Night crews

[King of Crowns]

so since there merge there has been no night time fleets except WO and BLANC sailing for France. There are no other organized fleets in the game during the night time hours or 01- Reset. I don't know why this is but it is extremely annoying to have no one to fight in the whole game. everyone complains about getting ganked by us but the reason for this is because there is no one for us to fight. no organized fleets. a few rabble here and there but that's about it.

the question is why can the USA player base across all the nations not organize a fleet? one obvious fact is that the devs have destroyed much of the usa player base. but with 180 players online there should be more than one fleet of 20 people online. so lets talk about why. 

[Sir Texas Sir]

Maybe cause your group tends to hold very late US time.  Your not even really West Cost prime time. I mean it's Sunday night and it's 1-2am for me right now and I'm CST.  That is a bit late when most folks have to work the next day.  Prime time for US players tend to be around 7-9pm CST not in the wee hours of the morning.  You are actually falling more into the AUS/SEA player times being on that late as it's there afternoon.

Than it doesn't help you pull a BLACK most the time and roll in heavy groups of mostly SOL's and wonder why folks don't want to come out and play with your guys.  As I told one of the BLANC guys maybe tone down the fleet comp and you might get more fights in the events and such.  

And to be clear this isn't even my prime time, I'm normally at work having lunch right now Mon-Fri so I'm not online any more during any of the US prime times other than on weekends.  Not sure what you do for real life KoC but like I stated above most folks are in bed after 10PM (it being 2am now) on a Sunday night for work in the morning.  So yah it's not a prime time for any time zones.   Just like in the morning there is a dead zone between the AUS/SEA players and the EU prime times when I get off work in the morning.  One group has gone to bed and the others are just getting on.  There isn't much of a dead zone on player numbers between the EU and US prime times as it covers a good number of players times crossing over across the globe.  Sorry your just playing to late for most folks in your time zones.  Maybe get on a bit early and do things instead of expecting us to stay up and play in your prime time.

[King of Crowns]

4 minutes ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

Maybe cause your group tends to hold very late US time.  Your not even really West Cost prime time. I mean it's Sunday night and it's 1-2am for me right now and I'm CST.  That is a bit late when most folks have to work the next day.  Prime time for US players tend to be around 7-9pm CST not in the wee hours of the morning.  You are actually falling more into the AUS/SEA player times being on that late as it's there afternoon.

Than it doesn't help you pull a BLACK most the time and roll in heavy groups of mostly SOL's and wonder why folks don't want to come out and play with your guys.  As I told one of the BLANC guys maybe tone down the fleet comp and you might get more fights in the events and such.  

And to be clear this isn't even my prime time, I'm normally at work having lunch right now Mon-Fri so I'm not online any more during any of the US prime times other than on weekends.  Not sure what you do for real life KoC but like I stated above most folks are in bed after 10PM (it being 2am now) on a Sunday night for work in the morning.  So yah it's not a prime time for any time zones.   Just like in the morning there is a dead zone between the AUS/SEA players and the EU prime times when I get off work in the morning.  One group has gone to bed and the others are just getting on.  There isn't much of a dead zone on player numbers between the EU and US prime times as it covers a good number of players times crossing over across the globe.  Sorry your just playing to late for most folks in your time zones.  Maybe get on a bit early and do things instead of expecting us to stay up and play in your prime time.

there is still no fleet. from the usa. or any other nation during the 9EST to reset.  and we roll in all kinds of ships so that doesn't work. there are no other fleets. during this time zone. 

[Sir Texas Sir]

18 minutes ago, King of Crowns said:

there is still no fleet. from the usa. or any other nation during the 9EST to reset.  and we roll in all kinds of ships so that doesn't work. there are no other fleets. during this time zone. 

