Server merge

[Rebrall]

Ok I want to know the general feeling of the entire community do we need a server merge,

 

my personal opinion at this stage is we don't have much choice there isn't a big enough population to have 2 pvp servers 

 

now i know there is a lot of back & forth on this, all I ask is if you are for it offer suggestions on how it could work and if you are against give valid arguments as to why you are but I know seemingly impossible can we try be constructive not destructive for a change 

 

my suggestion as I am for it at the present point is that we need for RvR to be able to set ports we own up so they can only be under contention in the tz that that clan is playing (obviously falling into line with the future changes), so maybe have a set period of times available for us to choose from, also something to consider is not everyone is into RvR so the merge could offer more OW pvp also make trading a lot more functional all my opinion 

 

If we ever get a reasonable amount of players who play across a few time zones I'm talking atleast 1-2000 players per time zone then I'm all for multiple servers 

Edited August 28, 2017 by Rebrall

[Koltes]

Mate, I would be for all merges of dead servers to bring players together, but unfortunately I have so huge lag spites its not not playable for New Zealand and some parts of Aussie. My lag is not great on Global, but playable. On EU I often fire on stern rake and my first fire breaks off when half of my ship have already passed his stern.
My ping is 350 at best with up to 600 spikes which renders the game unplayable. They can go ahead and merge, but a very good portion of Aussie / NZ wont be able to play.
Also if the lag is huge I can't play competitively. If I can't play competitively I wont play.
Also in my timezone EU have what 100 people at most right now? That's jumping from one dead horse onto another. The game needs to be fixed and then we will get players. Simple as that

[Jean Ribault]

Honest constructive criticism:

Posting a survey here is not a fair assessment.  Needs to be surveyed in-game, where all active players will have a say.

Against, however, and I have decent ping on all servers.  Voted as such.

Edited August 28, 2017 by Jean Ribault

[Sir Lancelot Holland]

I fully recognise the value of a single server, I watched the arguments for and against develop, then descend into a total lack of willingness to compromise.  There is no point in assigning blame, I am not suggesting anyone is assigning blame, but that would very likely happen,  both sides of the issue are deeply entrenched in their positions.

I also recognise that everyone who pays to buy this game has right of access to all content available at a time that suits them and it is difficult to organise when there players who are sleeping/working/ have other commitments when a PB is scheduled on a world wide basis, even on the EU server they had to severely curtail PB schedules because of arguments over lunch and work schedules, for me it prompts the question: How do other online games deal with this issue?

The only real compromise is holding PB's when time zones overlap and enough players from both zones are online at the same time, that is a very narrow window of opportunity and I suspect the moment any PB fell outside of that window the same old arguments would reignite.

We should, I think, be looking at what is the greater good for the players of the game on release, we are temporary custodians of the game until release, what they get tomorrow depends on what we do today and we should make Naval Action the best it can be for all players where ever they are. 

 

[Rebrall]

Thank you and I feel your pain @koltesvia the ping issue I really do, @Jean RibaultI agree but unfortunately as sad as it is this forum has more active members then there are players of the actual game but I do agree with you, right now I just want to see the game improve as it's a really cool game it's ruined by some average mechanics but I see they are looking at doing better which is a plus at least I as just curious on what one server with closer to 1500 players over 2 servers that start with 1000 and 400 respectively but that would mean finding some middle ground with the ping issue, but you right no matter what someone will always suffer 

[Captain Dug]

No because euro ping no bueno

[Teutonic]

Yes to merge.

[Macjimm]

Some players will quit if we make them do this.

Making everyone merge into one server to allow the option for Global players to transfer their assets is not worth forcing this issue down everyone's throat.

It will only add 50-100 players to PVP Euro anyway.  Simply not enough to make much difference.

 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Rebrall said:

Ok I want to know the general feeling of the entire community do we need a server merge,

 

my personal opinion at this stage is we don't have much choice there isn't a big enough population to have 2 pvp servers 

 

now i know there is a lot of back & forth on this, all I ask is if you are for it offer suggestions on how it could work and if you are against give valid arguments as to why you are but I know seemingly impossible can we try be constructive not destructive for a change 

 

my suggestion as I am for it at the present point is that we need for RvR to be able to set ports we own up so they can only be under contention in the tz that that clan is playing (obviously falling into line with the future changes), so maybe have a set period of times available for us to choose from, also something to consider is not everyone is into RvR so the merge could offer more OW pvp also make trading a lot more functional all my opinion 

 

If we ever get a reasonable amount of players who play across a few time zones I'm talking atleast 1-2000 players per time zone then I'm all for multiple servers 

And just what do you expect a forum poll will show? - The players has already voted with their feet and they downvoted the idea of a global server. This is at best a less than worthwhile discussion that we have had so many times that it defies reason why we should have it again or at it's worst - a deliberate attempt to waste everyones time. The experience from pre-wipe is very clear - #NOMORENIGHTFLIPS! And most of those I've played with, talked to and fought both against and with will simply stop playing if the servers are merged i.e. create one big dead server rather than one dead (global) server and one that is actually viable to play at a certain hourly interval (strangely enough in the EU timezones).

 

#NOMORENIGHTFLIPS!!

