Port Battle System is Pathetic

[BadBenny]

The Port battle current system needs to be changed to that anyone in nation can join the PB. This clan base system and totaly ruined the OW game IMO and the turn away from a nation based was a mistake.

My reason for this is, for example today at a PB players new to the nation and totaly new players could not enter the PB as they did not know they had to be in a clan to get into PB. You might say why did the older player not invite into clan etc etc. Well some ppl join a game and say nothing, ask nothing, stumble around in the dark, by their own choice. As a result a guy who has had the game 2 days has quit the game until release.  He could not understand the reason for the clan base PB and I don't blame him.

It was unlikely these new players would have made a difference to the result. But sure as shit I would have sunk more ships if it had gone the 1.5 hrs lol But we will not be playing PB's until its changed or fixed. So mega Alliance free Swede ports, have fun fighting ummmm well no one I guess lolol  

Anyway my 2 cents worth 

[Slim McSauce]

I'd agree with you, but it's the limitations of computer hardware that prevents us from having "proper" PBs.
Only 25 of your side can join the battle, there just isn't room for new players or loners (for lack of better term) to join when the result of PB could severely affect your nations/clans economy.

If it was possible, I'm sure the devs would allow as many people a side to join in a single battle but unfortunately we'll never get that. Maybe there will be a work around in the future, but for now that's how it is and I'd say the majority of players prefer this to the open PBs which were constantly abused.

Edited December 3, 2017 by Slim Jimmerson

[Teutonic]

4 minutes ago, Slim Jimmerson said:

 

If it was possible, I'm sure the devs would allow as many people a side to join in a single battle but unfortunately we'll never get that. Maybe there will be a work around in the future, but for now that's how it is and I'd say the majority of players like it this way.

Main reason it was changed to this way was because we had an overwhelming amount of complaints from groups who would "lose" a spot to a known "alt" from the other side. Essentially sealing the deal of who won the PB due to not being able to have a fair fight. the best solution was to have clans control who is allowed to join their PBs which in my opinion is still currently the better option.

I mean it got so bad that in some Port Battles, the attack was able to shove in 3-4 of their "alt" accounts into the defender's side (and vice versa) so it essentially became a 25 v 21 battle. Granted this is before Br limits, but you get the idea. It could potentially be worse now, imagine the enemy getting an alt into your defensive (or offensive) PB on a 2,400 BR port with a 1st rate - potentially knocking 2-3 players that you wanted in now unable to join.

You find the solution for allowing players in and making sure Alts don't get in and you then will have cracked the core of the problem.

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, BadBenny said:

The Port battle current system needs to be changed to that anyone in nation can join the PB. This clan base system and totaly ruined the OW game IMO and the turn away from a nation based was a mistake.

My reason for this is, for example today at a PB players new to the nation and totaly new players could not enter the PB as they did not know they had to be in a clan to get into PB. You might say why did the older player not invite into clan etc etc. Well some ppl join a game and say nothing, ask nothing, stumble around in the dark, by their own choice. As a result a guy who has had the game 2 days has quit the game until release.  He could not understand the reason for the clan base PB and I don't blame him.

It was unlikely these new players would have made a difference to the result. But sure as shit I would have sunk more ships if it had gone the 1.5 hrs lol But we will not be playing PB's until its changed or fixed. So mega Alliance free Swede ports, have fun fighting ummmm well no one I guess lolol  

Anyway my 2 cents worth 

RvR affects an entire nation. I've taken the liberty to underline the only reason needed why clanless players should not be able to partake in PBs.. If a player want to be part of a PB - by all means, either flip a port or join a clan that is involved with RvR. In all MMOs there are end-game content that no player - after just two days - can or should experience.. It's a team effort in a PB and no new player has the right to ruin a PB for everyone else through inexperience and stupidity. If a player want to participate in the end game content there are more than enough active clans that would jump at a chance to recruit that someone and even help with advice, lvl'ing, ships and ressources. 

[Guest]

Just now, Teutonic said:

Main reason it was changed to this way was because we had an overwhelming amount of complaints from groups who would "lose" a spot to a known "alt" from the other side. Essentially sealing the deal of who won the PB due to not being able to have a fair fight. the best solution was to have clans control who is allowed to join their PBs which in my opinion is still currently the better option.

I mean it got so bad that in some Port Battles, the attack was able to shove in 3-4 of their "alt" accounts into the defender's side (and vice versa) so it essentially became a 25 v 21 battle. Granted this is before Br limits, but you get the idea. It could potentially be worse now, imagine the enemy getting an alt into your defensive (or offensive) PB on a 2,400 BR port with a 1st rate - potentially knocking 2-3 players that you wanted in now unable to join.

You find the solution for allowing players in and making sure Alts don't get in and you then will have cracked the core of the problem.

The BR limitations makes it even more important that the PB commander is aware of how many players wants to join, their capability and what ship they can actually play..