Do you mean in the events?  No one wants to go do the gank fest is why, it's the same with the old PvP zones.  That and it's to far for most folks that don't want to set up (we have Tumb but mainly go early on not late).   Hell heard ya'll had an interesting night Sat?  Got to remember most of these US players in the US nation are still carebears, newbs and very inexperienced.  That is why they get slaughtered fighting against any stronger force even if they out number them 4 to 1, while most of the guys your rolling with are seasoned PvPer's.  It kinda what happens when you pick up most of the PvPers from three nations and merge them into one.  Hell I know all about this from BLACK days over on GLOBAL.  No one wanted to fight us when we rolled around in big groups of SOL's only.  That is why I brought up toning it down to the BLANC guy, cause that event they had nothing but 4-1st rates when every one was taking out 5th rates.

We are working with them, that is why we been doing mainly fights in the shallows, but seems like GB just gave up that area and didn't even try once we where showing up in the early morning times on weekends they set battles to.  You pick your fights when your got a weaker team.  Numbers are great but not when most of the guys still can't manual sale when they are Rear Admirals, or have a clue how to tag or will even engage a ship in a fight.  They still snipping sails from a mile away.  Give us some times we will be out there with a group soon or later even in the events, but for now we got to get these boys up and going.

Would be nice to see more of the US prime time GB clans out and about.  Was nice seeing some faces at Marsh Harbour (wasn't there had to sleep) that I haven't seen in ages since the merge.  We actually thought CKA was dead.  

Edited March 26, 2018 by Sir Texas Sir

[Atreides]

Maybe YOUR group could join on both sides, mix it up a bit to actually get a fight.  For example, I play really late and sometimes I see nothing but AI, so I tag it into battle.  You guys come in and it is GB vs Dutch, or Spain.  NOTHING is stopping you from joining both sides for a fun, challenging battle.  But you all join on one side... I fight as long as hard as I can, you guys get an easy kill.  Annoying and frankly boring for all.  This is unfortanatly the situation, I rarely get anyone to come to the PVP zone, because they know you guys will just steamroll in.

 

I agree it is a sad state of affairs, but only French players have the ability to fix this KoC.  It is up to you if you want to have good fights or not.

Edited March 26, 2018 by Atreides

[King of Crowns]

12 minutes ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

Do you mean in the events?  No one wants to go do the gank fest is why, it's the same with the old PvP zones.  That and it's to far for most folks that don't want to set up (we have Tumb but mainly go early on not late).   Hell heard ya'll had an interesting night Sat?  Got to remember most of these US players in the US nation are still carebears, newbs and very inexperienced.  That is why they get slaughtered fighting against any stronger force even if they out number them 4 to 1, while most of the guys your rolling with are seasoned PvPer's.  It kinda what happens when you pick up most of the PvPers from three nations and merge them into one.  Hell I know all about this from BLACK days over on GLOBAL.  No one wanted to fight us when we rolled around in big groups of SOL's only.  That is why I brought up toning it down to the BLANC guy, cause that event they had nothing but 4-1st rates when every one was taking out 5th rates.

We are working with them, that is why we been doing mainly fights in the shallows, but seems like GB just gave up that area and didn't even try once we where showing up in the early morning times on weekends they set battles to.  You pick your fights when your got a weaker team.  Numbers are great but not when most of the guys still can't manual sale when they are Rear Admirals, or have a clue how to tag or will even engage a ship in a fight.  They still snipping sails from a mile away.  Give us some times we will be out there with a group soon or later even in the events, but for now we got to get these boys up and going.

Would be nice to see more of the US prime time GB clans out and about.  Was nice seeing some faces at Marsh Harbour (wasn't there had to sleep) that I haven't seen in ages since the merge.  We actually thought CKA was dead.  

I mean for port battles. 

[King of Crowns]

10 minutes ago, Atreides said:

Maybe YOUR group could join on both sides, mix it up a bit to actually get a fight.  For example, I play really late and sometimes I see nothing but AI, so I tag it into battle.  You guys come in and it is GB vs Dutch, or Spain.  NOTHING is stopping you from joining both sides for a fun, challenging battle.  But you all join on one side... I fight as long as hard as I can, you guys get an easy kill.  Annoying and frankly boring for all.  This is unfortanatly the situation, I rarely get anyone to come to the PVP zone, because they know you guys will just steamroll in.

