Dibbler (Retired) Posted December 23, 2017 Posted December 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, Serk said: You can also get first rate notes from epic events. That you need tanked up first rates to do. ... 3
PenguPirate Posted December 23, 2017 Posted December 23, 2017 34 minutes ago, PIerrick de Badas said: so in one hand you got a nation that got them freely and in the other hands the others have to farm pvp as pigs to get teh same advtange? Go hellokitty yourself with this blue cat ty. @adminI see string filter, I want to point out that Penistone and Scunthorpe are real life places.
vazco Posted December 23, 2017 Posted December 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Serk said: You can also get first rate notes from epic events. Wonderful. Epic events taking approx. 2 hours, giving you a chance for a 1st rate once every 3 times, mean that you have to farm for 18 hours per week to get to the level of VM's that the top nation will get. In this time, nations that get those VM's, will do RvR. You won't be able to organize your people, sine they will be farming for 1'st rates in various ways. Not to mention that I can do epic events. On the other hand our untrained players, when they try to do them, they loose 1-2 1st rates of their own on their tries. This game becomes completely unfriendly for new people. 4
Liq Posted December 23, 2017 Posted December 23, 2017 (edited) ok so what's up with that endymion buff? Great close hauled / beam reach, decent downwind vs a Surprise you can just literally run downwind for an hour and get in a broadside in to the surps weak rigging every now and then, when you're enough far away. Just happened to me, 1hour downwind chasing an endymion, eventually I ran out of rig repairs. Where exactly is the balance? Surprise has a great sailing profile aswell (though not as fast as an endy), but it doesnt have its OP amarment / masts. That's an hour of my life I regret wasting chasing an already superior ship Edited December 23, 2017 by Liq 6
Corona Lisa Posted December 23, 2017 Posted December 23, 2017 (edited) Limiting 1st rates is good, the way it is inplemented is just snowbally and feels unfair. Bring back PvP event on friday saturday and sunday and give the top 10 a victory mark. 10 new 1st rates per week on the server. Thats it. They are rare, valuable and reachable for everyone, independent on the nation. It also promotes OW PvP. (anti swerg mechanic: maximum BR limit per battle, maybe even different max. BR each day so we get some variety). Merry Christmas. Edited December 23, 2017 by Jon Snow lets go 3
Capn Rocko Posted December 23, 2017 Posted December 23, 2017 10 hours ago, vazco said: Btw, a sideffect of this last patch is that yesterday on OW I met two guys who were farming their alts. I didn't see it before. Introducing crude rules always causes crude responses. I guess we can expect nations to start doing this methodically. I find this cheap. Since we won't do this, I guess our nation's impossible mode just got more impossible. Take screenshots and report them on tribunal. Your post here does nothing. 1
Capn Rocko Posted December 24, 2017 Posted December 24, 2017 49 minutes ago, Liq said: ok so what's up with that endymion buff? Great close hauled / beam reach, decent downwind vs a Surprise you can just literally run downwind for an hour and get in a broadside in to the surps weak rigging every now and then, when you're enough far away. Just happened to me, 1hour downwind chasing an endymion, eventually I ran out of rig repairs. Where exactly is the balance? Surprise has a great sailing profile aswell (though not as fast as an endy), but it doesnt have its OP amarment / masts. That's an hour of my life I regret wasting chasing an already superior ship It appears the Endymion has 2 best points of sail. I'm not sure if it is something the developers intended or not. This reminds me a lot like the Pirate Refit LGV before it got nerfed. Either way, we have to live with it. Right now its a good hunter/escapist, but in a brawl, other 5th rates can out-maneuver it. I guess that the silver lining here.
