How long do we have to wait until Wasa is balanced?

[Slim McSauce]

Its OP. It rules OW PVP, it rules PBs, when the f*** can we have balanced PVP again?

[Seraphic Radiance]

1 minute ago, Slim Jimmerson said:

Its OP. It rules OW PVP, it rules PBs, when the f*** can we have balanced PVP again?

Admin loves it , it will stay as is. 

[Slim McSauce]

Just now, Seraphic Radiance said:

Admin loves it , it will stay as is. 

Balance was so much better before the Wasa, the worst thing we had to worry about was speedy connies and endymions. 

Now every asshole and their mother Sails the Wasa going 14.5 knts demasting any ship smaller then it. Its total BS

[Slim McSauce]

Just now, Coraline Vodka said:

Can't beatum joinum sadly

That's PVP now  Sail Wasa or sail and a 5 man fleet of fir/fir frigates and pray you can win what is essentially 1:1 odds

Edited December 27, 2017 by Slim Jimmerson

[victor]

42 minutes ago, Slim Jimmerson said:

Its OP. It rules OW PVP, it rules PBs, when the f*** can we have balanced PVP again?

Make connie great again!

[Fellvred]

Can have as much balanced 4th rate combat as you want in Legends, there's no wasa there yet

[Sir Texas Sir]

1 hour ago, Slim Jimmerson said:

That's PVP now  Sail Wasa or sail and a 5 man fleet of fir/fir frigates and pray you can win what is essentially 1:1 odds

In the right hands some ships aren't that OP.  I beaten my fair share of Wasa's in my Aggy's so it's not that OP.  Than again it wasn't a Fir Fir Aggy either.   It has many weakness actually if you just know them.  Than again if all you run is Fir Fir ships yes it's going to eat you alive.

52 minutes ago, victor said:

Make connie great again!

Many of the old ships could use some of there old stats they got nerf down for balance with older ships.   

 

[Sir Texas Sir]

4 minutes ago, Otto Kohl said:

Propably you never fought player who know how to use his ship properly. Wasa is OP no doubt about that. Only players that suck big time with other ships will say otherwise.

Your an elite player in most folks book so just about any ships is going to be OP in your hands. If you ever played WoT every one thought the Type 59 was an OP tank, it honestly wasn't but every one that owned it including myself had maxed out 5 perk crew cause there was no other Chinese tanks in the game for a long time.   It seems way more OP than it is cause of the other ships being so nerfed after they came out and second when you put it in a very skilled hand player compared to most average joes out there he's going to mop the floor of them with it.   For many that don't know how to use ships properly they need that edge.  This ship isn't OP, it is just unbalanced and needs to be put up with the 3rd rates where it belongs.  Drop the acceleration and maybe turn rate on it and make it more like the 3rd rate it is.   

Remember the OP posted 5 fir/fir ships couldn't beat one.  Well from every fight i been in with the OP all I seen him do is run, I seen nothing but the tail of his ship in PB's and other fights.  Maybe he needs to stop running all the time and come in ships that can take a beaten.

Now that it's an expensive ship maybe we will see more folks back in Ballona's and other ships that are cheaper to get into, but have about the same fire power and armor.

[Bubba Smith]

3 hours ago, Seraphic Radiance said:

Admin loves it , it will stay as is. 

Good. 

[Slim McSauce]

2 hours ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

Your an elite player in most folks book so just about any ships is going to be OP in your hands. If you ever played WoT every one thought the Type 59 was an OP tank, it honestly wasn't but every one that owned it including myself had maxed out 5 perk crew cause there was no other Chinese tanks in the game for a long time.   It seems way more OP than it is cause of the other ships being so nerfed after they came out and second when you put it in a very skilled hand player compared to most average joes out there he's going to mop the floor of them with it.   For many that don't know how to use ships properly they need that edge.  This ship isn't OP, it is just unbalanced and needs to be put up with the 3rd rates where it belongs.  Drop the acceleration and maybe turn rate on it and make it more like the 3rd rate it is.   

Remember the OP posted 5 fir/fir ships couldn't beat one.  Well from every fight i been in with the OP all I seen him do is run, I seen nothing but the tail of his ship in PB's and other fights.  Maybe he needs to stop running all the time and come in ships that can take a beaten.

Now that it's an expensive ship maybe we will see more folks back in Ballona's and other ships that are cheaper to get into, but have about the same fire power and armor.

