Danmark-Norge renouncing saboteurs

[fox2run]

On Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 8:28 AM, Rune said:

what ppl tends to forget is that rdnn and rus and all the others clans we work with are also the ones who defend the nation. i remember when you played fox you where allways complaining about rdnn right up until somebody attacked us. we have always had the nation in mind when we have chosen our targets, when we go Cartagena we would have gotten Important resource, same story with Savannah and when when we had pirates in our waters and no way to stop them because of game mechanics we tried to get Bermuda so danish players could have safe place to do missions.

we have sailed for hours for help our allies so they would come to defend danish waters when we needed it. we are the ones who go to meeting to make diplomatic agreements with the others nation to make sure the there will be danish nation at all. 

before you start whining about rus and rdnn imagine how the danish nation would be with out us, it would most likely be blue    

Admins. Please Kill the whole clan-idea.... Build the game around single players organized in a nation instead.

No customer likes to play a game in such a toxic atmosphere. It's no fun at all.

Kill them. Do it fast. And make the game great again.

[qw569😳]

DNP can convert Fajardo or Coral Bay to Neutral.  And maybe RDNN/RUS wiil pay for convert ports back.

But i don't know is it possible or not

Edited September 15, 2017 by qw569

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, rediii said:

Heretics! All of them! Burn them all!

Stop your bullshit man.

 

From my point of view you guys make DNP ports the safest ports on the whole map right now lol. Guess you want others to take them and then retake them so they are not DNP ports anymore

I cant remember lars crying over losing stuff. Only thing I know him for is being a good pvp player and paying a stupid amount of gold for blueprints when they were rar... and trying pretty long to get one.

 

Lol I made a judgment call regarding the blueprints.. and I do not regret it one second.. Even though the announcement of the wipe came days after achieving the final BP...

[DreamMaker]

I would hate to participate in this conflict, but the circumstances require...

1) RUS are well aware of the current situation.   We are talking, primarily about the PB sabotage! not about the excessive seizure of territories by the DNP!  We should clearly understand this!

2) We fully supporting RDNN clan  in this matter. If someone accuse their in in national treason, Russian squadron dont betray old faithful allies  (Panama keeps memories...)

3) We talking only about RVR movies, The nation should not suffer from this, our priorities in OW not change. Friends will remain friends, even if (in our opinion) they didnt do the right thing.

4) National consilium like a Swedish? We had this never! I think this makes us the strongest nation. Unedited by the council, the nation can quickly make and implement decisions.  100 people cant decide what 3 people can do. 

We consider these actions a compulsory move, I believe that if all try to use the TS  not only as a place to communicate with the clan-mates,  we can find solutions.

 

Sincerely,

Russian United Sailors.

[RasmusEmil]

On 14/9/2017 at 12:42 AM, Anolytic said:

Nice post....... but you boys are about to make it hyarder on yourself, and this only meens that if any of the other clans Cross RDNN they will get a cold shoulder ??? what is the logic in that ? and when are RDNN gonna uphold any of their promisses !!! 

 

[RasmusEmil]

Dreammaker we have 2 ports !!! and have help other clans to flip their ports........ so what the hell is up youre a**!!!!!???? 

 

[RasmusEmil]

And if RDNN and Dreammaker wanna be girls and bagtalk and make up stories then be my geust! 

[DreamMaker]

Someone asks you to abandon the ports? Are u talking with me or with other dreammaker? 

P.S. Try not to offend a person when he sends a message from the clan.  It looks like an insult to the whole clan.

Edited September 15, 2017 by DreamMaker
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[Guest]

20 minutes ago, DreamMaker said:

I would hate to participate in this conflict, but the circumstances require...

1) RUS are well aware of the current situation.   We are talking, primarily about the PB sabotage! not about the excessive seizure of territories by the DNP!  We should clearly understand this! 

2) We fully supporting RDNN clan  in this matter. If someone accuse their in in national treason, Russian squadron dont betray old faithful allies  (Panama keeps memories...)

3) We talking only about RVR movies, The nation should not suffer from this, our priorities in OW not change. Friends will remain friends, even if (in our opinion) they didnt do the right thing.

4) National consilium like a Swedish? We had this never! I think this makes us the strongest nation. Unedited by the council, the nation can quickly make and implement decisions.  100 people cant decide what 3 people can do. 

We consider these actions a compulsory move, I believe that if all try to use the TS  not only as a place to communicate with the clan-mates,  we can find solutions.

 

Sincerely,

Russian United Sailors.

