Patch 14: Part 2 experimental patch increasing realism in ship behavior

[Navalus Magnus]

2 hours ago, Seraphic Radiance said:

You are on test grounds here and everything goes before final release. 

I‘m on test grounds here since I don‘t know when and devs keep on changing this and that, forth and back!

Admittedly they‘ve done good things and they are a small team.

BUT if the team is small it should be focused even more on the most important things of a game!

First things first!

All the finetunig could be done when the game content is final.

And if NAs content is final like it is now I fear it won‘t be enough!

[Red Dragon 13]

17 minutes ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

Question about old permits for ships that might not have them after the next patches when they are removed.  Can you have an exchange system so folks can exchange old permits for VM's or CM's that they spent to buy them. I have a lot of permits i have bought and stored up of all the ships and it would suck to loose all those CM's or VM's for what I spent on them.

It is only fair

[Slim McSauce]

35 minutes ago, victor said:

And of course it's you PVP players that are the only ones entitled to dictate how and where PVE player shall have their endgame content in top tier ships.

Why don't just play your game as you like and let other play theirs as they like?

It's really so difficult?

Because this is the PVP server first and foremost. You have a server where you can PVE in any ship you want anywhere.

Letting people acquire millions of gold risk free is what makes the economy shit. PVPers and even traders have to work hard and risk a lot to make loads of money. 1st rate missions aren't challenging, PVErs have it too easy. That's why if you want to make loads of money, you should go out and make it not sit in safezone and do missions.

PVE "endgame" isn't doing safezone missions

Edited December 22, 2017 by Slim Jimmerson

[Sir Texas Sir]

47 minutes ago, Jean Ribault said:

When they announce a ship wipe next week, I'm going to PM you with a big grin smilie. 

But honestly, aren't you always saying that you prefer to sail the 4th and 5th rates?  I thought that was your preference.

Well they did say they will have to do a wipe to bring in paints and I been bugging them to bring back piants...lol

As for ships yah I prefer the Frigates and below myself.  That is prob why I like fighting in the Victory over the other 1st rates.  Hell since wipe I haven't even been in a Santi at all. I only put the l'ocean on my alt so he had something other than the Victory to take.  Those silly Americans keep getting stuck in the wind and I keep boreding them so I got free 1st rates out of it.

Though I think this is a good move will get folks to bring more other ships to PB's than to stack the biggest ones.  Also if they start to loose 1st rates out side to a swarm of frigates and such you will stop seeing so many of them showing up too.  I still don't like how a small clan can be screened out of a port battle by a much bigger screening fleet, but than that just means you have to pick your targets more wisely.

[Sir Texas Sir]

1 minute ago, rediii said:

All i can see in this thread is why sweden actually became nr. 1 on leaderboard.

 

1. a patch hits

Now theres a difference between sweden and other nations

Other nations: "This is broken, hello kittying stupid, etc."

Sweden: " ok lets see how we work with that"

 

It was like that already at wipe and now its the same.

 

Insteqd of using more 3rd rates and play smart people only bitch around and cry instead of thinking how to do it

Same with how pirates was on Global.  "Oh new mechanics lets find out how these work and lets get this done."  All the while folks that don't learn them and get curb stomp spend all there energy complaining over the mechanics they haven't even gone out and learned.

To many folks want every thing just given to them.  If you want the top tier stuff you need to work hard and do the top tier content to get it.

 

[HachiRoku]

6 hours ago, rediii said:

All i can see in this thread is why sweden actually became nr. 1 on leaderboard.

 

1. a patch hits

Now theres a difference between sweden and other nations

Other nations: "This is broken, hello kittying stupid, etc."

Sweden: " ok lets see how we work with that"

 

It was like that already at wipe and now its the same.

 

Insteqd of using more 3rd rates and play smart people only bitch around and cry instead of thinking how to do it

You're right. I would love to see 3rd rates all around the place and 1st rates being rare. Thing is that 2-3 Bellonas might have trouble penning and sinking a 1st rate. The devs don't have a bad idea here. They should have fixed op thickness and br first. 

Edited December 22, 2017 by HachiRoku
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[Serk]

2 minutes ago, HachiRoku said:

You're right. I would love to see 3rd rate All around and 1st rates being rare. Thing is that 2-3 Bellona s might have trouble penning and sink a 1st rate. The devs don't have a bad idea here. They should have fixed op thickness and br first. 

And launch the 3 new 3rd rates they announced ! (Montanes, Wrecker and Téméraire).

