Bart Smith Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 Aye got impression here that everybody fight swedes on forums but not in game😉 8
Hethwill, the Red Duke Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 On 11/8/2017 at 9:42 AM, Bart Smith said: Aye got impression here that everybody fight swedes on forums but not in game😉 Expand Honestly ?! Some "fleets" that declared war are hopelessly subpar and are adamant against even trying to learn how to handle ships, any ship, all ships and blame all types of mechanics. They might have the "floating batteries" but if countered during their hostility drive they will be smashed like bugs. Others are more realistic and are doing what they do best. In essence you are closer to the truth than not. 1
monk33y Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 @The Red Duke do you still sail for gb? If so Iv got to ask how are you not board of pve missions and trading???
Hethwill, the Red Duke Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 On 11/8/2017 at 10:30 AM, monk33y said: @The Red Duke do you still sail for gb? If so Iv got to ask how are you not board of pve missions and trading??? Expand I did sail for GB in the very first instance of OW testing. Regarding trading I do like Euro Truck Simulator 2 a lot. Very relaxing game. 2
Thonys Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) On 11/7/2017 at 11:24 PM, sveno said: To the French and Dutch fighting late on tuesday North of Aves. After fighting some Brits North of Aves, you guys came out of fight and the Swedes had a same sized fleet outside waiting for you. You were splitting you group fleeing into different directions, so far no issue, but.... I have seen 3 instances of Dutch taggin French or French tagging Dutch to deny any usefull tag by the Swedes. It is clear that you guys are allied, and that is improper play, in the fights we were joining, no shots were fired and tag was at maximum distance. This miss-use is one of the reasons why such a popular feature as the outlaw battles was removed. We will not accept a such missuse and we will document the next fights to be able to raise this issue in the tribunal next time we see that. Be warned. Expand it seems allowed ..ask the devs the same thing happened when a swedes captain in dutch waters tagged an other (own or cooperating)ALT it seems the same the problem to solve this is to on forehand> declare war> on that ship /nation clan/captain (alliance/clan war declaration) otherwise, this will always be a problem (ai not included) try not to seek nails in shallow waters...(they are rusted ,) but i do understand your concerns and disapointment i think it is a clear answer: mimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimi (not impresed) Edited November 8, 2017 by Thonys 1
Thonys Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) On 11/7/2017 at 11:32 PM, Red Jack Walker said: A true shame.... Expand look at yourself captain if you hold a mirror in front of you, you will notice >>captains married woman will run away as fast as 42 pdr ball from your ship (betrail) Edited November 8, 2017 by Thonys
Leku Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) This topic clearly shows why this game is failing. Not only it shows same problems with mechanics all the time, but simply shows which individuos and their egos ruins other peoples experiences. Basic stuff. It`s just a game. Not even in beta. And some people abuse stupid mechanics all the time, all the way just to avoid/get adventage on others. When i read forums, and when i was still playing game it was mostly done by same people. Same clans. It`s not stupid decisions od devs that ruins this game most. It`s you people. Edited November 8, 2017 by Leku
Knobby Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 On 11/8/2017 at 8:15 AM, ScipioTortuga said: Oh and sure do come, just try to not flip before 6 o clock server again will you? Expand So the Dutch can ask the Swedes for a gentleman's agreement to not plan PB's during dinnertime (which is clearly a real mechanism and, other then that the time does not suit you, is being used as designed). But when Swedes ask Dutch and French not to use cheesy tactics to avoid a fight (which I agree is also a mechanism, but it is NOT meant to be used like this) we get ridicule and forum PvP. Why would we facilitate our enemies when this is what we get in return? How about you allies do what allies are for and fight those swedes together, instead of using cheese tactics to avoid fights on a PvP server? On 11/8/2017 at 9:15 AM, Jon Snow lets go said: Well you are diplo right? So if you think it matters you can talk to them Expand Well said. @ScipioTortuga You could be proactive and communicate to your nation's pvpers that if you as a nation ask for a favor from your enemies in portbattle timing, it would only be common courtesy to return such gentlemanly behavior in other pvp engagements... but I guess that would require you to have a secretary... Some other reflections on this thread: 'They are doing it too!' is no excuse for shitty behavior! I personally have not seen a swede do stuff like this or stuff that was mentioned in this thread, but if i did you can be sure I would speak out against it! And I would expect the same from everybody in this thread. The recent removal of Outlaw battles was for a different reason I agree, however the latest outlaw mechanic (can join anywhere) was created specifically to counter misuse of tagging each other to avoid battle by pirates in the old system. So it is clear that the devs think this is not how it is supposed to work! People arguing otherwise are being disingenuous because this time it was used against the nation everybody loves to hate on. People need to take of their blinders and try to look at this issue from a somewhat neutral perspective. It is clearly not the way this mechanism is supposed to be used, and ppl misusing it should be called out for it, regardless of which flag they sail under or who's friends they are. 2
Hethwill, the Red Duke Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 In my opinion, as long as Alliances do not come back as they were every suggestion is fine.