 

I agree it is a sad state of affairs, but only French players have the ability to fix this KoC.  It is up to you if you want to have good fights or not.

you cannot join both sides. once one French player joines all French players have to join that side. 

[Atreides]

Well, maybe the devs can fix that, I'm starting to get burned out on seeing how long I can stay alive vs 6-8 people.  I'll do my pvp'ing earlier in the day, when there is more than just a dread fleet rolling around looking to squash lone players.  It is what it is, no salt here, just losing interest in this type of play.

 

[Bodye]

They should implement some ratio into these battle, like 2:1 up to the limit. It should be more fun for sure. 

What about US coast it's also empty during these hours?

[Nelsons Barrel]

My experience with WO is so far that this is clan tries everything possible to not have to fight on equal BR or when it is comes to those situations a revenge fleet sits outside just to make sure you don't return home with your ship.  

I can understand every player who does not like to play this game of overkill  constantly. 

Edited March 26, 2018 by Nelsons Barrel

[Sir Texas Sir]

52 minutes ago, King of Crowns said:

I mean for port battles. 

Again look at all your timers and when you attack folks.  It's very late for most folks.  Last I remember some one said you live in Texas/CST but most of your play is very late. It's 3am in the morning right now for us.  That is why you don't have many folks wanting to fight you.  By time we do agro and get a port flipped it's 10-11 at night or later and most folks that have normal lives are heading off to bed are already in bed even on weekends.   

With Port Battles now a days half the fight is out side.  Really haven't seen WO/BLANC run up to many ports other than here and there and always very late if it's open timers.  Have ya'll tried an early port timer on the weekends or is all your clan members only very late night players?

51 minutes ago, King of Crowns said:

you cannot join both sides. once one French player joines all French players have to join that side. 

You stated in your post about 20 (normally see ya'll roll with 6-10 in those events) players....well maybe only send in a few of those players and the rest go find another fight.  NO reason for all of the group to jump in and crush folks every time.  That are join the lower number side.  The new BR/ROE stuff is suppose to help with this, but i know a lot of our guys have stopped going to the events in the evenings cause there little groups of 1-3 players in 5th rates keep getting jumped by groups of 6-10 of your guys in mostly SOL's with a few SOL's and maybe one fast tagger.  You want fights in those events tone down your numbers and split up your group.  Last Tumbado event we went off and did some coast line hunting cause it was more fun than getting ganked by a very large number of SOL's.  This is why the events should really be limted to 3rd rates and below and 2nd/1st should be for griding and PB's mainly not events.  That are they could make each events have limits.  Like Shallow water one is for shallow water ships as it all ready is.  Tumbad is only for 4th rates and below.  The Central one can be for anything goes.

[HachiRoku]

Simple. gb night crew sux. We have 20 people who are rvr players in total. I have tried to find good commanders for us player base but anyone that could will not waste their time with cka or armed. People don't follow orders etc. The problem is that people cannot stand gb night crew and either leave nation or game. We would need 5-10 really good players to carry the rest for a starter. All I know is that pellew, Greg and myself will not waste time with people that don't care about winning or losing. I've tried. I have few east coast players that play on EU times. I don't know why you start playing so late but if you logged at 3pm Texas time I will give you content. 

[Sir Texas Sir]

6 minutes ago, HachiRoku said:

Simple. gb night crew sux. We have 20 people who are rvr players in total. I have tried to find good commanders for us player base but anyone that could will not waste their time with cka or armed. People don't follow orders etc. The problem is that people cannot stand gb night crew and either leave nation or game. We would need 5-10 really good players to carry the rest for a starter. All I know is that pellew, Greg and myself will not waste time with people that don't care about winning or losing. I've tried. I have few east coast players that play on EU times. I don't know why you start playing so late but if you logged at 3pm Texas time I will give you content. 

Even though I was surprised at the Marsh turn out, but KoC problem is he's not really night crew, they are LATE LATE NIGHT CREW.  They mainly play after most of the US folks are heading off to bed cause they have to work in the morning.  He also forgets to tell folks that when the merge happend he took the majority of the US, GB and France GLOBAL RvR/PvP players with them and made one group in one nation which is why they don't have many folks willing to fight them.

