Swedish Nation

[sveno]

Well, just to clear up the discussion here:

Back then when we had the Eastern Alliance vs the Western Alliance, most of the US timezone players were in the Western Alliance.
When the nightflipping started to hurt the gameplay, i personally tried to see if there could be an other solution against night Flips then a server split.
Tried to make the US based players understand that if they would be eually in both alliances we would not have to server split.

I tried and failed, now we got two servers.

I just added this for clearity, please do not re-discuss this split Thing again - i also think that this is not a good example when it comes to the current situation @Christendom.

[Corona Lisa]

10 hours ago, AxIslander said:

Sweden understands that is OP,  that nobody wants to play with them anymore. Yet, insted of doing the right thing, disband this OP group and join other weaker nations.

Most of us play together for more than a year, starting with much more losses than wins. We play different games together, 2 months ago we had a real life meeting.

Should we throw this overboard because the rest of the server sucks (except RUS, BF, pirates)?

2 hours ago, PIerrick de Badas said:

mostly because numbers

1,5k BR more still no chance to win

Edited December 9, 2017 by Jon Snow lets go

[Rigge1988]

Funny part is that there's basically no toxicity within Sweden. We're kinda living a peaceful life. So peaceful that we wish there was more content, stuff to do, in the game. But we can't rush anything you know... This is what we get for mentioning it. "The fall of the swedish empire" etc.

[Christendom]

16 minutes ago, Quineloe said:

It's so incredibly confusing to read your posts because you're making no sense. You were US diplo, but you were asked to leave GB... ? what?

It's also a huge difference to be asked once, and this whinging by the non-gamer Kierrip and others for *months* now.

 

The really amusing part here is your hypocrisy, instead of agreeing with sweden because of your bad experience of being asked this in the past, you suddely switch sides. I guess because it benefits you now...

You have a reading comprehension issue I think. 

The only hypocrites here are the Swedes who wanted other nations to help balance the server, but yet won't do the same in return when they are asked.  and for the record, I'm not asking them.  The irony however was too much for me to not comment.  Frankly no one should have to change nations OR sides to balance the game.  Our job as the players is to simply play the game how we want.  

14 minutes ago, Quineloe said:

Oh, so that's Christendom's fault? wow.

I'm told everything that has ever gone wrong in this game can either be traced back to @Lord Vicious or myself.

Edited December 9, 2017 by Christendom

[Quineloe]

From what I understand, the two things are not comparable. And yeah, Vicious isn't responsible for there being two PVP servers, that's on you apparently. That's far worse than all the other things combined.

[Christendom]

1 minute ago, Quineloe said:

From what I understand, the two things are not comparable. And yeah, Vicious isn't responsible for there being two PVP servers, that's on you apparently. That's far worse than all the other things combined.

There's always been 2 servers dope.  The Americans however are responsible for many sleepless nights and EU's port timers.

[Quineloe]

Yeah, a PVP and a PVE server. "PVP Global" and the separation of the pvp player base is entirely your fault =)

[North]

13 minutes ago, Jon Snow lets go said:

Most of us play together for more than a year, starting with much more losses than wins. We play different games together, 2 months ago we had a real life meeting.

Should we throw this overboard because the rest of the server sucks (except RUS, BF, pirates)?

1,5k BR more still no chance to win

hmmmmm:'( we suck:( though maybe reds would get on list:p

[sveno]

Now, if HRE would join the Preussians lets say, that is about 70%-80% of the Swedish RvR fleet currently; wouldn't then the issue be the same, just with a new name?
Preurg instead of Swerg? And we would leave our beloved Sweden to die? Nope, not an option.
Now, should we disband HRE because some are butthurt? Go screw yourselfes!

The issue with dominating forces in NA is nothing new - the Pirates, GB and Danes have been dominating before, so why is it an issue now, when Sweden dominates?
We cannot expect that players balance, there is only one thing, and one thing only that should balance in NA: the game mechanics.

Right now it hurts because:
- there is no alliance system.
- there is the game mechanic to give mapwinners even more.
- loosing stuff hurts very much, it is to easy to put a clan/nation to their knees and they need too long to get up again.
- changing to winning side is motivated by the game construct (there should be harsh downsides switching to winning team).
- it is to hard to get proper PvP/RvR experience, due to missing utilities like ingame help, duel room, steep as hell learning curve.

NA needs to get away from the maxime "the winner takes it all". That starts with PvP and goes up to the strategic level.
It should be much harder to retain strength. If you are on the top, i would like to have growing handicaps (monté impossible).
Also please have again an alliance system, because right now, working togheter on the international level is way to hard.

Many thanks for reading and understanding that its less an issue of people then game mechanics.

PS: @admin, could you maybe throw in a table of active players grouped by nation (% only is ok), that would help for some to understand the real issue, thanks!  

Edited December 9, 2017 by sveno

[Christendom]

9 minutes ago, Quineloe said:

Yeah, a PVP and a PVE server. "PVP Global" and the separation of the pvp player base is entirely your fault =)

oh boy.....  you must be new here.

Prior to PVP EU and PVP Global there was PVP 1 and PVP 2.  The names were just switched and timers added to EU.  Way way way back when there was a PVP 3 also.  If playing the game in my timezone is called splitting up the player base, then sure, myself and all us dreadful americans are to blame  I still remain able to play with other folks in different time zones.  Others can't stomach it.  

