admin Posted December 22, 2017 Author Posted December 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, vazco said: Do I understand correctly that if you participated in defensive battles only, you won't get VM's? it does not matter which battle - you have to win one battle (even defensive)
Christendom Posted December 22, 2017 Posted December 22, 2017 Swedish alt clan “MARKS” is currently now recruiting. will guarantee 1 shallow water PB triggered per week! Win or lose! Inquire within 10
Seraphic Radiance Posted December 22, 2017 Posted December 22, 2017 3 hours ago, admin said: We have not angered all player base. Some players are angry of course. we knew the change would be unpopular (just like the merge) so merge and making rvr important had to be done once in one quick clean cut and had to be done before the new year. Since from the new year every patch will only focus on the positive. Tutorial might come at the end of december, UI, Localization and other new amazing features. We do want rvr to matter and we KNEW it will be unpopular but we want players to organize and fight. Old players are the most disappointed but we do want old players (who are already skilled) to take start influencing and teaching their nations to fight and win, and if they are not forced to do it they will never do it. Without visual rewards you won't achieve anything. Show people whats out there for them if they win and make it worth their time.
Corona Lisa Posted December 22, 2017 Posted December 22, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Christendom said: Swedish alt clan “MARKS” is currently now recruiting. will guarantee 1 shallow water PB triggered per week! Win or lose! Inquire within U deserve to be banned. Naval Griefing at its finest Edited December 22, 2017 by Jon Snow lets go 3
Seraphic Radiance Posted December 22, 2017 Posted December 22, 2017 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Christendom said: Swedish alt clan “MARKS” is currently now recruiting. will guarantee 1 shallow water PB triggered per week! Win or lose! Inquire within mark farming won't happen as only top 3 per week will get tiny rewards. Let's say if Devs adjust 1st rate cost to 25 marks and you only get 1-3 per week do the math. Mark trading should also be prohibited and account bound to promote RvR. PVP kills marks and RvR win marks have to be 2 different things. Edited December 22, 2017 by Seraphic Radiance
Lord Amplify of Key West Posted December 22, 2017 Posted December 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Jon Snow lets go said: U deserve to be banned. Naval Griefing at its finest what do you mean they are furthering swedish conquest which gives them marks as per the system stop being mad please devs made this mess devs can fix it no one else
vazco Posted December 22, 2017 Posted December 22, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, admin said: We do want rvr to matter and we KNEW it will be unpopular but we want players to organize and fight. Old players are the most disappointed but we do want old players (who are already skilled) to take start influencing and teaching their nations to fight and win, and if they are not forced to do it they will never do it. In the last month in PFK me and a few other players taught people who didn't know basics of sailing how to be a somewhat cohesive force in battle. You probably have no idea how much work it took - it was a job. From 2 players ready for RvR now we can field maybe 8, with 8 more getting there. We recruited maybe 15 more who bought your game. I'm giving you a feedback as someone who is doing what you want people to do. The new system restricting access to ships is a mistake. The end result will be that either: people will move to big nations. Game diversity will be harmed, and politics will suffer. There will be less conflict due to less politics. Tutors like me will stop tutoring, as what they have built will break apart people will start leaving - once big nations start to stomp small ones to get easy map points. They will not be risking their precious 1st rate ships for an even enemy. Small nations will not stand a chance. It took us about 10 times to sink our whole fleet in our fully equipped 1st rates to get to a state where we can fight with Rubli and from time to time get a result that in 10 vs 10 we sink 4 and they sink 7. We should probably sink 10 more times before we will get to the same level. With new system we can't afford it. Without 1st rates, people won't learn. They won't even want to fight better enemy, as they will feel they're disadvantaged from the start in their inferior ships. New system won't allow for new people to learn - it will be simply too costly. ps. I feel quite strange when someone says I need to be forced to teach people, when I'm actually teaching people and new changes are destroying my ability to do so. I write this already after seeing that VM's can be bought from PvP marks. They're still too expensive. New people sink more often than they sink others, especially in inferior ships. Getting 100 marks will take a new guy approx. 2 months of fighting every second day. I will be ok, new players won't. Edited December 22, 2017 by vazco 5
Seraphic Radiance Posted December 22, 2017 Posted December 22, 2017 (edited) Let actions dictate the rewards and not influence. Edited December 22, 2017 by Seraphic Radiance
Christendom Posted December 22, 2017 Posted December 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, Jon Snow lets go said: U deserve to be banned. Naval Griefing at its finest How so? Creating a clan for addditonal players inside the Swedish nation and fighting legit battles? Is that a bannable offense now? Our enemies will of course all have cannons. 2
PenguPirate Posted December 22, 2017 Posted December 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, Jon Snow lets go said: U deserve to be banned. Naval Griefing at its finest He offers to do at least 1 port battle per week. Nothing to get upset about. Don't like the clan name?