While US has numbers we suffer from the same problem as GB on the quality of those players.  Some of them are so set in there broken ways it's sad, but a few of them are willing to change and learn too.  Other wise for the most part we just wait and do things on the weekends mainly in EU time also or early.  It was also why we where hoping for more of a fight in the shallows as that is great training grounds.  Didn't want to push deep water ports cause these guys wouldn't last in a deep water port battle.  Specially when it's very much limited to small group engagements where a good team can easly run and hold a port.   It's easier to make up for the lack of skills in the bigger fights by shear numbers but as we all seen even that doesn't work when folks just throw crappy ships at other teams and wonder why they keep getting sunk over and over or refuse to learn basic stuff like how to manual sail.

[King of Crowns]

this post is not about our hunting habbits this post is about getting explanations as to why no other usa players can seem to organize a fleet?

[HachiRoku]

16 minutes ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

Even though I was surprised at the Marsh turn out, but KoC problem is he's not really night crew, they are LATE LATE NIGHT CREW.  They mainly play after most of the US folks are heading off to bed cause they have to work in the morning.  He also forgets to tell folks that when the merge happend he took the majority of the US, GB and France GLOBAL RvR/PvP players with them and made one group in one nation which is why they don't have many folks willing to fight them.

While US has numbers we suffer from the same problem as GB on the quality of those players.  Some of them are so set in there broken ways it's sad, but a few of them are willing to change and learn too.  Other wise for the most part we just wait and do things on the weekends mainly in EU time also or early.  It was also why we where hoping for more of a fight in the shallows as that is great training grounds.  Didn't want to push deep water ports cause these guys wouldn't last in a deep water port battle.  Specially when it's very much limited to small group engagements where a good team can easly run and hold a port.   It's easier to make up for the lack of skills in the bigger fights by shear numbers but as we all seen even that doesn't work when folks just throw crappy ships at other teams and wonder why they keep getting sunk over and over or refuse to learn basic stuff like how to manual sail.

Well you pushed gb out of the shallows and did a few of us a favor. We would argue a lot internally about the shallows. No one wanted to defend etc. We sailed 1st rates there from kpr at 2am to attack your ports with no timers from Jobe. The way Cabo was open was retarded luck.... Here is the thing though. I don't want to fight you but lord drax lied to Greg about me and told gb I planned octaflip. US made it personal and I feed of salt in wars. You don't need to worry though. I think in less that a month we will be bored or gb and prussia might start some biff in the area. Maybe we will attack Spain again but atm gb is looking for content not ports. I want to give that live oak port with 10000br on Florida coast to train some rookies. The gb us war is good for our noobs on both sides. 

[HachiRoku]

1 minute ago, King of Crowns said:

this post is not about our hunting habbits this post is about getting explanations as to why no other usa players can seem to organize a fleet?

It has been pointed out to you already. You took all the rvrers into your nation from global. No competition = people get bored and quit 

[Sir Texas Sir]

51 minutes ago, HachiRoku said:

Well you pushed gb out of the shallows and did a few of us a favor. We would argue a lot internally about the shallows. No one wanted to defend etc. We sailed 1st rates there from kpr at 2am to attack your ports with no timers from Jobe. The way Cabo was open was retarded luck.... Here is the thing though. I don't want to fight you but lord drax lied to Greg about me and told gb I planned octaflip. US made it personal and I feed of salt in wars. You don't need to worry though. I think in less that a month we will be bored or gb and prussia might start some biff in the area. Maybe we will attack Spain again but atm gb is looking for content not ports. I want to give that live oak port with 10000br on Florida coast to train some rookies. The gb us war is good for our noobs on both sides. 

