Concerning hacks/ cheaters with vid

[Yngvarr]

So, @Hethwill

We have a clanmate of mine, in the video sailing an empty FIR/FIR LGV, with Gazelle bow figure, Bovenwinds refit and Cotton Sails upgrades, no cargo, no cannons.

He's found an angle on the wind where he's faster than the constitution.

and suddenly...his sails go to Half Sails.

 

https://youtu.be/k9i-Wks8c2c?t=6653

Look at 01:50:55, the LGV's sails are going up, while trying to get away from the constitution.

Now, explain to me, how does this happen if the player is not touching his keyboard...

 

[DutchWhispers]

Dear Hethwill,

This is one example of the many cases we have had the last couple weeks. Over 15+ ppl experience this. WE always sended a report with f11

In this case i was going for the tower i finnaly found the angle to escape i dint touch anything and my ship lowerd his sails and braced.

 

Best regards,

DutchWhispers

 

[Batman]

I see a LGV with 83% Sails, putting up sails. Am I missing something?

[admin]

1 hour ago, Yngvarr said:

So, @Hethwill

We have a clanmate of mine, in the video sailing an empty FIR/FIR LGV, with Gazelle bow figure, Bovenwinds refit and Cotton Sails upgrades, no cargo, no cannons.

He's found an angle on the wind where he's faster than the constitution.

and suddenly...his sails go to Half Sails.

 

https://youtu.be/k9i-Wks8c2c?t=6653

Look at 01:50:55, the LGV's sails are going up, while trying to get away from the constitution.

Now, explain to me, how does this happen if the player is not touching his keyboard...

 

 You provide his stream video which just shows normal play and does not give any factual proof of your statement. Captain who you accused, explains what he is doing in voice and explains what the LGV captain is doing wrong.  For example your captain obviously pressed battle sails (by clicking B) and the streamer thought he is surrendering (because he was lowering sails). 

Remember that multiple accusations without evidence can cause complete chat ban of the accuser because such accusations can ruin the reputation of a good player. 

[admin]

1 hour ago, DutchWhispers said:

Dear Hethwill,

This is one example of the many cases we have had the last couple weeks. Over 15+ ppl experience this. WE always sended a report with f11

In this case i was going for the tower i finnaly found the angle to escape i dint touch anything and my ship lowerd his sails and braced.

 

Best regards,

DutchWhispers

 

We would like to remind that the most common cause of what you experience is related to you pressing the button. On the video you pressed B (BATTLE SAILS)

You probable did not know that you can accidentally remove focus from chat when chatting in game or outside channels. 

For example a player can remove the mouse from chat window and after some can try to type a bad word, for example bitch. He thinks he is typing but chat focus hs been lost and the mouse is not in chat. As a result player will press battle sails AND brace and Depower (because you accidentally actually press buttons by typing  BiTcH (B -battle sails, T- Depower, H - BrACE).

So you think that you are typing in chat (or in chats) but in fact you are not typing but pressing command buttons. Thats the most common and actually is the only reason for uncontrollable sails going down.  

It is impossible to control another player's ship. If it was possible it would be rampant and widely available for download

[Landsman]

8 minutes ago, admin said:

complete ban of the accuser

I appreciate your dedication and how you personally look into all these reports and I understand it is alot of extra work but complete ban is a bit harsh, don't you think? There are bad players accusing others of hacks in every game and very very rarely they are right but can't prove it... I think 3 months ban for false accusation would be hard enough... you can also hand those bans out more often and thus prevent false accusations...

 

Also I would say it boosts the reputation of the accused, because it makes him seem to good that people think hes hacking. 

Edited December 24, 2017 by Landsman

[admin]

3 minutes ago, Landsman said:

I appreciate your dedication and how you personally look into all these reports and I understand it is alot of extra work but complete ban is a bit harsh, don't you think? There are bad players accusing others of hacks in every game and very very rarely they are right but can't prove it... I think 3 months ban for false accusation would be hard enough... you can also hand those bans out more often and thus prevent false accusations...