1) We have not "excessively" taken territories. We flipped CB for ourselves. Flipped Fajardo as an agreement with the french.. The only reason it flipped to DNP was because of the many disconnects on day one. In compensation we tried to help ACN get Pasaje instead. RDNN took three and apparently had a problem with ACN taking Pasaje one day earlier so RDNN would have to wait one full day in getting a Road Town.

2) RDNN is traitors to the nation. We (DNP) might have had our differences with RDNN in the past but in general we have never made them public outside DK/NG. To publicly state that DNP ports are up for graps is treason - luckily we do have other clans in Denmark-Norway.

3) RDNN and RUS may only be talking about RvR. We however believe that OW and RvR is intimately tied together.. This is the beauty of the RvR ingame and the reason why some nation has so huge problems when some ports are taken. We will not assist clans in open world that will not assist us in PBs.. This shouldn't not seem strange to anyone.

4) This is not a discussion. This is an announcement.

[Anolytic]

I don't care for this forum PvP, and the OP should stand for itself, but some things should be cleared up. 

Everything is said in the statement in the OP. There is nothing more. We will not join the defence of DNP ports.

After a year of trying to cooperate with DNP we are tired of only getting shit in return and we will not have anything to do with them anymore. We do not care about the ports that they have taken or any ports that they are going to take. If they turn their ports neutral, it won't affect us. If they loose their ports we will help anyone make sure they become Danish again, but we do not want to own them. If DNP owns them or another clan owns them is not up to us, but RDNN does not want them. It is our view that other clans should have all the room that they want to own what ports they wish in Danish home waters. RDNN has no interest in safe ports far behind the frontlines. That is why we took a risk and went for Cartagena when everyone else was doing PvE next to their safezone.

This is the first time that we respond to DNP after taking their abuse for a year without retaliation. 

RDNN is a clan whose purpose revolves around RvR. RDNN has always, since its creation, been there to protect Danish territories. When there is a port battle, RDNN has shown up wether it was convenient for us or not. When DNP was doing PvE at the capital, RDNN defended Danish ports. When DNP was seal-clubbing at capitals, RDNN was defending Danish ports. When DNP was taking a break from the game, RDNN was defending Danish ports. When the alliance system was in place, we sailed around the whole map and helped defend our allies, so that our allies would help defend us. 

DNP has always taken the defence of Danish ports for granted, only demanding a spot in port battle fleets when it suited them. RDNN has obliged and given away our own spots to DNP-players to let them take part. 

RDNN has never disparaged DNP for their playstyle. If they want to gank at other capitals or revenge gank at ours, we are fine with it. If they want to sail around Christiansted or trade or raid or whatever, we are fine with it. We would have appreciated the same courtesy in return. Instead we have been constantly disparaged in nation chat, in the forum, and on Teamspeak by DNP for playing the way that we like. For seeking 25v25 RvR fights rather than open world ganks. For sailing at the frontlines where it is risky rather than around the capital where it is safe.

If DNP wants a home defence fleet or trader escorts, they should organise it. It is not the duty of RDNN to handhold other players or other clans. We respect other clan's preferences for how they wish to play the game, and all that we ask for is that other clans respect that we spend the time we play this game the way that we like.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Anolytic said:

I don't care for this forum PvP, and the OP should stand for itself, but some things should be cleared up. 

Everything is said in the statement in the OP. There is nothing more. We will not join the defence of DNP ports.

After a year of trying to cooperate with DNP we are tired of only getting shit in return and we will not have anything to do with them anymore. We do not care about the ports that they have taken or any ports that they are going to take. If they turn their ports neutral, it won't affect us. If they loose their ports we will help anyone make sure they become Danish again, but we do not want to own them. If DNP owns them or another clan owns them is not up to us, but RDNN does not want them. It is our view that other clans should have all the room that they want to own what ports they wish in Danish home waters. RDNN has no interest in safe ports far behind the frontlines. That is why we took a risk and went for Cartagena when everyone else was doing PvE next to their safezone.

This is the first time that we respond to DNP after taking their abuse for a year without retaliation. 

RDNN is a clan whose purpose revolves around RvR. RDNN has always, since its creation, been there to protect Danish territories. When there is a port battle, RDNN has shown up wether it was convenient for us or not. When DNP was doing PvE at the capital, RDNN defended Danish ports. When DNP was seal-clubbing at capitals, RDNN was defending Danish ports. When DNP was taking a break from the game, RDNN was defending Danish ports. When the alliance system was in place, we sailed around the whole map and helped defend our allies, so that our allies would help defend us. 

DNP has always taken the defence of Danish ports for granted, only demanding a spot in port battle fleets when it suited them. RDNN has obliged and given away our own spots to DNP-players to let them take part. 