Here's a question, Ingermanland v Wasa and why?

A follow up question, why do you think changing Wasa to a 3rd rate would change that answer?

Like balance didn't even matter to the devs.

[Christendom]

 

[IndianaGeoff]

2 hours ago, Slim Jimmerson said:

Here's a question, Ingermanland v Wasa and why?

A follow up question, why do you think changing Wasa to a 3rd rate would change that answer?

 

Like balance didn't even matter to the devs.

Well, that pretty well shuts down the "everything's fine" argument.

[Teutonic]

15 minutes ago, IndianaGeoff said:

Well, that pretty well shuts down the "everything's fine" argument.

Pretty much. Everytime i hear people say "things are fine" I point to the ingermanland and ask, " you really think so?"

I always get "well the inger is good in certain situations--"

No. No it's not. Stop trying to defend an utterly broken ship in the wasa, and stop trying to defend the current "balance" of ships. And trust me, balancing ships based on price or economy doesn't change how OP it is and it certainly doesn't change the importance of sailing one.

Edited December 28, 2017 by Teutonic

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

maybe the devs will want to implement it as a "premium", pay-for-play, ship like they do in WorldOfWarships. 

get ready to shell out $20-30 for gold "premium" pixel vessels when NA goes live.... good grief! 

[Sir Texas Sir]

4 hours ago, Slim Jimmerson said:

Here's a question, Ingermanland v Wasa and why?

A follow up question, why do you think changing Wasa to a 3rd rate would change that answer?

Like balance didn't even matter to the devs.

Now do that next to a Bellona and 3rd rate and you will see way I say move it to a 3rd rate and BR change.   Ingermanland is suppose to be a glass cannon, but it does need some love.  It has the worse stats of any 4th rate, but it's also a very very very out dated ship, prob one of the most oldest ships in game except maybe the Wappen.   

The Wasa has almost the same HP's a the 3rd rate, it has almost the same Broad SIde as the Bolona, the only thing it doesn't have is the crew which is it's weakness if you don't know how to manage crew.  That which you should be comparing it to the a 3rd rate not the lowest 4th rate.   

Oh don't get me wrong i think the Ingermanland, Aggy and Connie need there old stats back, but a few of you prob wasn't around when those ships where OP too compared to any of the older ships in game when they came out.  Instead of nerfing every thing to death they should bring back some of there stats.  Back than when the Aggy came out I bet it old stats are very much like the current wasa as it had higher HP and armor than the thirds or close to it.  SO they nerffed it to death.   I'm not saying it's not unbalanced.  It is and needs to be put in the place where it deserves right next to the third rates.

As for why I think that would work is cause you raise the BR it will effect how many you can bring into PB.  Why should it matter on the OW, BR doesn't matter so you can bring any ship you want to fight it.  Also 3rd rate will make it follow the Ship Knowledge rules of the third rates and not 5-4th rates which means some stats would take a hit and can't be maxed out as high.  It's part of a balance of the ship without totally neutering it.

[vazco]

9 hours ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

I beaten my fair share of Wasa's in my Aggy's so it's not that OP.  Than again it wasn't a Fir Fir Aggy either.   It has many weakness actually if you just know them.

Sure, Wasa has a weakness. It's worst weakness is that it is vulnerable to other Wasa's. Other than that, it can kill everything it can't escape from. If you compare Wasa to 3rd rates (as well as 2nd and 1st), they don't stand a chance in terms of speed.

[Slim McSauce]

1 hour ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

Now do that next to a Bellona and 3rd rate and you will see way I say move it to a 3rd rate and BR change.   Ingermanland is suppose to be a glass cannon, but it does need some love.  It has the worse stats of any 4th rate, but it's also a very very very out dated ship, prob one of the most oldest ships in game except maybe the Wappen.   

The Wasa has almost the same HP's a the 3rd rate, it has almost the same Broad SIde as the Bolona, the only thing it doesn't have is the crew which is it's weakness if you don't know how to manage crew.  That which you should be comparing it to the a 3rd rate not the lowest 4th rate.   

Oh don't get me wrong i think the Ingermanland, Aggy and Connie need there old stats back, but a few of you prob wasn't around when those ships where OP too compared to any of the older ships in game when they came out.  Instead of nerfing every thing to death they should bring back some of there stats.  Back than when the Aggy came out I bet it old stats are very much like the current wasa as it had higher HP and armor than the thirds or close to it.  SO they nerffed it to death.   I'm not saying it's not unbalanced.  It is and needs to be put in the place where it deserves right next to the third rates.