If a player decides to accuse people right and left without proof and evidence. He deserves it.  We don't care what happens in other games and how other games treat hack conversations. (most don't allow them on forums unlike us). We want to keep the game clean and if hacks are found we will fix them. We want to protect player reps because you can be accused too. If you had a great battle for example 

[Landsman]

Just now, admin said:

If a player decides to accuse people right and left without proof and evidence.

Yeah, misunderstanding then... I thought you meant one time fals accusation = ban.... If someone does it all the time without evidence he's good to be banned...

[admin]

Just now, Landsman said:

Yeah, misunderstanding then... I thought you meant one time fals accusation = ban.... If someone does it all the time without evidence he's good to be banned...

yes. our post was just a reminder. @Yngvarr posted this as a question and provided potential proof. He is fine. 

[Landsman]

Just now, admin said:

 

Ok, cool. Merry Christmas and happy holidays to you, your team and family by the way. 

[RedNeckMilkMan]

1 hour ago, Batman said:

I see a LGV with 83% Sails, putting up sails. Am I missing something?

I was confused at first but I think he was saying the Connie captain made the LGV reduce sails... When in reality he just fat fingered B.

[Tac]

36 minutes ago, admin said:

If a player decides to accuse people right and left without proof and evidence. He deserves it.  We don't care what happens in other games and how other games treat hack conversations. (most don't allow them on forums unlike us). We want to keep the game clean and if hacks are found we will fix them. We want to protect player reps because you can be accused too. If you had a great battle for example 

Agreed,because otherwise you have to endure epic stupidity like this.

[Yngvarr]

5 hours ago, admin said:

For example your captain obviously pressed battle sails

show me proof that he pushed B on his keyboard.

he expressly mentions that he did not touch his keyboard when his sails were going into battle sails.

 

If this video is no proof of a player cheating because nothing happens visibly, it can't be used to say another player fatfingered the B button on his keyboard, unless you can provide logfiles of key entries in that battle.

 

 

6 hours ago, Batman said:

I see a LGV with 83% Sails, putting up sails. Am I missing something?

the LGV was at full sails, and then for no reason the ship went to Battle Sails (without pushing any keys on the keyboard)

 

 

5 hours ago, admin said:

explains what he is doing in voice and explains what the LGV captain is doing wrong

well, i don't speak Russian, so unless a translator translates what he said, i can't trust any claims made to that point.

[DutchWhispers]

Why should i want to surrender? i was sailing away i was gaining distance. hands of keyboard. Like i said this happen to +15 members of the dutch nation over and over again even inside portbattles.

Not taking this serious is a real problem. the devolpers of this game are lacking on bringing out gameplay and or listening to there community right now there are problems with hacking/ controling enemys there ships. And instandly closed forumposts and trying to turn this arround by waving to me with the banhammer is just like you are hiding things from the community again. Ban me just straight away so i can bring this case out to steam. We a small team in this nation are gathering more proof evry day when we are on this forum and in the game it would only make our points and things we think stronger.

 

Now my question is why if i claim that my sails went down and i got braced u say i went into battle sails? How can u proof that? u cant like its hard for use to proof that this is going on the last few weeks. So TAKE THIS SERIOUS AND TAKE SOME REAL ACTIONS DO RESEARCH AND LOOK TO ALL THE F11 REPORTS. instest of 1 minute read and instant claim this. Im not gonna post this for fun here actually i hate forums so it took me a long while to type something on this forum. And int dint happen once to me it happens evry week together with many other players in this game.

[Liq]

2 minutes ago, Yngvarr said:

the LGV was at full sails, and then for no reason the ship went to Battle Sails (without pushing any keys on the keyboard)

 

I had something similar happen a while ago, wouldnt get out of manual skipper control, see the vid below

Game sometimes is glitchy / buggy, that's what f11 is for.

Players need to chill out before accusing someone of 100% cheating, there is no evidence whatsoever it was the accused captains doings

(also tac, that screenshot is great lol)

 

[maturin]

1 minute ago, Yngvarr said:

show me proof that he pushed B on his keyboard.

he expressly mentions that he did not touch his keyboard when his sails were going into battle sails.

