than give it back.  

 

"I don't want to start naming people or have this turn into a bitching match but I think it is something that needs bringing to the attention of @admin to highlight a broken mechanic that needs fixing."

Which part of that didn't make sense to you? If you can't add productively to the conversation without slipping in a little dig then please keep your comments to yourself. They are not helpful in the slightest.

I am highlighting the problem in general, not a specific incident

Edited April 16, 2018 by NethrosDefectus

[Sir Texas Sir]

12 minutes ago, NethrosDefectus said:

"I don't want to start naming people or have this turn into a bitching match but I think it is something that needs bringing to the attention of @admin to highlight a broken mechanic that needs fixing."

Which part of that didn't make sense to you? If you can't add productively to the conversation without slipping in a little dig then please keep your comments to yourself. They are not helpful in the slightest.

I am highlighting the problem in general, not a specific incident

I did add about being able to trade clan owned ports in a nation.  I also told you exactly how in game you have to deal with this.  Every thing can't just be push a button and it's solved.  you might actually have to make deals with other nations and players to get things done.

We had a simular problem with a dead clan and loosing a port (one of the ones invloved to be exact) cause of bad mechanics where you can't trade ports off or take control of them from other clans in your nation.

 

Oh your port getting flipped just incase you didn't notice and it's not from us.

Edited April 16, 2018 by Sir Texas Sir

[Slim McSauce]

told ya! lol

[Gregory Rainsborough]

Yeah these kinds of incidents will just frustrate players and the devs need to decide one way or the other.

[IndianaGeoff]

You can't call Clan v Clan a raging success.

[Christoph]

10 hours ago, NethrosDefectus said:

I don't want to start naming people or have this turn into a bitching match but I think it is something that needs bringing to the attention of @admin to highlight a broken mechanic that needs fixing.

Currently the British have two (possibly more) ports that are controlled by the alt accounts of players that have left the nation recently. Surely that can't be right, because as a nation we are unable to retake the ports forcefully and it seems that the people in question are unwilling to relinquish control of the ports. It has meant having to make deals to have another nation trying to take the port(s) and then hope we can take it from them in the future. 

Nobody can argue that this is an intended function of the current RvR mechanics, so my question to the devs is: 

Do you have anything planned to address this issue?

(It should also be noted that this just my view as I see the current situation in the nation at the moment and that I don't usually get involved in the RvR side of the game myself)

Just ask if they set the port to neutral. When we left the British, we also set our ports to neutral 

[Gregory Rainsborough]

13 hours ago, Christoph said:

Just ask if they set the port to neutral. When we left the British, we also set our ports to neutral 

I know you did and it was an honourable thing you did.

We asked them. They refused saying they had no intention of flipping it Dutch.

I said I'd get help in flipping it if they didn't and now they're flipping it Dutch.

#whatasurprisenot

Either way there needs to be a mechanic put in place to prevent this kind of abuse or is it perfectly okay in the minds of the devs?

[Capt Jubal Early]

Yeah this shit exists across the board. RUBL still holds pirate ports even though they've gone Prussian. It is a bit silly.

[IndianaGeoff]

I think that healthy nations make healthy clans.