Navalus Magnus Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 @admin Dear devs, i appreciate your efforts to make the ship models and their sailing profiles as realistic as possible! BUT right now you have some ships, which aren't usefull anymore. For example the Victory: 1. It's the smallest 1st rate. In terms of broadside weight and crew size this puts her in big disadvantages to the other 1st rates (less damage and easyer to board)! Admittedly this was that way right from the start and i don't want you to change that, BUT ... 2. With the last patch the Victory lost her superiority to the other 1st rates in terms of upwind sailing too! That was a former asset which made her a serious alternative to the "bigger boats" (see pbs of the swedish). NOW the Victory is kind of obsolete! IMO no ship - and least of all the Victory - should be obsolete! Please work out a way to find an asset which makes every ship individual and reasonable to use in game! AND concerning the Victory: Please give her back her old strength, so that she becomes the manoeuvrable alternative to Santi and l'Ocean again, that she was!
sveno Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 IMHO I am happy that the Santi is usefull right now - its so sexy!
HachiRoku Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 I'm not sure that is correct. Victory still tarns far better than either and is not that bad close hauled. Maybe a bit of buff couldn't harm her but the santi was also obsolete for the last 12 months.
Zorg the Merciless Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 make it available for Combat marks rather than Victory marks? Would give those nations struggling with access to Victory Marks at least one 1st rate they could purchase. 2
Navalus Magnus Posted January 8, 2018 Author Posted January 8, 2018 9 minutes ago, sveno said: IMHO I am happy that the Santi is usefull right now - its so sexy! I don’t vote against the Santi - although I like the Vic more - I‘d just like to have a reason to sail Vics into pbs besides they are looking good!
Navalus Magnus Posted January 8, 2018 Author Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, HachiRoku said: I'm not sure that is correct. Victory still tarns far better than either and is not that bad close hauled. Maybe a bit of buff couldn't harm her but the santi was also obsolete for the last 12 months. The Vic does have a better turnrate but practically doesn’t turn that much better than the other 1st rates because of her limited upwind sailing capabilities. You had the occasional Santi in pb fleets because of their massive firepower! But nobody would take the occasional Vic because of a theoretically slightly better turnrate. Edited January 8, 2018 by Navalus Magnus
Navalus Magnus Posted January 8, 2018 Author Posted January 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, Intrepido said: Santi is obsolete. Low HP, slow, heels a bit too much, very easy to penetrate and to aim... No one uses a Santi in PVP neither RVR (PB). You really think so 🤔 We‘ll see i guess!
Anolytic Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 Victory is still more manoeuvrable and is far from obsolete or unbalanced. If anything it has become more balanced. 7 minutes ago, Intrepido said: No one uses a Santi in PVP You haven't been around much then. Santi is used in PvP about as much as the other 1st rates.
HachiRoku Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Navalus Magnus said: The Vic does have a better turnrate but practically doesn’t turn that much better than the other 1st rates because of her limited upwind sailing capabilities. You had the occasional Santi in pb fleets because of their massive firepower! Bit nobody would take the occasional Vic because of a theoretically slightly better turnrate. thing is since leeway I cant really test because wind is shifting far to fast.... What ive seen my so far is that my victory is as fast as my santi close hauled but she is a 0.5 knot faster ship overall. I am no expert but I would be suprised that santi is better sailor in real life.
Navalus Magnus Posted January 8, 2018 Author Posted January 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, HachiRoku said: I am no expert but I would be suprised that santi is better sailor in real life. That‘s what I also think!
Navalus Magnus Posted January 8, 2018 Author Posted January 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, HachiRoku said: What ive seen my so far is that my victory is as fast as my santi close hauled but she is a 0.5 knot faster ship overall Today i sailed with some friends: Going upwind (three points from the wind) in OW i caught their Vics with my Santi easily.
Serk Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) Victory also has a lower BR thant the other 2 first rate. In some PB, that can mean one or 2 more ships (Wasas or Mortar brigs, for exemple) than if you used Océans or Santi. That can make a huge difference. Edited January 8, 2018 by Serk 1
Navalus Magnus Posted January 9, 2018 Author Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Anolytic said: Victory is still more manoeuvrable and is far from obsolete or unbalanced. If anything it has become more balanced. Before the last patches I saw all three 1st rates in pbs regularly. let‘s see if that continues to be true. Than we‘ll have sort of an evidence of how ballanced the Victory and other ships really are. @admin and @Ink It might be helpful to finally get adjusted BR for all of the ships! Edited January 9, 2018 by Navalus Magnus 1
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