 

It will obviously take a few months before we see them.

[HachiRoku]

8 minutes ago, Serk said:

And launch the 3 new 3rd rates they announced ! (Montanes, Wrecker and Téméraire).

 

It will obviously take a few months before we see them.

we dont have months  I would give the 3rd rate better guns, make her a bellona clone as she is and just have 2 different colored ships. Then we have 3 3rd rates. Wasa, bellona and 3rd rate. 

[Angus Walter]

I made and account on the forum just for this so this is the first and last time you see me here.

I'm fairly new to this game and I've had good times on it, just got to 1st rate ship, been of every battle I could. I've lost an incredibly valuable ship yesturday and spend 3 hour chasing somebody. I'm struggling cope the very powerfull builts of PVP reward of other and very good player, I must admit. I've not won a single PVP mark because those I hurt didn't sink in this battle. Now you are telling that I need hundreds of those to keep playing...

You've broken the game and kept my money, at least I can try to discourage other to buy. You'll have the rating that you deserve.

Those already load up who are in favor of this shit, enjoy sailling in empty ocean or not at all since this thing is close to end.

[Iroquois Confederacy]

I'm in the same boat, I think.  Green zones aside (when will Pig Cloud finally relieve our penance?), the big issue seems to be over-thick hulls.  2nd & 3rd rates need to be able to knock out a 1st.

[Seraphic Radiance]

2 hours ago, Jean Ribault said:

When they announce a ship wipe next week, I'm going to PM you with a big grin smilie. 

But honestly, aren't you always saying that you prefer to sail the 4th and 5th rates?  I thought that was your preference.

I can confirm that there is no escape from that. 

[Seraphic Radiance]

2 hours ago, Slim Jimmerson said:

They pretty much are with how slow they sail, but people can still do missions in safezone for millions and millions of gold. If you want to PVE and make tons of money in your 1st rate, it should be in an epic event type mission.

Money are worthless in NA. There is no content that can bring value back to cash. Game is pvp oriented with 100% focus, the rest is brutally ignored. 

Edited December 22, 2017 by Seraphic Radiance

[Teutonic]

6 minutes ago, Wraith said:

Two speed fit 4ths and a thickness fit 2nd can take our a 1st via stern raking and capping though (and that's with the 1st being both a quality 1st rate sailor and board fit). So, balanced?

Current BR though in ports means a 1st rate is always superior to a third rate, i think that's a problem we have to address as well.

380/400 br for 3rd/bellona

450 br for pavel/buc

600/625/650 for vic/ocean/santi

Idk about you but i'd take a 1st rate in their current form over a 3rd...heck even a 2nd rate for any port battle.

4800?

8 vics or 12 bellonas? I'd take the vics, i'd even take the oceans and santis before considering bellonas... and if we are being realistic, no one would in their right mind would take 3rd rates with a 250 br Wasa lol.

 

Edited December 22, 2017 by Teutonic

[Seraphic Radiance]

19 minutes ago, Teutonic said:

Current BR though in ports means a 1st rate is always superior to a third rate, i think that's a problem we have to address as well.

380/400 br for 3rd/bellona

450 br for pavel/buc

600/625/650 for vic/ocean/santi

Idk about you but i'd take a 1st rate in their current form over a 3rd...heck even a 2nd rate for any port battle.

4800?

8 vics or 12 bellonas? I'd take the vics, i'd even take the oceans and santis before considering bellonas

 

Yep , and also zerg who always wins will steam roll through everything in the best ships soon enough and that my friend is the sharp nail that is waiting to strike. 

Potbs had the same problem. French one time became so strong that they would take 1st rates to pvp on daily basis and no one else could afford to beat them. Potbs they had instaspike mechanics where you could sink a 1st rate in 1 sec and that balanced many things. You could mod a group in cheap ships and pick few 1st rates here and there, causing damage to that nation. In NA best nation will sail and flip ports in a massive unbreakable fleet and you won't be able to do anything. 

These are the days we #ragequit.

 How to avoid such dangerous scenario? Buff 3rd rates and make them 1st rate killers when in organized group. Somewhat good armor and good guns + penetration bonus. 

It's time to introduce default ship bonuses. This will balance many things and make this game epic.

ex.

Bellona basic - No bonuses

Bellona Navy Issue - +5% penetration +5% range +5% penetration resist.