As for why I think that would work is cause you raise the BR it will effect how many you can bring into PB.  Why should it matter on the OW, BR doesn't matter so you can bring any ship you want to fight it.  Also 3rd rate will make it follow the Ship Knowledge rules of the third rates and not 5-4th rates which means some stats would take a hit and can't be maxed out as high.  It's part of a balance of the ship without totally neutering it.

So instead of fixing the broken ship we change all the 4th rates to make them as good as the Wasa? That'll just make frigates and corvettes even more useless than with just the wasa being OP.

We have fairly decent balance as it is without the Wasa, the Occam's razor solution is to balance it so it fits in nicely with the other 4th rates, not rebalance all the ships around it.

[Sir Texas Sir]

1 hour ago, Slim Jimmerson said:

So instead of fixing the broken ship we change all the 4th rates to make them as good as the Wasa? That'll just make frigates and corvettes even more useless than with just the wasa being OP.

We have fairly decent balance as it is without the Wasa, the Occam's razor solution is to balance it so it fits in nicely with the other 4th rates, not rebalance all the ships around it.

It's not a broken ship, it's just not balanced into the right tier of play.   When you bring out new ships you shouldn't keep nerfing them towards old ships.  Other games don't do this.  What they do is they bring it out, tweek it and than balance most the other ships up to new tech levels.  A lot of the old 4th rates are way out dated for a buff/rework of stats cause they where brought into the game when there was pretty much no other ships there tiers. At those times the Connie was very OP.  The Aggy was very OP.   The Wappen was very OP.  There needs to be an all around rework of the old ships to bring them up to date from where they where balanced at a time that didn't have other ships in there own tier or very little.

Again the BR should be a ship of it's class, instead of removing guns and what most folks want, you need to bump the BR up and put it with other ships with the same Broad Side and armor and that would put it just below 3rd rates (300 BR) since it has less crews.  very little tweeking needed.  The fact you will than be using 3rd rate and above ship knowledge with less % on them will help balance it out more.  The speed and accelerations prob need to be tweeked a bit along with it's profile, but it's a minor change to fix the problem.

 

I'm going to take a bet you weren't around when half those ships came out and was nerfed to death for balance, they need there old stats back and they would be more on par with the ship.

[Sir Texas Sir]

3 hours ago, vazco said:

Sure, Wasa has a weakness. It's worst weakness is that it is vulnerable to other Wasa's. Other than that, it can kill everything it can't escape from. If you compare Wasa to 3rd rates (as well as 2nd and 1st), they don't stand a chance in terms of speed.

Speed isn't the only state, 2/1st rates should still destroy a wasa broad side to broad side so not sure what your point is here.  And if your sailing a 1/2 rate alone well that just explains why your getting owned by any 4th rates or below.

 

[vazco]

2 hours ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

Speed isn't the only state, 2/1st rates should still destroy a wasa broad side to broad side so not sure what your point is here.  And if your sailing a 1/2 rate alone well that just explains why your getting owned by any 4th rates or below.

 

As you wrote yourself, for Wasa to be a 3rd rate, it's speed and manuverability would have to be nerfed. That's what I ment writing that it's not balanced even compared to stronger ships, which it can kill.

1-2nd rates can't do much against Wasa as well in a PvP fight, due to their limited speed and manuverability. Eg. a Buc and 2 friagtes against a Wasa and 2 frigates in most cases is an even fight.

 

Btw, I don't see a point in changing stats of all the old ships that are already balanced against each other well. Why adapt 20 ships to Wasa, when you can adapt Wasa to the rest? I've killed and was killed in duels with almost all configurations: Aga, Consti, Inger, Wappen. I never lost in a Wasa against another 4'th, or won in another 4'th against a Wasa.

Edited December 28, 2017 by vazco

[Slim McSauce]

Holy shit PVP is nearly unplayable. Wasas everywhere that renos can't even catch.

@admin fix your game, this is cancer.

Edited December 28, 2017 by Slim Jimmerson

[Hawkwood]

1 hour ago, Slim Jimmerson said:

Holy shit PVP is nearly unplayable. Wasas everywhere that renos can't even catch.

@admin fix your game, this is cancer.

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