vazco Posted December 24, 2017 Posted December 24, 2017 27 minutes ago, Capn Rocko said: Take screenshots and report them on tribunal. Your post here does nothing. I won't do this. Reporting those two won't fix anything, there are probably dozen others. Rules are wrong, since they force and allow for people to do this. Rules should be changed to fix this. 1
vazco Posted December 24, 2017 Posted December 24, 2017 58 minutes ago, Jon Snow lets go said: Limiting 1st rates is good, the way it is inplemented is just snowbally and feels unfair. Bring back PvP event on friday saturday and sunday and give the top 10 a victory mark. 10 new 1st rates per week on the server. Thats it. They are rare, valuable and reachable for everyone, independent on the nation. It also promotes OW PvP. (anti swerg mechanic: maximum BR limit per battle, maybe even different max. BR each day so we get some variety). Merry Christmas. It would be better than now, but still bad. Limiting 1sts is a good idea, but they should be accessible to everyone by different means, just with more effort. Best option would be to increase their crafting price. Second best would be to reward people with VM's by activity, not skills. 2
Corona Lisa Posted December 24, 2017 Posted December 24, 2017 6 minutes ago, vazco said: It would be better than now, but still bad. Limiting 1sts is a good idea, but they should be accessible to everyone by different means, just with more effort. Best option would be to increase their crafting price. Second best would be to reward people with VM's by activity, not skills. We had this, then everyone sits in the port for 2 weeks to craft the ships and then they are not rare again and just need a lot of boring grind. 2
PenguPirate Posted December 24, 2017 Posted December 24, 2017 On 07/12/2017 at 9:29 PM, admin said: Update was deployed today 22 Dec. Labor hours contracts can now be bought for combat marks Victory marks can be bought for PvP marks to promote both RVR and PVP activites Prices for ship notes for PvP marks updated and generally lowered. Wasa and L' Hermione have been moved to PVP rewards and prices were updated Ability to acquire wasa on a pve server will be added next week together with the removal of permits for majority of vessels on both servers. permits will remain for first rates and second rates Distribution of victory marks changed victory marks will be given to top 3 positions on the conquest weekly leaderboard 3 marks for first place 2 marks for second place 1 marks for third place victory marks will only be given to the players who: Have at least one lord protector status in at least one port by the end of the round - bringing his nation a control point or, Participated in a successful port battle during the conquest round (even if the port was lost later on) - bringing his nation a battle point Cool story, bro
PenguPirate Posted December 24, 2017 Posted December 24, 2017 24 minutes ago, Jon Snow lets go said: We had this, then everyone sits in the port for 2 weeks to craft the ships and then they are not rare again and just need a lot of boring grind. We need to work with the ironborns. They are the best ship builders in the seven kingdoms.
PenguPirate Posted December 24, 2017 Posted December 24, 2017 Lads, it's Christmas. We should cease hostility for a day and enjoy other's company
PIerrick de Badas Posted December 24, 2017 Posted December 24, 2017 Have you seen that the only one supporting the patch are Sweden? They are not so many but their lobby seems perfect as they reach their goal to make the game follow their lead to let them stay on top. Congrats @sveno, @rediii. Dont'have expect anyone to attack your ports untill we can have same ships than yo. We could effort to fight Cartagena fit ships but not victory against consti sorry 1
Teutonic Posted December 24, 2017 Posted December 24, 2017 16 minutes ago, PIerrick de Badas said: Have you seen that the only one supporting the patch are Sweden? They are not so many but their lobby seems perfect as they reach their goal to make the game follow their lead to let them stay on top. Congrats @sveno, @rediii. Dont'have expect anyone to attack your ports untill we can have same ships than yo. We could effort to fight Cartagena fit ships but not victory against consti sorry What kind of next level conspiracy is this shit? I don't agree with sveno or rediii, but they aren't wrong on a number of things. I can't help but be rather speechless at this. 4
vazco Posted December 24, 2017 Posted December 24, 2017 Its admin's idea, not Swedish... Redii also mentioned snowball effect at first. Even though I don't agree with his current opinion that this change won't give some nations serious issues to engage in RvR (if I understood him right), blaming him for lobbying goes a bit too far...