RDNN has never disparaged DNP for their playstyle. If they want to gank at other capitals or revenge gank at ours, we are fine with it. If they want to sail around Christiansted or trade or raid or whatever, we are fine with it. We would have appreciated the same courtesy in return. Instead we have been constantly disparaged in nation chat, in the forum, and on Teamspeak by DNP for playing the way that we like. For seeking 25v25 RvR fights rather than open world ganks. For sailing at the frontlines where it is risky rather than around the capital where it is safe.

If DNP wants a home defence fleet or trader escorts, they should organise it. It is not the duty of RDNN to handhold other players or other clans. We respect other clan's preferences for how they wish to play the game, and all that we ask for is that other clans respect that we spend the time we play this game the way that we like.

Anolytic - We were blamed for flipping Wilmington originally. Why? - We weren't there for the flip and we most certainly did not agree with breaking the christmas truce - something I made abundantly clear in the TS. I didn't even have a problem with you guys doing it - we just don't like our name sullied because of your poor judgment. Who can make deals with someone who are always looking for a way out of them?

We have at no time blamed RDNN for seeking PBs - even offered to help in them. We didn't agree with the priorities when Savannah and Santo Domingo were flipped - we wanted a focused defence but we didn't insist on it. That poor judgment resulted in both ports being lost.

To my knowledge we have at no time abused RDNN in chat. I think we even made fun of the OP (nicely done btw). We don't care how RDNN plays the game and as such would appreciate RDNN keeping out of the way we do things. If RDNN wants to flip a port - by all means flip it. But don't use clanless alts to take some hostility points away from our missions just because you don't have the players to flip a port before we do. And don't - ever - tell me what to do in TS or otherwise.

DNP doesn't want trader escorts - as has been abundantly clear the past two days we can take care of our own. It does strike me as strange that RDNNs players whine in chat when losing a ship and asks why we won't protect them though..

[qw569😳]

1 hour ago, Peter Goldman said:

But DNP doesn't want to give their ports, why would they?

I suppose owner can change port to neutral. He stay owner but port is neutral.

And open windows to center danish empire
If danish ruler don't want to pay

Edited September 15, 2017 by qw569

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, qw569 said:

I suppose owner can change port to neutral. He stay owner but port is neutral.

And open windows to center danish empire
If danish ruler don't want to pay

lol we will not interfere if anyone tags RDNN players in danish waters. We will not however facilitate it.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Graf Bernadotte said:

How many RDNN traders did you rescue so far? Will we notice any difference now?

lol prob not

 

[Suppenkelle]

3 hours ago, Graf Bernadotte said:

Being smarter than others in a certain matter sounds always arrogant.

Common sense is the most fairly distributed thing in the world, for each one thinks he is so well-endowed with it that even those who are hardest to satisfy in all other matters are not in the habit of desiring more of it than they already have. Rene Descartes

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Graf Bernadotte said:

High competition between Danish clans has also it's good side. Danemark-Norge turned from the beginning into a tax haven, since Danish clans not only fight  with words in the forum, but also with deep taxes in their ports.

I pity Swedish, British, Spanish, American and Pirate business people, which are sucked dry by their greedy clans. In those countries a captains most noble duty is not to sail the ocean but to serve as a tax slave financing the allures of his masters.  

Endure! Danemark-Norge will fight them for your liberation.

lol I concede to the point and will put every brit to the sword in the name of his own liberty

 

[McKnight]

On 15/9/2017 at 2:43 PM, DreamMaker said:

I would hate to participate in this conflict, but the circumstances require...

1) RUS are well aware of the current situation.   We are talking, primarily about the PB sabotage! not about the excessive seizure of territories by the DNP!  We should clearly understand this!

2) We fully supporting RDNN clan  in this matter. If someone accuse their in in national treason, Russian squadron dont betray old faithful allies  (Panama keeps memories...)

3) We talking only about RVR movies, The nation should not suffer from this, our priorities in OW not change. Friends will remain friends, even if (in our opinion) they didnt do the right thing.

4) National consilium like a Swedish? We had this never! I think this makes us the strongest nation. Unedited by the council, the nation can quickly make and implement decisions.  100 people cant decide what 3 people can do. 

We consider these actions a compulsory move, I believe that if all try to use the TS  not only as a place to communicate with the clan-mates,  we can find solutions.

 

Sincerely,

Russian United Sailors.

Dear DreamMaker. 

Thank you for your reply. I have respect for the loyalty towards a friend whom you share a lot of history with. That shows a good character in my mind.

But as you also state; this is one single incident that we are talking about - the so called "PB Sabotage". I think the punishment against DNP is way too far- especial when it is announced as eternal. Remember that we just tried to keep a promise to another Danish clan and did not know about other agreements made. 