Seraphic Radiance Posted December 22, 2017 Posted December 22, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, admin said: Wasa and L' Hermione have been moved to PVP rewards and prices were updated Make sure you add ships that people don't use that much to PvE exchange. Players should be able to grind fleets and get some ship rewards. Edited December 22, 2017 by Seraphic Radiance
Alado Posted December 22, 2017 Posted December 22, 2017 1 hour ago, admin said: Victory marks can be bought for PvP marks to promote both RVR and PVP activites Why i cant play at i want in this game??? if i want a sol why i need RvR??? I dont undestand, we back to june with whippe????
vazco Posted December 22, 2017 Posted December 22, 2017 12 minutes ago, Seraphic Radiance said: Mark trading should also be prohibited and account bound to promote RvR. I feel it's obvious account-bounding won't work, however I think I have to explain it to make sure everyone understands. You have to trade VM's, permits and PvP marks. Not everyone is a lvl 50 crafter who can craft a 1st rate. Not everyone is a PvP player, who will get marks through PvP. People also want to share PvP marks equally when they sail in groups (at least we do). 1
PenguPirate Posted December 22, 2017 Posted December 22, 2017 6 minutes ago, vazco said: In the last month in PFK me and a few other players taught people who didn't know basics of sailing how to be a somewhat cohesive force in battle. You probably have no idea how much work it took - it was a job. From 2 players ready for RvR now we can field maybe 8, with 8 more getting there. We recruited maybe 15 more who bought your game. I'm giving you a feedback as someone who is doing what you want people to do. The new system restricting access to ships is a mistake. The end result will be that either: people will move to big nations. Game diversity will be harmed, and politics will suffer. There will be less conflict due to less politics. Tutors like me will stop tutoring, as what they have built will break apart people will start leaving - once big nations start to stomp small ones to get easy map points. They will not be risking their precious 1st rate ships for an even enemy. Small nations will not stand a chance. It took us about 10 times to sink our whole fleet in our fully equipped 1st rates to get to a state where we can fight with Rubli from time to time and get a result that in 10 vs 10 we sink 4 and they sink 7. We should probably sink 10 more times before we will get to the same level. With new system we can't afford it. Without 1st rates, people won't learn. They won't even want to fight better enemy, as they will feel they're disadvantaged from the start in their inferior ships. New system won't allow for new people to learn - it will be simply too costly. ps. I feel quite strange when someone says I need to be forced to teach people, when I'm actually teaching people and new changes are destroying my ability to do so. I write this already after seeing that VM's can be bought from PvP marks. They're still too expensive. New people sink more often than they sink others, especially in inferior ships. Getting 100 marks will take a new guy approx. 2 months of fighting. I will be ok, new players won't. Jesus Christ, man. In a sea of angry rants and general poop throwing, you manage to outdone yourself with this level-headed argument. I'd just add my piece that with every decent ship being so damn precious now, I am more likely to keep them safe in Port or protected zone and only sail out with a lot of people, like at least a 10 man fleet. And for those who are starting PvP after everyone else, they're gonna find themselves in a really disadvantaged position to start. I've done PvP myself, but that was when I can afford to lose ship and not worry too much or know that whatever ship the enemies can bring I can bring out the same, and only our experience will determine the outcome of the match. The Devs seems to be making resource scarcity a drive to push PvP or RvR, but I think that will end up choking it. Again, well written. 4
Seraphic Radiance Posted December 22, 2017 Posted December 22, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, vazco said: I feel it's obvious account-bounding won't work, however I think I have to explain it to make sure everyone understands. You have to trade VM's, permits and PvP marks. Not everyone is a lvl 50 crafter who can craft a 1st rate. Not everyone is a PvP player, who will get marks through PvP. People also want to share PvP marks equally when they sail in groups (at least we do). Equally? No. It should be a lottery. Equality is hurting this game. Edited December 22, 2017 by Seraphic Radiance