I would suggest you become more informed before you post in the future.   

We're done here.  Enjoy being bored guys :-)

 

Edited December 9, 2017 by Christendom

[Quineloe]

Yeah July 2016 guy tells me I'm the new guy...

[Rigge1988]

Timezones will always be an issue unless you want like 1 hour windows. Your prime time is our bed time, vice versa. NA is not the only game that suffers from this "issue".

Why does this thread even exist?

Where's the mods?

[sveno]

Well, i think this thread makes sence and thank you OP to start it, even if the text itself was a bit uestionable.

It shows an issue when it comes to domination in RvR.

I think we need to discuss that and find possible solutions, help the devs to make the game better.

 

The posts about the serversplit, well those serve no porpouse at all, please delete them thanks.

[Rigge1988]

It's a good discussion born in the wrong thread. And some are just trying to find excuses to attack individuals or entire nations, call it communities within the community. That's the way I see it.

This probably belong in suggestions.

[PIerrick de Badas]

Make a map win:

When a nation reach a certain level, the map is consider as win for the nation that reach the points needed.

Then the map is wipe (in term of outpost) and people start from their capital again and have topush againt their empire.
Give a free cookie to the strongest nation and a biggercookie for the worst nation as start to make people swicht to it (a good skill or something like that)

Put away forged papers or used the solution i gave forcing people to play pirates when they want to switch nation

[Quineloe]

POBS had that and you quit the moment you weren't winning anymore. Just like now. How would that be different for you Pierrick?

[Stepp636]

2 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

We had the same issue long ago with another nation in the server.

They could expand everywhere due to a combination of player numbers and some hardcore rvr clans.  As soon as the Alliance system was introduced we saw a much more balanced server.

Would alliances help? I remember when 80+ captains tried to raise hostility on Swedish ports and failed.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Christendom said:

You have a reading comprehension issue I think. 

The only hypocrites here are the Swedes who wanted other nations to help balance the server, but yet won't do the same in return when they are asked.  and for the record, I'm not asking them.  The irony however was too much for me to not comment.  Frankly no one should have to change nations OR sides to balance the game.  Our job as the players is to simply play the game how we want.  

At least most people would comprehend the difference between a server balance based on population and/or skilled fleets, and one based on timezone monopolies and empty battles.

The former is far healthier and has far more ways to be coped with. When the Brits dominated the server by playercount and capable fleets, there weren't demands for them to split up. When the Pirates dominated the server by playercount and capable fleets, there weren't demands for them to split up.

And by the sound of things, most of what the Swedes are putting on the table is more to do with competence than sheer numbers, whereas the other nations have declined in that regard.

 

[Iroquois Confederacy]

I maintain that the issue of a server split, with enforced protected zones for Europeans, came down simply to the fact that the Europeans wanted to win.

Well, it seems they have done so, and in doing, reminded me of a poem.

Quote

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shatter'd visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamp'd on these lifeless things,
The hand that mock'd them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains: round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

 

[Christendom]

28 minutes ago, Iroquois Confederacy said:

I maintain that the issue of a server split, with enforced protected zones for Europeans, came down simply to the fact that the Europeans wanted to win.

Well, it seems they have done so, and in doing, reminded me of a poem.

 

perfect quote

[Kloothommel]

With alliances in most will ally with swerg. No dice.

[Guest]

[Hawkwood]

4 hours ago, Cornelis Tromp said:

With alliances in most will ally with swerg. No dice.

Why should they? Was everyone allied with GB when they had all advantages?

[staun]

11 hours ago, Christendom said:

and Caesar wept, for there were no more worlds left to conquer....

I’m not sure alliances are the way to go.  Especially with BR pbs

Seems like the Swedes (and everyone else) had more competition back before 3 more nations were introduced.  An already small talent pool was even more diluted with 3 additional nations to fill.  Sweden being at the top of the food chain of course suffered the least.

Less nations and less servers please!

First of all, as I remember my history Caesar wept because He had’nt achieved the same as Alexandre the great. But maby a histoty teacher can clear it up. Like to get at bit cleaver evry day.

I dont think lesser Nations will make a different. Russia could field more oreless the same players as  Sweeden. So why did the stop show up. My guess is because they couldn’t win. But all respect that they tryed. So they just found some one els to fight. And I think that is the right choise. Something other nations could learn from.

Personaly I dont think there is a game mecanic thats can force ppl to fight.  And I dont think ppl will fight if they dont belive they can win. 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, staun said:

First of all, as I remember my history Caesar wept because He had’nt achieved the same as Alexandre the great. But maby a histoty teacher can clear it up. Like to get at bit cleaver evry day.

I dont think lesser Nations will make a different. Russia could field more oreless the same players as  Sweeden. So why did the stop show up. My guess is because they couldn’t win. But all respect that they tryed. So they just found some one els to fight. And I think that is the right choise. Something other nations could learn from.

Personaly I dont think there is a game mecanic thats can force ppl to fight.  And I dont think ppl will fight if they dont belive they can win. 

True enough, Alexander the great wept because he had conquered to known world.

And for the topic I prefer the swedes where they are.. Before the wipe it was the russian PB fleet the rest of the server had to measure itself against, now it's the swedish fleet. I for one will not accept a challenge that is anything less than beating the best.