[Slim McSauce]

2 minutes ago, Teutonic said:

Main reason it was changed to this way was because we had an overwhelming amount of complaints from groups who would "lose" a spot to a known "alt" from the other side. Essentially sealing the deal of who won the PB due to not being able to have a fair fight. the best solution was to have clans control who is allowed to join their PBs which in my opinion is still currently the better option.

I mean it got so bad that in some Port Battles, the attack was able to shove in 3-4 of their "alt" accounts into the defender's side (and vice versa) so it essentially became a 25 v 21 battle. Granted this is before Br limits, but you get the idea. It could potentially be worse now, imagine the enemy getting an alt into your defensive (or offensive) PB on a 2,400 BR port with a 1st rate - potentially knocking 2-3 players that you wanted in now unable to join.

You find the solution for allowing players in and making sure Alts don't get in and you then will have cracked the core of the problem.

Pretty much this, even 1 inconspicuous alt can drastically affect the result of a PB. The best solution I could come up with for PBs is to have multiple instances for PBs, once one becomes full another is created to let more people in. At the end of all the battles the score is tallied and the winner decided. Of course this would require a complete redo of PBs, but I think for PB to be the die-for content in the game, they have to be large scale, and scale up. When NA gets 2-3k players on a server, having 25 per side is gonna be very very tiny and the map will turn haywire from all the different PBs being set and ports flipped.

Edited December 3, 2017 by Slim Jimmerson

[Teutonic]

Just now, Bearwall said:

The BR limitations makes it even more important that the PB commander is aware of how many players wants to join, their capability and what ship they can actually play..

exactly.

I believe the problem here is something the EU server doesn't see normally. Where on Global, your nation has so few players, that even with all of them you never "fill" the BR limit. We have a good majority of nations on global with this problem where they are barely able to even cover 2,400 BR ports. So I think it's more difficult for players to understand why it happened when we have a split community.

Although the three nations on Global who benefited greatly from "clan control" are the Pirates, US, and Brits because they already had the population to fill PBs 25v25 against each other. There were multiple complaints and reports of both sides throwing Alts into the opposing sides PBs and a lot of mud slinging. Personally we are better off with the current way things work BUT that doesn't mean I or others are satisfied. I wish there was a way to temporarily allow players to join your PBs without ruining the clan control aspect.

[TheHaney]

Couldn't you just have it set up so that everybody in the battlegroup, when led by a member of the clan that set the PB, can get in? Anybody not in the battlegroup cannot join?

[BallsOfSteel]

ALT abuse was rife when being a pissant got you valuble marks for capturing a port that we no longer get, needs to revert

[Christendom]

Frankly the BR and clan mechanics are the best things that have happened to the PB system.  Clan X pays for the port, they should decide who gets in.  Smaller clans can compete with the larger ones.  It's good all around.  

[Jarlath Morrow]

I think we could have it both ways by allowing clans to set "Anyone" to the friendly list, if they are so inclined.

[IndianaGeoff]

1 hour ago, TheHaney said:

Couldn't you just have it set up so that everybody in the battlegroup, when led by a member of the clan that set the PB, can get in? Anybody not in the battlegroup cannot join?

Then a moderately successful screen would devastate an attack.  So the screening process would have to be examined.

[TheHaney]

24 minutes ago, IndianaGeoff said:

Then a moderately successful screen would devastate an attack.

Ah, fair point.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Christendom said:

Frankly the BR and clan mechanics are the best things that have happened to the PB system.  Clan X pays for the port, they should decide who gets in.  Smaller clans can compete with the larger ones.  It's good all around.  

/agreed

[King of Crowns]

4 hours ago, BadBenny said:

The Port battle current system needs to be changed to that anyone in nation can join the PB. This clan base system and totaly ruined the OW game IMO and the turn away from a nation based was a mistake.

My reason for this is, for example today at a PB players new to the nation and totaly new players could not enter the PB as they did not know they had to be in a clan to get into PB. You might say why did the older player not invite into clan etc etc. Well some ppl join a game and say nothing, ask nothing, stumble around in the dark, by their own choice. As a result a guy who has had the game 2 days has quit the game until release.  He could not understand the reason for the clan base PB and I don't blame him.

It was unlikely these new players would have made a difference to the result. But sure as shit I would have sunk more ships if it had gone the 1.5 hrs lol But we will not be playing PB's until its changed or fixed. So mega Alliance free Swede ports, have fun fighting ummmm well no one I guess lolol  

Anyway my 2 cents worth 

what you mean to say is that your fleet was sunk tonight and your mad. as was apparent by your ranting in global chat after you lost your first rates and frigates. the so called "mega alliance" that was just france and dutch a total of maybe 15-20 players.  and it was a defensive port battle! shoulda been no way you got screened out. but you and yours screwed up. Gg cya in a few months. 