Edited December 22, 2017 by Seraphic Radiance

[NavalActionPlayer]

6 hours ago, admin said:

Update was deployed today 22 Dec.

• Labor hours contracts can now be bought for combat marks
• Victory marks can be bought for PvP marks to promote both RVR and PVP activites
• Prices for ship notes for PvP marks updated and generally lowered.
• Wasa and L' Hermione have been moved to PVP rewards and prices were updated
• Ability to acquire wasa on a pve server will be added next week together with the removal of permits for majority of vessels on both servers.
  • permits will remain for first rates and second rates
• Distribution of victory marks changed
  • victory marks will be given to top 3 positions on the conquest weekly leaderboard
    • 3 marks for first place
    • 2 marks for second place
    • 1 marks for third place
  • victory marks will only be given to the players who:
    • Have at least one lord protector status in at least one port by the end of the round - bringing his nation a control point or,
    • Participated in a successful port battle during the conquest round (even if the port was lost later on) - bringing his nation a battle point

Yet another kick in the teeth for solo players.....you guys really really don't want solo players do you? You only want players who are in the right cliques. The only way to be successful in the game is to kiss the arse of a few elite players who run clans for their own benefit and get the devs to do what they want. This is no sandbox game.

Noobs be warned - if you don't want to slavishly follow orders and want to do anything else than exactly what you are told then be prepared for a game that has really lost its way. If you are prepared to be a drone and not do anything without getting permission then go ahead and waste your money.

And before the fanbois shout.....I am a very experienced player with many thousands of hours in the game. Nor is this anything to do with the server merge.

THE GAME USED TO BE FUN WHETHER A SOLO PLAYER OR A CLAN PLAYER BUT THOSE DAYS ARE NOW LONG GONE.

And that's the saddest thing......the game is no longer enjoyable for a huge group of players.....a great game has been lost.

[Hethwill, the Red Duke]

Holy....

Weren't the zones introduced exactly to give a growing/playing ground for newcomers and solo players !? They truly removed the solo hunter though... aren't those solo player as well !?

[fox2run]

2 minutes ago, NavalActionPlayer said:

Yet another kick in the teeth for solo players.....you guys really really don't want solo players do you? You only want players who are in the right cliques. The only way to be successful in the game is to kiss the arse of a few elite players who run clans for their own benefit and get the devs to do what they want. This is no sandbox game.

Noobs be warned - if you don't want to slavishly follow orders and want to do anything else than exactly what you are told then be prepared for a game that has really lost its way. If you are prepared to be a drone and not do anything without getting permission then go ahead and waste your money.

And before the fanbois shout.....I am a very experienced player with many thousands of hours in the game. Nor is this anything to do with the server merge.

THE GAME USED TO BE FUN WHETHER A SOLO PLAYER OR A CLAN PLAYER BUT THOSE DAYS ARE NOW LONG GONE.

And that's the saddest thing......the game is no longer enjoyable for a huge group of players.....a great game has been lost.

+1

excactly my words!

[Seraphic Radiance]

8 minutes ago, NavalActionPlayer said:

Yet another kick in the teeth for solo players.....you guys really really don't want solo players do you? You only want players who are in the right cliques. The only way to be successful in the game is to kiss the arse of a few elite players who run clans for their own benefit and get the devs to do what they want. This is no sandbox game.

Noobs be warned - if you don't want to slavishly follow orders and want to do anything else than exactly what you are told then be prepared for a game that has really lost its way. If you are prepared to be a drone and not do anything without getting permission then go ahead and waste your money.

And before the fanbois shout.....I am a very experienced player with many thousands of hours in the game. Nor is this anything to do with the server merge.

THE GAME USED TO BE FUN WHETHER A SOLO PLAYER OR A CLAN PLAYER BUT THOSE DAYS ARE NOW LONG GONE.

And that's the saddest thing......the game is no longer enjoyable for a huge group of players.....a great game has been lost.

Admin said it very clearly. He builds NA for himself first. You have to understand it. Or am I wrong here again?

Edited December 22, 2017 by Seraphic Radiance

[fox2run]

3 minutes ago, Seraphic Radiance said:

Admin said it very clearly. He builds NA for himself first. You have to understand it. Or am I wrong here again?

If this is the case, I want my money back!

[NethrosDefectus]

5 hours ago, Intrepido said:

Still heavy rattle, niagara for victory marks... How are we going to compete in shallow water ports against those nations which are the top winners?

Wasa also incredibily expensive, only 25 less pvp marks than a Santisima...

