The upcoming server merge proved one thing

[Kawazz]

A majority of North American Players won't tolerate a broken game and EU players will.

Many USA players expect more in general so this is not shocking but to merge the servers before the game itself is complete without giving that sever a true chance to grow is a travesty. 

People blame steam reviews but when you show people the game as it stands many walk away looking for something more complete and lets not forget the wipe and how many ex-players think this game is insanely hard because of that "genius" build the devs released last *winter.

Edited December 11, 2017 by koiz

[Grundgemunkey]

2 hours ago, koiz said:

A majority of North American Players won't tolerate a broken game and EU players will.

Many USA players expect more in general so this is not shocking but to merge the servers before the game itself is complete without giving that sever a true chance to grow is a travesty. 

People blame steam reviews but when you show people the game as it stands many walk away looking for something more complete and lets not forget the wipe and how many ex-players think this game is insanely hard because of that "genius" build the devs released last *winter.

why did you buy the game if you wanted the finished article .first line in game description in steam says in big letters  EARLY ACCESS the game is not complete

[HachiRoku]

3 hours ago, koiz said:

A majority of North American Players won't tolerate a broken game and EU players will.

Many USA players expect more in general so this is not shocking but to merge the servers before the game itself is complete without giving that sever a true chance to grow is a travesty. 

People blame steam reviews but when you show people the game as it stands many walk away looking for something more complete and lets not forget the wipe and how many ex-players think this game is insanely hard because of that "genius" build the devs released last *winter.

funny you say that because US law isn't nearly as good as EU law when it comes to digital gaming. 

[jodgi]

3 hours ago, koiz said:

Many USA players expect more in general

I wonder what you base this interesting statement on?

[_Masterviolin]

I think you, like a lot of people, really overgeneralize things. In the end, the only people who actually think the game is "broken" are those who:

-See players talking about "broken systems" and such on the forums and in trash steam reviews and assume the game is broken.

-Expect that due to the forum's highly public nature, that their suggestions will be adhered to, and when they are not, assume the game is doomed to never make progress.

-Spend far too much time arguing on the forums and become fixated upon problems where they exist. 

Enough is enough. I don't think many people realize that one of the most decisive factors in this game's lack of players is that the most vocal part of the community is made up by those who are utterly convinced that the game is "unplayable" or "broken or spend far too much time throwing salt at the devs because they disagree with changes. 

[Kawazz]

1 hour ago, Grundgemunkey said:

why did you buy the game if you wanted the finished article .first line in game description in steam says in big letters  EARLY ACCESS the game is not complete

Your comments are misdirected, I've have played it through its ups and downs and still do but its clear the EU player base had less issues dealing with those ups and downs. The EU server still has players and the North American player base, Global/PVP2 was un-willing to tolerate the rough state of the game. EU has suffered but not as bad as PVP2/Global.  That is undeniable at this point.

 

 

[Kawazz]

20 minutes ago, HachiRoku said:

funny you say that because US law isn't nearly as good as EU law when it comes to digital gaming. 

This has nothing to do with law, its based on what has happened on both servers. Most players abandoned this game and more on the north american side. Its just a fact. 

[Kawazz]

12 minutes ago, _Masterviolin said:

I think you, like a lot of people, really overgeneralize things. In the end, the only people who actually think the game is "broken" are those who:

-See players talking about "broken systems" and such on the forums and in trash steam reviews and assume the game is broken.

-Expect that due to the forum's highly public nature, that their suggestions will be adhered to, and when they are not, assume the game is doomed to never make progress.

-Spend far too much time arguing on the forums and become fixated upon problems where they exist. 

Enough is enough. I don't think many people realize that one of the most decisive factors in this game's lack of players is that the most vocal part of the community is made up by those who are utterly convinced that the game is "unplayable" or "broken or spend far too much time throwing salt at the devs because they disagree with changes. 

Did you read what I wrote? My main point still stands and you know the numbers back that up. I never said anything was broken, I simply pointed out I think its bad that this is happening. It puts the game into a corner and honestly feels like a last resort to make whats left of the player base happy. When games trend in this direction they rarely trend upwards again. 