Raxius Posted December 24, 2017 Posted December 24, 2017 back to the overall subject.... we play naval action for fun and a past-time and it is NOT fun to sink 40 players to obtain a permit (yes i know their is other ways but in terms of converting marks you will need to sink a lot of players). please revert the conversion back to combat marks as this will create equal opportunity and create more RVR. new players especially suffer from this update as they would need to sink 40 players to even begin opening slots on a 1st rate. not to mension risk it in rvr just to repeat the whole process. i am not inagreement with this patch i think it hasnt been thought through at all. if you want 1st rates to be more valuable make them more expensive to craft or introduce a consumer if you dont want too many sailing around at once for example an item that is consumed whilst sailing in OW such as provisions... or rations. or even make them 1k combat marks per permit.. but atleast allow it to be equal as new players will not use 1st rates even if they have the marks to convert to victory marks because they are too VALUABLE with the current conversion. with high hopes i wish you change it. Raxius to simplify this entire arguement - we know the value of a 1st rate we know the time it takes and we know the grind required following update. @admin tell me why a player would then risk a 1st rate with the current RVR mechanics??? too uch risk too little reward in my opinion if you want to make the tool hard to obtain then the reward must be even greater. 4
Capn Rocko Posted December 24, 2017 Posted December 24, 2017 2 hours ago, Raxius said: @admin tell me why a player would then risk a 1st rate with the current RVR mechanics??? too uch risk too little reward in my opinion if you want to make the tool hard to obtain then the reward must be even greater. With the current RvR mechanics, there are plenty of PBs that do not require 1st rates... 1
Slim McSauce Posted December 24, 2017 Posted December 24, 2017 Just now, Capn Rocko said: With the current RvR mechanics, there are plenty of PBs that do not require 1st rates... And the ones that do, don't require that many. But yeah CMs should be exchangeable for VMs, say 500 a pop 1
PenguPirate Posted December 24, 2017 Posted December 24, 2017 6 hours ago, PIerrick de Badas said: Have you seen that the only one supporting the patch are Sweden? They are not so many but their lobby seems perfect as they reach their goal to make the game follow their lead to let them stay on top. Congrats @sveno, @rediii. Dont'have expect anyone to attack your ports untill we can have same ships than yo. We could effort to fight Cartagena fit ships but not victory against consti sorry Don't attribute cock-up to conspiracy. The Devs are just way out of touch with the difficulty in getting PvP marks compared to combat marks, and the advantages of being able to field 1st rates and replace them
DustyTrashenborough Posted December 24, 2017 Posted December 24, 2017 (edited) @admin Merry Christmas, boss! Can I be gifted a present in the form of answers for how making Victory mark convertible from 100 PvP marks only promotes RvR or PvP? Boss, can you limit number of 1st rates or other rates per PB explicitly? Why not try less PvP marks to Victory Marks? People still need to find find resources to craft, and if say 30 PvP marks == 1 Victory marks, more people might just say "Sigh, very well, We'll go out and hunt just a bit more" instead of saying "HECKING BAMBOOZLED AGAIN!" And boss, what about 1 PvP mark even if you lose as long as you did damage(we can even set a percentage of damage threshold)? Get all the guys who think they're not up to snuff to face-roll their keyboards to PvP marks hoarding club Edited December 24, 2017 by DustyA 1
Raxius Posted December 25, 2017 Posted December 25, 2017 11 hours ago, Capn Rocko said: With the current RvR mechanics, there are plenty of PBs that do not require 1st rates... so your saying do not take them? well that clearly shows inbalance since pre-map winners have clear advantage and WILL bring them whilst others have to farm like a pig for same privilege. thanks for pointing that out 1
Tiedemann Posted December 25, 2017 Posted December 25, 2017 (edited) I do not enjoy sailing around in OW hunting new players in under crewed Snow's. And because I need 50 PvP marks to get 1 victory mark, I have no other option than to I kill what ever I find.. But sinking low level players makes me feel bad! Not to mention it might be the last straw that makes the unlucky new player quit the game. So to push/force this kind of behavior is not good for the game. Most of the veterans stay in the safe zones attacking AI fleets and they only sail out in force when they have the BR advantage and your sitting right outside their port. If this is the direction this game is taking the low ranked players need more help asap! Reinforcement should be easier to enable. Like huge red letters in the middle of the screen saying "Press [a single key button] to call reinforcements. There are so many of the new players that do not know that they need to press [Ctrl] to get the mouse and then click on the reinforcement button. The lower level missions should spawn within the safe sone where the battle instant closes. Just make it easy they are newbies! And then remove the possibility of attacking AI fleets in the safe zone. Just to force the players that just sit at the port entrance out of the safe zone and in to OW.. I personally think it should be possible to convert combat marks into victory marks. Just make it very expensive, like 1000 : 1 or even 2500 : 1. Edited December 25, 2017 by Tiedemann 4
admin Posted December 25, 2017 Author Posted December 25, 2017 On 24.12.2017 at 2:22 AM, vazco said: I won't do this. Reporting those two won't fix anything, there are probably dozen others. Rules are wrong, since they force and allow for people to do this. Rules should be changed to fix this. we reset progress for at least 11 players based on reports. 6
Bart Smith Posted December 25, 2017 Posted December 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, admin said: we reset progress for at least 11 players based on reports. But those who not get reported will profit...
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