[Hawkwood]

33 minutes ago, Borch said:

Again I feel like there is no bigger plan in developing this game

 

[Quineloe]

5 hours ago, BadBenny said:

The Port battle current system needs to be changed to that anyone in nation can join the PB. This clan base system and totaly ruined the OW game IMO and the turn away from a nation based was a mistake.

My reason for this is, for example today at a PB players new to the nation and totaly new players could not enter the PB as they did not know they had to be in a clan to get into PB. You might say why did the older player not invite into clan etc etc. Well some ppl join a game and say nothing, ask nothing, stumble around in the dark, by their own choice. As a result a guy who has had the game 2 days has quit the game until release.  He could not understand the reason for the clan base PB and I don't blame him.

It was unlikely these new players would have made a difference to the result. But sure as shit I would have sunk more ships if it had gone the 1.5 hrs lol But we will not be playing PB's until its changed or fixed. So mega Alliance free Swede ports, have fun fighting ummmm well no one I guess lolol  

Anyway my 2 cents worth 

This sounds completely fabricated. You're unable to join battles you see on the OW all the time.

 

4 hours ago, Teutonic said:

Main reason it was changed to this way was because we had an overwhelming amount of complaints from groups who would "lose" a spot to a known "alt" from the other side. Essentially sealing the deal of who won the PB due to not being able to have a fair fight. the best solution was to have clans control who is allowed to join their PBs which in my opinion is still currently the better option.

I mean it got so bad that in some Port Battles, the attack was able to shove in 3-4 of their "alt" accounts into the defender's side (and vice versa) so it essentially became a 25 v 21 battle. Granted this is before Br limits, but you get the idea. It could potentially be worse now, imagine the enemy getting an alt into your defensive (or offensive) PB on a 2,400 BR port with a 1st rate - potentially knocking 2-3 players that you wanted in now unable to join.

You find the solution for allowing players in and making sure Alts don't get in and you then will have cracked the core of the problem.

So that really happened? Why aren't the players banned? I mean, why aren't they limited to playing on the PVE server? All accounts PVE only. That seems to be the appropriate punishment.

[Bartholomew.E.Dogg]

Although I am mainly a "solo" player myself I see no problem with the clan based PB system.  In any major naval action there must be an organised fleet with a chain of command, this is difficult to achieve if too many lone wolves start joining in & possibly not following the agreed plan of action.  I have occasionally taken part in PBs by clan invitation so they are not exactly barred to non clan players, maybe we solo players just have to accept that we need to prove our capabilities & experience  in other ways in order to get the invites.

[seanjo]

Form a clan of loose affiliates, a clan that has no internal economy or warehouse, just a pooling clan for those loners, like me, that would like to get involved in PB's but don't want to be in a full-blown clan.

[Pablo Frias]

Imho current PB system is one of the best things devs have ever done.

[Hethwill, the Red Duke]

A clan of half a dozen buddies can participate.

A clan of 1 can participate. ( 1 mission, 100k, make clan )

Just need the clan tag and be on the clan friends.

Simple. Effective.

[BadBenny]

6 hours ago, Quineloe said:

This sounds completely fabricated. You're unable to join battles you see on the OW all the time.

 

So that really happened? Why aren't the players banned? I mean, why aren't they limited to playing on the PVE server? All accounts PVE only. That seems to be the appropriate punishment.

[ comment removed ] I got in PB fine, I saying other ppl in nation could not join. 

 

Also alts have nothing to do with it, it funny the alt whingers are the ones with alts in their clan lolol 

 

 

Captain, do not use such terms to address other captains.  - The Moderation Team.

[BadBenny]

2 hours ago, Intrepido said:

I completely disagree with the OP.

Your rant is the first one I have read about the new system which it clearly shows it is working much better than the one we had before.

 

Some people often forget the number of tribunal threads about PB sabotages.

Well this is the 1st time it has happened to us as a small nation only in last 2 weeks have we had some new players join. So if that is ok with you that I have my say. Gee thanks ,,,I,

[Quineloe]

3 hours ago, BadBenny said:

[ comment removed ] I got in PB fine, I saying other ppl in nation could not join. 

 

Also alts have nothing to do with it, it funny the alt whingers are the ones with alts in their clan lolol 

 

 

Captain, do not use such terms to address other captains.  - The Moderation Team.

LOL.

Anyways, organizational mistake on your end: could have just invited them to the clan. We do that all the time.

You're also confused alts in the same nation (else they couldn't be in the same clan) with crossteaming alts here.

[CaptVonGunn]

On 12/2/2017 at 10:03 PM, TheHaney said:

Couldn't you just have it set up so that everybody in the battlegroup, when led by a member of the clan that set the PB, can get in? Anybody not in the battlegroup cannot join?

TO an extent it is that way now.. the Clan that creates the PB(via the Hostility) sets the clans that can join.. Normally within those groups it is a single Battle Group sailing together to reduce the chance f getting screened out.  I think that as long as the Battle Group leader is from the Controlling clan that anyone in his BG should be able to join.. just not sure if their current code would get that:)