Thonys Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) On 11/8/2017 at 10:53 AM, rediii said: @admin I think its obvious that, if this is a intended mechanic, that big fleets in future will have 1 "hired player" beside them to do a "friendly battle" and be safe. I think there has to be a mechanic discouraging these things Expand it can be >> war declaration on clans as a mechanic to put in the game but at the moment we don't have it if that is introduced it is a valid mechanic now we just call it a cheating thing with no true rules perhaps in the future.. Edited November 8, 2017 by Thonys
Thonys Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) On 11/8/2017 at 10:58 AM, rediii said: how exactly would this help here? You declare war on france and right qfter you attack and declare them friendly again. Or you just declare war, whats the downside? Expand clan wars can have a coul down from 24 hours for example and war can take a 14 days period and stops automaticly (or 7 or 21 days) after 14 days you can declare war again (direct becouse it is not over) the eve system in hs Edited November 8, 2017 by Thonys
Hethwill, the Red Duke Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 Redii, I fail to see where that makes any difference to the situation presented by sveno. And outlaw battles do not seem to be an option.
Thonys Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 On 11/8/2017 at 9:42 AM, Bart Smith said: Aye got impression here that everybody fight swedes on forums but not in game😉 Expand its downtime here men..
Thonys Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) On 11/8/2017 at 11:05 AM, rediii said: So you cant attack anyone you are not at war with, is that what you mean? You want to kill ow pvp completly? because thats how you kill OW pvp completly Expand ofcourse you can declare war and you have your targets everywhere alliances are not only one clan ,but mostly groups of clans from every friendly alliance nations Edited November 8, 2017 by Thonys
ScipioTortuga Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 On 11/8/2017 at 10:49 AM, Knobby said: So the Dutch can ask the Swedes for a gentleman's agreement to not plan PB's during dinnertime (which is clearly a real mechanism and, other then that the time does not suit you, is being used as designed). But when Swedes ask Dutch and French not to use cheesy tactics to avoid a fight (which I agree is also a mechanism, but it is NOT meant to be used like this) we get ridicule and forum PvP. Why would we facilitate our enemies when this is what we get in return? How about you allies do what allies are for and fight those swedes together, instead of using cheese tactics to avoid fights on a PvP server? Expand Well you didnt accept that gentlemens agreemant either did you? So why should we? Also, I wasnt the one using those cheeky tactics, although I do agree it would be tempting. On 11/8/2017 at 10:49 AM, Knobby said: Well said. @ScipioTortuga You could be proactive and communicate to your nation's pvpers that if you as a nation ask for a favor from your enemies in portbattle timing, it would only be common courtesy to return such gentlemanly behavior in other pvp engagements... but I guess that would require you to have a secretary... Some other reflections on this thread: 'They are doing it too!' is no excuse for shitty behavior! I personally have not seen a swede do stuff like this or stuff that was mentioned in this thread, but if i did you can be sure I would speak out against it! And I would expect the same from everybody in this thread. The recent removal of Outlaw battles was for a different reason I agree, however the latest outlaw mechanic (can join anywhere) was created specifically to counter misuse of tagging each other to avoid battle by pirates in the old system. So it is clear that the devs think this is not how it is supposed to work! People arguing otherwise are being disingenuous because this time it was used against the nation everybody loves to hate on. People need to take of their blinders and try to look at this issue from a somewhat neutral perspective. It is clearly not the way this mechanism is supposed to be used, and ppl misusing it should be called out for it, regardless of which flag they sail under or who's friends they are. Expand Well if I find them i will surely tell them Sveno is threatening them. And your statement about 'they are doing it too' is quite ironic because you started yourselve with stating that, we do something so why should we.