Please balance again the costs.

Make the wasa costs 35 pvp marks and the first rates 75 pvp marks.

Nah, that wasa is massively OP and the cost should reflect that, otherwise what is the point of introducing the cost at all?

 

And I believe they said they will be removing permits for ships below 2nd rate

Edited December 22, 2017 by NethrosDefectus

[Sir Texas Sir]

1 hour ago, HachiRoku said:

we dont have months  I would give the 3rd rate better guns, make her a bellona clone as she is and just have 2 different colored ships. Then we have 3 3rd rates. Wasa, bellona and 3rd rate. 

Make the 3rd rate the CM ship instead of the Wasa and we would prob see it more out there.  Though I agree the Wasa Br needs to place it around the 3rd rates and I think that would actulaly balance it out a lot more.  That and some other ships like Indifatable shouldn't be the same BR as a 4th rates, even though it has those killer gun decks, but why would I bring a 5th rate over any 4th rate that takes up the same BR unless that is all the player can crew?

6 minutes ago, NavalActionPlayer said:

Yet another kick in the teeth for solo players.....you guys really really don't want solo players do you? You only want players who are in the right cliques. The only way to be successful in the game is to kiss the arse of a few elite players who run clans for their own benefit and get the devs to do what they want. This is no sandbox game.

Noobs be warned - if you don't want to slavishly follow orders and want to do anything else than exactly what you are told then be prepared for a game that has really lost its way. If you are prepared to be a drone and not do anything without getting permission then go ahead and waste your money.

And before the fanbois shout.....I am a very experienced player with many thousands of hours in the game. Nor is this anything to do with the server merge.

THE GAME USED TO BE FUN WHETHER A SOLO PLAYER OR A CLAN PLAYER BUT THOSE DAYS ARE NOW LONG GONE.

And that's the saddest thing......the game is no longer enjoyable for a huge group of players.....a great game has been lost.

Cause every game i been on there was Solo content and than group/RvR content and you couldn't get the RvR/Group content by being only a solo player. Sorry every thing shouldn't be there for every player.  If you want PvP content and your only a PvEer than you need to pay a PvP player for that content.  Same goes for RvR and solo players.  If you don't want to do RvR and you want RvR content than make a trade with a player that only does RvR.

See what your not seeing is in fact every thing is still there for you to use and play, just means it's not given to you, you have to actually go out and get it or pay some one else for what they have done.  It's like that in every other MMO out there. IF you want elite gear you have to play the elite content or go and pay some one big money to buy the gear off them.  

I personnelly hate 1st rates and only use them for grinding out big fleets or Port Battles, so I can live without ever having them if I wasn't doing RvR.  It's not the end of the world and it's not the only content in the game.  Many players love the shallow water ships and never plan to get out of anything bigger than a 5th rate cause that is what they like.  Some folks only sail trade ships and only do trade/craft.  There is aspects to the game for all types.  Just cause you can't get one content easy with a push of the button doesn't mean it's the end of the world.  Now you just got to work harder or get some one else to trade you for that content.

[Guenwhyvar]

Why even try to defend this bombshell-right-before-Christmas?

The Devs obviously have NO UNDERSTANDING of what it means to develop an open-world game and the basic concept of game-balance

(edit: Didn't need the ? at the end of the last line. It was a statement of fact)

 

Edited December 22, 2017 by Guenwhyvar

[Seraphic Radiance]

2 minutes ago, Guenwhyvar said:

Why even try to defend this bombshell-right-before-Christmas?

The Devs obviously have NO UNDERSTANDING of what it means to develop an open-world game and the basic concept of game-balance?

 

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[Captain corn blower]

Sorry lots of changes back and forth same old shi T sorry really old now .where's new content added to the game more ships new ones even the old one that were removed .you asked for new ideas what we won't to see .I see nothing .WAIT. I did see a AT Essex keep up with me going in reverse ..now that's a major up date

[vazco]

2 hours ago, rediii said:

All i can see in this thread is why sweden actually became nr. 1 on leaderboard.

 

1. a patch hits

Now theres a difference between sweden and other nations

Other nations: "This is broken, hello kittying stupid, etc."

Sweden: " ok lets see how we work with that"

 

It was like that already at wipe and now its the same.

 

Insteqd of using more 3rd rates and play smart people only bitch around and cry instead of thinking how to do it

Given that you'll probably gain most on this patch in terms of power on the server, I think this is a strange statement.