Just for the record even though some folks where going around saying I said other wise.  We had no plans to touch any ports in South Bahamas other than Port Author on Octoflip day.  Our two ports that day was going to be Little Harbor and Port Author (before they removed it being deep water we wanted to stage ships closer to the other side of Bahamas).  Timer changes made us hit Marsh instead of little and bad wind made us pick La Des.  Though the goal for that was never to take a port but to tie Brits up for the Russians and who ever else wanted to take a port from crappy time windows.   I think it's funny you got the blame cause we for sure wasn't telling any of the Brits of our clans.  Hell we even left a nation or two out of that weekend plans for a reason.  It was fun and proved a point that you can set timers all you want but if you piss off enough nations and clans your going to get hit by mulit nations/clans.

Yah Cabo and the rest of the ports over this weekend has been a hot mess for US and it's been a big learning curve too, we basically got to say, "Told you so," about things we been warning them for a while about timers and being easily attacked if they didn't get there act straight.  Just to let ya'll know we don't plan to put timers on the none important shallow ports cause we want them to be flipped back and forth by nations to fight over and train. The best way these guys are going to learn on both sides is by actually getting out there and fighting. You got to sink a few times (well many many many times for some of these guys) before you learn to swim.  

We will give ya'll a fight until the cost is clear down florida for sure, but don't expect some awsome epic battles as these guys are still learning and many are catching on.  That 10000BR port will be a monster of a battle though.  I honestly don't mind having nations around.  That is why my clan and I know VCO has no plans to flip Crown Haven, we want the Brits to keep a port in that region and I don't count Shroud as a port for it's every ones gank fest zone.  We just don't want a bunch of deep water ports next to our capital is all.   But these guys are no way ready to fight the Prussian and I don't even think they are ready for GB or France in deep water yet, but we will try.

 

50 minutes ago, HachiRoku said:

It has been pointed out to you already. You took all the rvrers into your nation from global. No competition = people get bored and quit 

Basically they did what BLACK did over time on GLOBAL.  Folks got bored cause no one was fighting (cause of stupid alliances) so they came over and joined BLACK since every one hated or fought them.  But when folks stop fighting them and hid they got bored and complained than stopped logging in.  I'll be honest BLACK was pretty much dead when the wipe happen.  Only a few of us was left and Pirates didn't get any new players from EU when that happen.  If VCO didn't come over pirates we where pretty much dead and living off the fear from the past and a lot of bluffing on my part.  @Christendom can confirm that we pretty much was a dead skeleton crew of a clan.   That was also why we started to avoid fights with WO and the alliance horde they brought over between GB/US/France, we just didn't have the numbers to fight them.  We never had numbers even in BLACKS prime it was only 15-20 guys with maybe 25+ at prime numbers a year or so ago.

We would roll around in nothing but SOL's cause of our small numbers and folks just don't want to fight a loosing battle every time.  It didn't work for BLACK in the long run and it seems it's not working for the FRENCH late night crew.  They prob need to log on an hour or two early and they might get more action, cause they aren't the night crew they are the late late night crew when they come out.

Though with the new VM system and the fact we actually have ports that fresh new players have Lord Protectors on you will see more SOL's out in fights to come, but we got to get these guys to figure out how to sail them first lol

[HachiRoku]

20 minutes ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

but we got to get these guys to figure out how to sail them first lol

In my experience people that are rear Admiral and can't sail will never be good. In Gb its like this. We don't recruit. If someone wants pvp they will come to us. 

[Lord Amplify of Key West]

CNN breaking news: where did kingy go? 

we go now live to our on the scene reporter amplify 

Amplify: well i haven't seen kingy in weeks then again he prefers to stump noobs even do there are enough other targets out there but he doesn't want a real fight against other people i'd say to go look somewhere else kingy you got the fleet to fight the other good groups so why don't you?

[Christendom]

3 hours ago, Nelsons Barrel said:

My experience with WO is so far that this is clan tries everything possible to not have to fight on equal BR or when it is comes to those situations a revenge fleet sits outside just to make sure you don't return home with your ship.  

I can understand every player who does not like to play this game of overkill  constantly. 

Pretty much this.