The past perception of this game is hard to shed, many don't like to see how the sausage is made and its had a lasting impact on many that walked away.

Edited December 12, 2017 by koiz

[monk33y]

You got your own server! Then your "mighty" players left. So technically it's the short sighted and "stupid" American players (not all of you, just this turnip) who ruined naval action of the oceanic and American players of naval action!!!

Not the eu players, we have a steady server population.....! 

[Kawazz]

17 minutes ago, monk33y said:

You got your own server! Then your "mighty" players left. So technically it's the short sighted and "stupid" American players (not all of you, just this turnip) who ruined naval action of the oceanic and American players of naval action!!!

Not the eu players, we have a steady server population.....! 

Where did it say I left? I played through the changes and dealt with them unlike other players... To call me a turnip simply because I played on another server is childish of you.

Eu had a larger population before now? What happened to those players? My point was the North American player base including CANADA lost more players during the development and EU didn't lose as much. You can insult "stupid American players" all you want but you put no blame on the devs making drastic changes that drove the player base down?

Edited December 12, 2017 by koiz

[monk33y]

Just now, koiz said:

Where did it say I left? I played through the changes and dealt with them unlike other players... To call me a turnip simply because I played on another server is childish of you.

Eu had a larger population before now? What happened to those players? My point was the North American player base including CANADA lost more players during the development and EU didn't lose as much. You can insult "stupid American players" all you want but you put no blame on the devs making drastic changes that drove the player base down?

 

 

can you read??????

where did I say " you quit the game"??? 

a famous Eu person once said "it's like the locals (Americans) have started mating with vegetables"

You should count yourself lucky the Devs are willing to move your assets to the eu server...  The eu server doesn't need you! We are stable already...we welcome the influx of new travellers...

[Christendom]

I think its more of a fact that US/NA players just had a lack of things to do.  For over a year global/pvp2 has been the redheaded stepchild of naval action and while it's had ebbs and flows of population it has predominantly been very low pop and very boring.  Limited amount of players = limited amount of content.  US players moved on to games that were more amenable to their time zones and never came back.  For the past several months US players we unable to do RVR content on the EU server (with all the people) and prior to the wipe and split both servers had the restriction of no PBs after 9pm EST time.  This pretty much killed the US player population and it really hasn't recovered since.  Hopefully with the merge more players will be enticed back with the promise of a fuller server.  

As player who spends time on both servers I've found the US players to be extremely stubborn and unwilling to accept change.  Most refuse to change nations or refuse to change who their allies are....even at the detriment to the server.  Right now there are 3 (5 if you count spain and dutch) nations vs the pirates on global.  Basically 75% of the population vs 25%....limiting their content immensely.  All because the pirates happen to be the team to beat.  It's absurd.  Global was a much more vibrant place before the super zerg.  

[Kawazz]

1 hour ago, monk33y said:

can you read??????

where did I say " you quit the game"??? 

a famous Eu person once said "it's like the locals (Americans) have started mating with vegetables"

You should count yourself lucky the Devs are willing to move your assets to the eu server...  The eu server doesn't need you! We are stable already...we welcome the influx of new travellers...

Since you are clearly using google translate maybe you are confusing what I'm saying and you think its an insult... I'll dismiss your further comments as they seem to be completely bias and all you want to do is attack NA players.

 

 

[Kawazz]

1 hour ago, Christendom said:

I think its more of a fact that US/NA players just had a lack of things to do.  For over a year global/pvp2 has been the redheaded stepchild of naval action and while it's had ebbs and flows of population it has predominantly been very low pop and very boring.  Limited amount of players = limited amount of content.  US players moved on to games that were more amenable to their time zones and never came back.  For the past several months US players we unable to do RVR content on the EU server (with all the people) and prior to the wipe and split both servers had the restriction of no PBs after 9pm EST time.  This pretty much killed the US player population and it really hasn't recovered since.  Hopefully with the merge more players will be enticed back with the promise of a fuller server.  