PenguPirate Posted December 22, 2017 Posted December 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, Alado said: Why i cant play at i want in this game??? if i want a sol why i need RvR??? I dont undestand, we back to june with whippe???? Aggressive push towards PvP only. If you picked this server because you think you can enjoy both pve and pvp, you're in for a tough time. I'm sorry
vazco Posted December 22, 2017 Posted December 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, Seraphic Radiance said: Equally? No. It should be a lottery. Equality is hurting this game. This is our way of doing things. If someone tags enemy, chains them to death, demasts, and then someone else sinks the guy, we decided it's fair that chainer/demaster/tagger should get marks too. Others may have different systems. Still, it shouldn't be blocked. All other reasons why account-locking wouldn't work are more important though. Crafting, game style diversity, ship trading ability. 1
Alado Posted December 22, 2017 Posted December 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, PenguPirate said: Aggressive push towards PvP only. If you picked this server because you think you can enjoy both pve and pvp, you're in for a tough time. I'm sorry i pay this game like you, and I play what I want and as I want, I'm not a sheep 1
John Sheppard Posted December 22, 2017 Posted December 22, 2017 Guys.. there is a solution to screw the devs and their plans.. we all change nations and bunch up in 1 single nation .. take all the ports and we have everything we want.. let's see what the devs will do about it 2
PenguPirate Posted December 22, 2017 Posted December 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, Alado said: i pay this game like you, and I play what I want and as I want, I'm not a sheep Yes, but unfortunately the changes will negatively influence your experience with the game. We are being forced thru a singular path to get access to ships or items we want.
Hethwill, the Red Duke Posted December 22, 2017 Posted December 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, John Sheppard said: Guys.. there is a solution to screw the devs and their plans.. we all change nations and bunch up in 1 single nation .. take all the ports and we have everything we want.. let's see what the devs will do about it You think this is new idea ? Was done before when everyone took the black but wasn't to "screw". Was rather for fun given everything was going to be lost. See... there's a difference between wanting to play the game as is ( we aren't developers or we would be doing our own games, no? ) or simply want to "cry wolf!" and spread dissent... bad bad wolfie. Snappy salute. 1
qw569😳 Posted December 22, 2017 Posted December 22, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, John Sheppard said: Guys.. there is a solution to screw the devs and their plans.. we all change nations and bunch up in 1 single nation .. take all the ports and we have everything we want.. let's see what the devs will do about it I have another proposition. Do not use ships that require Victory Marks in PB. Edited December 22, 2017 by qw569 2
vazco Posted December 22, 2017 Posted December 22, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, John Sheppard said: Guys.. there is a solution to screw the devs and their plans.. we all change nations and bunch up in 1 single nation .. take all the ports and we have everything we want.. let's see what the devs will do about it Commonwealth will try to be independent and will try to fight. I give it 3 weeks though for us to die out due to lack of 1st rates, players leaving game (80%) or leaking away to other nations(20%), and gank on our ports from one of the big nations. Edited December 22, 2017 by vazco 2
PenguPirate Posted December 22, 2017 Posted December 22, 2017 9 minutes ago, John Sheppard said: Guys.. there is a solution to screw the devs and their plans.. we all change nations and bunch up in 1 single nation .. take all the ports and we have everything we want.. let's see what the devs will do about it That would be like the PvE server which seems more like the saner choice now, looking back. Yes, you do miss out on PvP unless you wanna green on green. But is probably less frustrating.
admin Posted December 22, 2017 Author Posted December 22, 2017 1 minute ago, vazco said: Commonwealth will try to be independent and will try to fight. I give it 3 weeks though for us to die out due to lack of 1st rates, players leaving game or leaking away to other nations, and gank on our ports from one of the big nations. what about VMs for pvp marks? I have heard you guys are active in PVP. 1
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