L'Hermione Needs Improvements

[William Death]

I've been testing the L'Hermione recently, and I've found it to be very disappointing, especially considering that it now costs 15 PvP marks. I'm relieved that I bought a few back when they cost combat marks. If I had spent PvP marks on a ship that is this bad, I'd be upset (glares at the LGV Refit but refuses to rant about it in this thread). The sailing profile is not very good, HP is low, thickness is low, turn rate is rather low too. Firepower is quite decent though. I feel it needs some buffs.

For reference, this is my L'Hermione (the true base speed cannot be viewed while in the ship with cannons and repairs loaded, you need to go to another ship to look at it; the real base speed is 13.00kn):

1. Comparing the sailing profile to various fifth rates show it to be a poor sailor, have a look at the following profiles. In fact, it is nearly the same profile as the much more powerful Indefatigable!

(I simply highlighted the L'Hermione at a random spot to differentiate it from the similarly colored Belle Poule's profile)

I'd also like to point out that tacking the L'Hermione is painful. The ship comes up into the wind nicely, till it gets about 15* off the wind. Then it begins quickly losing all speed and then spends a few moments reversing as it slowly falls away on the new tack. It tacks much like some of the heavy 3rd and 4th rates we have. Not the way I think a light frigate should.

Solution: Give L'Hermione a sailing profile similar to Belle Poule/Trincomalee. Not as good as Surprise or Endymion upwind, but better than what it currently is. Looking at L'Hermione, there are plenty of staysails, so I'm not sure why the she behaves so poorly upwind. Also, fix the tacking. L'Hermione should be able to tack through the wind without reversing. It is a light frigate, not a ship of the line or super heavy frigate/4th rate.

2. Comparing HP and thickness, as well as speed and turn rate between Belle Poule, Surprise, and L'Hermione, we can see how poorly the L'Hermione stacks up.

Belle Poule:       3825  HP              60  thickness             4.23  turn rate         12.98  speed

Surprise:            3400  HP              57  thickness             4.11  turn rate         12.90  speed

L'Hermione:       3500  HP              58  thickness             3.47  turn rate         13.00  speed

Solution: Give L'Hermione 3625 HP,  60 thickness, and 3.90 turn rate. I think the speed could be left at 13.00.

 

With these changes, the L'Hermione will become much more popular to sail. It won't outsail the Surprise or Endymion upwind. It won't be tougher than the Belle Poule (with that wonderful tumblehome). It won't turn faster than either ship. L'Hermione's advantage then, would be the larger guns and a very decent sailing profile that escapes or catches most larger frigates at some angle or another.

 

Besides all that, I think the OW sailing profile needs a major buff: the ship drops to 4.0kn while sailing upwind. I've noticed this on several ships, most recently, on L'Hermione and Ingermanland.

I know L'Hermione isn't the only ship that needs some adjusting right now: I mentioned the same sort of buffs and adjustments in Admin's thread about the final changes to the sailing model, but I just thought I'd point it out in a separate thread since L'Hermione doesn't seem to get too much attention.

Thoughts on these changes? Anyone else sail the L'Hermione recently? If so, how balanced do you think it is/isn't?

[Landsman]

2 hours ago, William Death said:

glares at the LGV Refit but refuses to rant about it in this thread

@admin Yeah, please consider at least giving it a better profile, tiny bit more speed ( 12.90 + ) and 5 slots. I mean the swivel guns look cool and all but outside of giving an advantage in fire deck guns during boarding (?) they aren't too useful. It looks really nice but it's not even worth 5 PvP Marks in its current state...

This ship could be so nice as real pirate / raiding ship and smuggler but it seems overnerfed...

[Slim McSauce]

This ship shouldn't cost PVP marks. It served well as a cheap mass produced frigate when it was for CMs and anyone could get it. It's such an unremarkable ship outside of looks, it makes no sense that its PVP mark exclusive. But that can be said about a lot of things in the PVP/VM marketplace 

Edited January 18, 2018 by Slim Jimmerson

[Gregory Rainsborough]

Please change paint scheme.

[LeBoiteux]

9 hours ago, Gregory Rainsborough said:

Please change paint scheme.

'Ceci est hors de question, Monsieur !' 

('No way, Sir!')

[Farrago]

Since the Hermione is no longer craftable, I haven't redeemed my old one, but it's disappointing to hear that it has suffered from the new sailing profiles. I liked it alot. 

[Teutonic]

Nothing more needs to be added. I am in full agreement with @William Death

[VonVolks]

I've always schemed on getting one of these and just finally decided to jump in. So far fairly unimpressed, but I will unlock slots and get used to her and follow / update this thread.

Trying to work out what she is "for". Seems to be a slightly worse (lot worse?) Bel Poule (my favourite frig) but with a couple of extra guns and chasers.

[Navalus Magnus]

There are two ships with almost the same name, but different sailing profiles.

Which one is the ingame l'Hermione actually?

 

[William Death]

2 hours ago, Navalus Magnus said:

There are two ships with almost the same name, but different sailing profiles.

Which one is the ingame l'Hermione actually?

 

"Lhermione" is the L'Hermione in game. "Hermione" is the Santa Cecilia.

[Slim McSauce]

hermie at its current state would make a good combat mark ship. It's not craftable so it isnt cutting into content, and hardly anyone is going to spend the 15-20 marks on the thing when they can get much more bang for their buck on a connie or bello or wasa 

[Citoyen]

IG, Is not the Hermione just little too high on the water compared to the Belle poule water line?

 

 

 

Edited September 7, 2019 by Citoyen J
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[Sire Trinkof]

On 5/4/2018 at 8:05 AM, Julien A-F said:

IG, Is not the Hermione just little too high on the water compared to the Belle poule water line?

 

Hermione replica is too high on water and oversized due to régulation regarding ship tansporting passengers.... and reuced weight of artillery, powder, food water ... and 270 men on-board (on the real one decks were lower and would almost not allow you to stand up completely ) and the in game model seems to be based on the replica... this is why it appears so big compared to belle poule. They should have the same size and roughly the same waterline.

Edited May 22, 2018 by Sire Trinkof

[Sire Trinkof]

Regarding speed it should be faster... Regarding turn rate, the question is not relevant as turn rate in game and acceleration are overrated a lot for gameplay purpose .... IRL it took 10_12 minutes to make a square rigged ship turning against the wind , so any comparison with in game turn rate is a non sense.... that being said, with realistic speed third rate, bucentaur etc... should be faster than frigates ... 😊, and 6th rate square rigged (Cerberus, surprise, etc... ) should be the worst sailor.

[Citoyen]

it may not be the current priority but is it planned to add the figurehead to the Hermione?

@admin?

 

 

 

 

Edited October 22, 2019 by Citoyen J

[Malachi]

A lion? I thought the official regulations (mid 1760s - mid 1770s) regarding this type of figurehead weren´t in place anymore when L' Hermione was built?

 

Source: ancre.fr

 

Edited April 5, 2019 by Malachi

[Citoyen]

 

3 hours ago, Malachi said:

A lion? I thought the official regulations (mid 1760s - mid 1770s) regarding this type of figurehead weren´t in place anymore when L' Hermione was built?

Source: ancre.fr

the developers put the replica of the hermione in play so it is logical that the figurehead is that of the replica

sorry but your source isn't the Hermione replica in game

[Lovec1990]

I wonder how hard and timeconsuming is too resize and make her sit lower in water @admin ?