Hethwill, the Red Duke Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 On 11/8/2017 at 11:04 AM, rediii said: I mean the joinsystem. Right now you have 2 circles where you are allowed to join rather fahr away from the battle. With outlaw joincircle you can join whereever you want. Even close to the enemy. With 2 min until battle begins and you can sail (example) and enemys ability to join next to you yoh dont want to initiate battle to get away because thats how you get catched Expand Gotcha. You want a spawn right next to the enemy. So I ask, when the enemy splits, and you split to chase them, what is the problem with several different battles, say - 2v1, 1v1, 3v2, 4v5 - given that is exactly what will end up happening when two forces split to chase each other ? Am I missing something here ?
ScipioTortuga Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 CABAL has endless alts in our nation too, Rediii, not just for trading but also for spotting us and escaping situations. We have no proof, but thats just as much as you have. 2
Thonys Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) On 11/8/2017 at 11:08 AM, rediii said: There are hundreds of clans on this server. Also what happens with clanless people? not attackable? And why shouldnt you declare war? so dutch cant help french in battles? you just do jt with another alt then Expand there you are wrong i dont use alts for doing funny stuff i don't practice kids play stupid jonker or sailor stuff i am an honorable captain from the Dutch nation you will never see me in an other nation or do treason, or whatever ....i have to get old you know. an when i have a pension of the government after retirement, i must have a good cigar in the garden on a sunny day remembering the honorable battles in the open waters of the Carribean Edited November 8, 2017 by Thonys 1
Tac Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 On 11/8/2017 at 11:10 AM, ScipioTortuga said: CABAL has endless alts in our nation too, Rediii, not just for trading but also for spotting us and escaping situations. We have no proof, but thats just as much as you have. Expand We also sacrifice the innocent and the pure at the Cabal alter.
ScipioTortuga Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 On 11/8/2017 at 11:11 AM, rediii said: Dont worry we will start recording next time we see dutch or french on OW. If cabal does the same you have the same intention to find a solution for this I guess? Expand Oh yes, but unless you, we will not threaten them on the forums in a post on the national news
Hethwill, the Red Duke Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 On 11/8/2017 at 11:10 AM, rediii said: No you didnt get it. They dont split, they tag eachother on maxdistance so if you join 1 side you are not in cannonrange to tag the other side. You then all leave the battle again, warp to a direction and if enemy gets close again they tag eachother on maxdistance again. With this you can safely travel anywhere the whole day Expand I did get it. I would then forfeit that fight and actually go to their home waters and start wreaking havok there. - "bypass enemy and attack their base of support" - But I may be wishing too much ? I mean... despite the odd mechanic... there's more than a way to wage war and the enemy will never do what we expect.
ScipioTortuga Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) On 11/8/2017 at 11:15 AM, rediii said: Why not threat someone who exploits a mechanic? Sveno could have created a tribunal too, and should have btw, to let these people be punished or atleast make it clear whats allowed and what isnt Expand But he doesnt have proof It isnt a 'broken' mechanic anyways. It IS a mechanic, if you like it or not. You should have went to the suggestions thread not the national news or tribunal. Edited November 8, 2017 by ScipioTortuga 1
Thonys Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) On 11/8/2017 at 11:14 AM, rediii said: I dont care who has honor and who doesnt. Once this server and game is good populated the mechanics have to be on point. This mechanic isnt on point Expand true. i m sorry you dont care you can also do ping pong or something else for that matter i cant believe you are not honorable Edited November 8, 2017 by Thonys 1
ScipioTortuga Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 On 11/8/2017 at 11:18 AM, rediii said: i dont say ckward to anyone, I say "broken mechanic, please fix" Expand Than do it in the suggestions 1
monk33y Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 On 11/8/2017 at 11:14 AM, DesMoines said: Yeah good idea ....Recording us...Will not see what it will change....but ok recording us Expand Remember the sweeds DEMAND: "Follow the rules we set you. Don't follow the examples we set" A swedish captains defence "it's an allowed game feature so that's why we use it" Then we see sweeds complaining "your abusing a bug... Stop it or we'll try to get you banned for abusing broken game features...!" Then we see the Swedish nation say "the game allows us to get round a fight by using low br and kite and cap tactics. If the admins didn't like how we act they'd patch it out of game" The admins then patch it out of game!! Then we see the Swedish players complaining about other nations attacking each other... Lol 1
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