You very seldom fight when the BR is close or not in your favor.  I remember one fight in Swedeland where it was a 4 on 4 of sorts and you guys ran and got out of the battle and to our surprise we found 3x our BR sitting outside waiting for us.

You don’t want fair fights or even good fights.  You just want someone to be your punching bag for your evening zerg of players.  And yes, you are the nighttime zerg.  You know you outnumber most people in the evening patrol zones but you still roll out in big ships just to dominate.  Why should people oblige you?

Fighting KoC and his band of merry men is just not enjoyable.  You shit talk your opponents, make snide comments and when you win you berate the shit out of them in global.  When you do lose fights you refuse to GG and blame everyone under the sun for your loss or continue to shit talk the other side because they didn’t fight you how you wanted.  See Hat Island.  

From my perspective I’ve found you to be a terribly unkind and bigoted player that I take zero enjoyment in fighting.  I would rather lose ports than show up to provide you content.  

Your behavior in game directly translates into why you have no content.  Time for you to move WO and breakup that Zerg.  Or just keep whining on here like a fool.

Edited March 26, 2018 by Christendom

[HachiRoku]

10 minutes ago, Christendom said:

Pretty much this.

You very seldom fight when the BR is close or not in your favor.  I remember I fight in Swedeland where it was a 4 on 4 of sorts and you guys ran and got out of the battle and to our surprise we found 3x our BR sitting outside waiting for us.

You don’t want fair fights or even good fights.  You just want someone to be your punching bag for your evening zerg of players.  And yes, you are the nighttime zerg.  You know you outnumber most people in the evening patrol zones but you still roll out in big ships just to dominate.  Why should people oblige you?

Fighting KoC and his band of merry men is just not enjoyable.  You shit talk your opponents, make snide comments and when you win you berate the shit out of them in global.  When you do lose fights you refuse to GG and blame everyone under the sun for your loss or continue to shit talk the other side because they didn’t fight you how you wanted.  See Hat Island.  

From my perspective I’ve found you to be a terribly unkind and  bigoted player that I take zero enjoyment in fighting.  I would rather lose ports than show up to provide you content.  

Your behavior in game directly translates into why you have no content.  Time for you to move WO and breakup that Zerg.  Or just keep whining on here like a fool.

Amen brother 

[Palatinose]

KoC I'm sorry but Christendom is right. It's pretty unpleasant to fight you guys when in a bigger group as you don't fight for the fights sake, but always to win. There is no group in NA that I know to be as salty as you guys. 

[Christendom]

One of my favorite shots.  After the Hat Island PB where you were outsmarted for an hour and a half.

[Teutonic]

4 hours ago, HachiRoku said:

It has been pointed out to you already. You took all the rvrers into your nation from global. No competition = people get bored and quit 

He doesn't want to hear it obviously.

Nothing more to add after @Christendom post, says all that needs to be said.

[Christendom]

I remember at the start of the global experiment kingy fought the pirates at first, which gave him a decent amount of competition.  He then cut a deal so he didn’t have to fight them and then chose to mercilessly gank Brit and Dutch noobs down south.  New player in a tbrig?  Doesn’t matter. Over and over he farmed down by great corn and actually caused several clans to quit the game and/or move over to Denmark... where he proceeded to hunt them again.  Some of those AUSEZ guys ended up just saying screw it and went to the PVE server.  I remember telling him and Rab that if you over fish you will.....run out of fish.  And he did and then went into hibernation. 

Queue a month or 2 later when VCO goes pirate. He rallys every other nation but Pirates and a dead Denmark against us.  Zergs the OW with superior numbers and then complained when no one would fight him.  After about 7 or 8 losses including a couple multi flips with his coalition of nations he finally wins a fully contested PB.  Gracious in victory?  Nah.  Shit taking and gloating.  

He’s had similar tactics and patterns of behavior now that everyone is back on one server again.  Zergs it up at night with overwhelming numbers claiming he wants fair PVP.  Refuses to change his timers or attacks EU ports out of fear during the weekends.  He kills and out numbers the competition and then shit talks you for coming out.  

Then wonders...”why won’t anyone fight me?”