[McKnight]

On 15/9/2017 at 3:27 PM, Anolytic said:

I don't care for this forum PvP, and the OP should stand for itself, but some things should be cleared up. 

Everything is said in the statement in the OP. There is nothing more. We will not join the defence of DNP ports.

After a year of trying to cooperate with DNP we are tired of only getting shit in return and we will not have anything to do with them anymore. We do not care about the ports that they have taken or any ports that they are going to take. If they turn their ports neutral, it won't affect us. If they loose their ports we will help anyone make sure they become Danish again, but we do not want to own them. If DNP owns them or another clan owns them is not up to us, but RDNN does not want them. It is our view that other clans should have all the room that they want to own what ports they wish in Danish home waters. RDNN has no interest in safe ports far behind the frontlines. That is why we took a risk and went for Cartagena when everyone else was doing PvE next to their safezone.

This is the first time that we respond to DNP after taking their abuse for a year without retaliation. 

RDNN is a clan whose purpose revolves around RvR. RDNN has always, since its creation, been there to protect Danish territories. When there is a port battle, RDNN has shown up wether it was convenient for us or not. When DNP was doing PvE at the capital, RDNN defended Danish ports. When DNP was seal-clubbing at capitals, RDNN was defending Danish ports. When DNP was taking a break from the game, RDNN was defending Danish ports. When the alliance system was in place, we sailed around the whole map and helped defend our allies, so that our allies would help defend us. 

DNP has always taken the defence of Danish ports for granted, only demanding a spot in port battle fleets when it suited them. RDNN has obliged and given away our own spots to DNP-players to let them take part. 

RDNN has never disparaged DNP for their playstyle. If they want to gank at other capitals or revenge gank at ours, we are fine with it. If they want to sail around Christiansted or trade or raid or whatever, we are fine with it. We would have appreciated the same courtesy in return. Instead we have been constantly disparaged in nation chat, in the forum, and on Teamspeak by DNP for playing the way that we like. For seeking 25v25 RvR fights rather than open world ganks. For sailing at the frontlines where it is risky rather than around the capital where it is safe.

If DNP wants a home defence fleet or trader escorts, they should organise it. It is not the duty of RDNN to handhold other players or other clans. We respect other clan's preferences for how they wish to play the game, and all that we ask for is that other clans respect that we spend the time we play this game the way that we like.

Dear Anolytic

It is fair that you do not like us but please stop this smear campaign you guys are doing and stop telling straight up lies about what we have done (and not done). 

Your characteristic of DNP clearly reflects your aversion towards us. Please give us a little more credit for all the work we've done with you earlier. During the night-flips DNP always showed up in the middle of the night to defend ports all over the Caribbean. But not only at the night-flips we both helped attack and defend in places like Savannah, Islamorada, Remedios, La Bahia, Soto La Marina etc. So please stop to discredit us the way RDNN are doing these days. In most of the Port Battles where we helped our allies DNP players was the only Danish players besides Tiedemann.

Please take a talk with Tiedemann who can testify that we have done a lot to help when RDNN called for our help and let us stop this silly feud and just agree that we in some matters just are very far apart from each other.

[Corona Lisa]

On 15.9.2017 at 5:34 PM, Graf Bernadotte said:

Being smarter than others in a certain matter sounds always arrogant.

[McKnight]

55 minutes ago, Graf Bernadotte said:

Tiedemann is Norwegian

 

Yeah I know - I still like him though 

[Kloothommel]

1 hour ago, Graf Bernadotte said:

Danemark-Norge is the only nation which managed to loose a Portbattle against an AI fleet.

Thank you DNP. 

Did they really lose?

[McKnight]

Just now, Cornelis Tromp said:

Did they really lose?

No - we just didn't show up  In our attempt to help another clan flip the port we for some odd reason got it. So we promised not to take it today. All in all just us keeping our promises

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Graf Bernadotte said:

That's the Danish democracy, you were asking for. You offered the nation to participate in taking Bahia Escocesa and nobody showed up. DNP's ideas got deselected.

When did we offer that? Graf.. I think you're kinda off your meds..

[monk33y]

Just now, Graf Bernadotte said:

Danemark-Norge is the only nation which managed to loose a Portbattle against an AI fleet.

Thank you DNP. 

Didn't a small gb clan not loose against 6 AI with ten ships at Cayman?!? 

[Samuel Smith]

On 14.9.2017 at 12:42 AM, Anolytic said:

so anolytic you are the new Herminator? dont you remember what happened last time when rdnn tried to force their will uppon other people?