 

If this video is no proof of a player cheating because nothing happens visibly, it can't be used to say another player fatfingered the B button on his keyboard, unless you can provide logfiles of key entries in that battle.

 

That's how 'innocent until proven guilty' works, mate.
 

And then of course there's the common sense angle. It's more likely that the 'victim' had a spontaneous short circuit in his keyboard than that someone was livestreaming their use of the World's Lamest Hack (tm).

Do you seriously believe that someone went through all the hard work necessary to hack a different player's ship (many times more difficult than just giving yourself extra HP or speed), in order to create such a worthless, easily countered sail gimmick? What's next, a dastardly hack that changes a player's rolling broadside to random?

Also, what about your sig where snitches get stitches?

[admin]

5 minutes ago, Yngvarr said:

the LGV was at full sails, and then for no reason the ship went to Battle Sails (without pushing any keys on the keyboard)

 

Well how can you prove he did not press any keys. Did he chat? In game or outside of the game?
I will just give you an example: Most common report we get is "I cant do anything - BUG!" caused by people pressing H accidentally. 

[admin]

13 minutes ago, Yngvarr said:

show me proof that he pushed B on his keyboard

Show me the proof that he did not. I see that he lowered sails, He pressed the button - no-one can press that button for him.  We even provided you with the example on how it could happen. (you can press it thinking that you are chatting).

We see no evidence both on video and in logs.  Also How can you prove that it is not a deliberate campaign against that streamer? We see no cheating on video and hacking servers is impossible. Why should we trust words and not the video.

[DutchWhispers]

Its not only against this person, like we said there are multiple ppl using it. Also a member of  ALT clan swedish is using it multiple times against players.

ITS NOT A RAID VS 1 PERSON its a problem affecting a lot of ppl and F11 seems not to work last 3 weeks so thats why we tryed to post something. IF you are a read devolper team it cannot be hard to just look into this and take it serious.  Its a real problem and if u just wave it away like this then this game is a joke

[admin]

2 minutes ago, DutchWhispers said:

Its not only against this person, like we said there are multiple ppl using it. Also a member of  ALT clan swedish is using it multiple times against players.

ITS NOT A RAID VS 1 PERSON its a problem affecting a lot of ppl and F11 seems not to work last 3 weeks so thats why we tryed to post something. IF you are a read devolper team it cannot be hard to just look into this and take it serious.  Its a real problem and if u just wave it away like this then this game is a joke

if everyone was using it then it would be public knowledge. F11 seems to work fine. We take all this seriously but in your case you pressed B and T by mistake most likely. 

 

Also - when building this game we took every precaution to make sure hacking is impossible. So please .. stop comparing us to client based games. We are fully server based and combat cant be hacked. Even Waves - water is on the server (thats why servers are so expensive)
 

[DutchWhispers]

Most likely...... most likely u have to wake up or ur game is dead in 6 months like its already lose player base so quickly by all ur mistakes and this is one more.

u say time afther time afther time when we know we are upagainst these ppl we just pres buttons random.....

we are paying attention to this in battle by pressing no keys to see what happens and like i said it happens over and over again.

if its server side it doenst mather ppl dont have acces or a way to do it evry one knows this 

[Powderhorn]

Please refrain from doom and gloom.  Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

[Liq]

how about next time  you fight "those cheaters" you record? OBS is free.

[Yngvarr]

you're supplying arguments that support you narrative.

You  say that you don't see anything in the logs.

But until i see those logs myself, i'm not inclined to believe it.

Yet, the B and H buttons are too far away from the WASD keys that we use to be pressed accidentally by experienced players

[admin]

1 minute ago, Yngvarr said:

you're supplying arguments that support you narrative.

You  say that you don't see anything in the logs.

But until i see those logs myself, i'm not inclined to believe it.

Yet, the B and H buttons are too far away from the WASD keys that we use to be pressed accidentally by experienced players

Did you read what i said?
B can be pressed when you type "Baby" in chat, if you accidentally lost chat focus (moved mouse away. You don't have to be even pressing Wasd to press B.