As player who spends time on both servers I've found the US players to be extremely stubborn and unwilling to accept change.  Most refuse to change nations or refuse to change who their allies are....even at the detriment to the server.  Right now there are 3 (5 if you count spain and dutch) nations vs the pirates on global.  Basically 75% of the population vs 25%....limiting their content immensely.  All because the pirates happen to be the team to beat.  It's absurd.  Global was a much more vibrant place before the super zerg.  

This.

[Slim McSauce]

There we're only ever 3-4 nations on global, US, PR, GB and maybe France. The only reason people attack pirates is because they're stationed in the middle of the map and they have a freeport on hand. US has no freeport and a massive safezone so they're immune to attack. GB is pretty much the same thing.

[Hodo]

12 hours ago, monk33y said:

 

Not the eu players, we have a steady server population.....! 

Steady how?

Like losing over 70% of your population in a month? 

That is about as steady as another EU investment... Bitcoin.

[HachiRoku]

13 hours ago, koiz said:

This has nothing to do with law, its based on what has happened on both servers. Most players abandoned this game and more on the north american side. Its just a fact. 

Give me evidence. Your statement doesn't mean anything to me 

[Sir Texas Sir]

18 hours ago, HachiRoku said:

Give me evidence. Your statement doesn't mean anything to me 

Admin stated 50% of the sales are US/North American.  That would mean half the players should be from that region.  So where have they all gone?

[Yngvarr]

21 hours ago, HachiRoku said:

Give me evidence. Your statement doesn't mean anything to me 

Here's that proof you asked for.

Disclaimers

Please note that Steam Spy extrapolates data from limited number of user profiles and thus isn't 100% correct.

Steam Spy pulls data every minute, but updates visializations only once a day at night (GMT+2), so there is no point in refreshing it more often. The data is based on several days samples: from three days for individual apps to seven days for location-based info. It means that Steam Spy is competely unreliable for recently released games.

This service relies on data provided by Valve and, well, sometimes Valve Web API servers do not work as intended. So you might see missing or wrong information here and there.

Edited December 13, 2017 by Yngvarr

[Hethwill, the Red Duke]

Post not the 2 last weeks, but the whole time versus the right now. Please.

No idea how you work in your gaming circles but I find it fairly easy to promote NA. Is it that hard for States and Canadians to keep the experience going ? If that data is even to be considered, what marks the difference between the majority of the EU states and the North American continent ? Gaming culture maybe ?

Something does not correlate...

 

[HachiRoku]

1 hour ago, Yngvarr said:

Here's that proof you asked for.

Those stats are not accurate. How can there be more players than owners in a lot of countries?.

[Yngvarr]

4 minutes ago, HachiRoku said:

Those stats are not accurate. How can there be more players than owners in a lot of countries?.

I've wondered about that myself, however the other graphs that are shown on this website are accurate.

Perhaps we're just not reading this graph correctly.

You can check it yourself:

https://steamdb.info/app/311310/graphs/

http://steamspy.com/app/311310

 

[Hethwill, the Red Duke]

 

Nope, not going to.

[HachiRoku]

1 minute ago, Yngvarr said:

I've wondered about that myself, however the other graphs that are shown on this website are accurate.

Perhaps we're just not reading this graph correctly.

You can check it yourself:

https://steamdb.info/app/311310/graphs/

http://steamspy.com/app/311310

 

Thats beside the point anyway. Koiz was saying us based players expect more in general. I asked for evidence because him claiming something is a fact isn't evidence to me. I would argue that more us players buy products without knowing a lot about them. That's why they would quit more than others. Since we don't have official stats from Steam or game labs it's all just speculation and useless information to me. 

[HachiRoku]

11 minutes ago, Yngvarr said:

I've wondered about that myself, however the other graphs that are shown on this website are accurate.

Perhaps we're just not reading this graph correctly.

You can check it yourself:

https://steamdb.info/app/311310/graphs/

http://steamspy.com/app/311310

 

Keep in mind those are not official valve sites. I wouldn't rely on them to much.