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Sir Lancelot Holland said:

 

I also recognise that everyone who pays to buy this game has right of access to all content available at a time that suits them and it is difficult to organise when there players who are sleeping/working/ have other commitments when a PB is scheduled on a world wide basis, even on the EU server they had to severely curtail PB schedules because of arguments over lunch and work schedules, for me it prompts the question: How do other online games deal with this issue? 1)

The only real compromise is holding PB's when time zones overlap and enough players from both zones are online at the same time, that is a very narrow window of opportunity and I suspect the moment any PB fell outside of that window the same old arguments would reignite. 2)

 

1) Not many games has the issue since not many games build upon actual nations with both history, culture and linguistic ties to peoples affiliations. This is rather unique for NA and a few select games. This fact is aggravated by the fact that RvR actually has a huge impact on crafting, econ and OP access (i.e. access to the enemy).

2) This has been discussed at lenght in different forms pre-wipe and there is no overlap. Just look at the online numbers for the EU server. They get a sharp decline at the same time every single night and this will not change. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, koltes said:

Also in my timezone EU have what 100 people at most right now? That's jumping from one dead horse onto another. The game needs to be fixed and then we will get players. Simple as that

Agreed. And if I may add - it is not a fix to put down both dogs.

[Rebrall]

1 minute ago, Bearwall said:

And just what do you expect a forum poll will show? - The players has already voted with their feet and they downvoted the idea of a global server. This is at best a less than worthwhile discussion that we have had so many times that it defies reason why we should have it again or at it's worst - a deliberate attempt to waste everyones time. The experience from pre-wipe is very clear - #NOMORENIGHTFLIPS! And most of those I've played with, talked to and fought both against and with will simply stop playing if the servers are merged i.e. create one big dead server rather than one dead (global) server and one that is actually viable to play at a certain hourly interval (strangely enough in the EU timezones).

 

#NOMORENIGHTFLIPS!!

Firstly I asked the question and you took the time to answer so it is you that wasted your time, secondly get of the no more night flips train I don't agree with night flips either so there should be a work around for it or away to address that issue it's also worth pointing out here that the oceanic time zone would create competitive fights for you as we are around 9-12 hours a head so we can play with the players who work night shifts in ye or play in the morning so there is no way we could night flip you the US based players could but if done properly it would cause the to fight almsot constantly, and thirdly the EU server is as dead as global in fact you have lost more players then we have, as I stated happy for you to put an argument forward but maybe look at it from another perspective 

[Guest]

Just now, Rebrall said:

Firstly I asked the question and you took the time to answer so it is you that wasted your time, secondly get of the no more night flips train I don't agree with night flips either so there should be a work around for it or away to address that issue it's also worth pointing out here that the oceanic time zone would create competitive fights for you as we are around 9-12 hours a head so we can play with the players who work night shifts in ye or play in the morning so there is no way we could night flip you the US based players could but if done properly it would cause the to fight almsot constantly, and thirdly the EU server is as dead as global in fact you have lost more players then we have, as I stated happy for you to put an argument forward but maybe look at it from another perspective 

#NOMORENIGHTFLIPS!

[Koltes]

11 minutes ago, Rebrall said:

Firstly I asked the question and you took the time to answer so it is you that wasted your time, secondly get of the no more night flips train I don't agree with night flips either so there should be a work around for it or away to address that issue it's also worth pointing out here that the oceanic time zone would create competitive fights for you as we are around 9-12 hours a head so we can play with the players who work night shifts in ye or play in the morning so there is no way we could night flip you the US based players could but if done properly it would cause the to fight almsot constantly, and thirdly the EU server is as dead as global in fact you have lost more players then we have, as I stated happy for you to put an argument forward but maybe look at it from another perspective 

 

10 minutes ago, Bearwall said:

#NOMORENIGHTFLIPS!

Common guys, none is wrong or right here. It started with a mutual respect. Lets continue in the same manner. This question is as good to discuss as all others. What else is there left to do?  

[Rebrall]

30 minutes ago, Macjimm said:

Some players will quit if we make them do this.

Making everyone merge into one server to allow the option for Global players to transfer their assets is not worth forcing this issue down everyone's throat.

It will only add 50-100 players to PVP Euro anyway.  Simply not enough to make much difference.

 

I'm more curious as to why people will quit if there is a merge with correct mechanic's that stopped every one attacking players in there off time especially with it becoming clan based, I personally would love 3 servers oceanic EU & US would make my game time awesome with better ping but there is not enough players for that unfortunately, I realize there was issues before hand with the night flips which @Bearwall loves jaming down my throat every 10 seconds, and the merge is would hinder a lot of the oceanic players myself included in that but both servers are dieing and the current game has done a lot of damage to the player base and it's only in alpha things can and will change a lot 

Edited August 29, 2017 by Rebrall

[Rebrall]

8 minutes ago, koltes said:

 

Common guys, none is wrong or right here. It started with a mutual respect. Lets continue in the same manner. This question is as good to discuss as all others. What else is there left to do?  

I fully understand we're he comes from to be honest you're clan has done it to mine regularly not intentionally btw so I hold no grudge at all it's part of the game in my eyes, that's the Beauty of playing a game with the rest of the world, and id love for him to give an idea what he would say was fair if we had only one server other than quit the game, so what would his idea as a fair option if only global existed? If that makes sense 

[Koltes]

2 hours ago, Rebrall said:

I fully understand we're he comes from to be honest you're clan has done it to mine regularly not intentionally btw so I hold no grudge at all it's part of the game in my eyes, that's the Beauty of playing a game with the rest of the world, and id love for him to give an idea what he would say was fair if we had only one server other than quit the game, so what would his idea as a fair option if only global existed? If that makes sense 

Indeed

[Skully]

5 hours ago, koltes said:

huge lag spites

Slightly off-topic, this is also a reason not to have different rule servers, say hardcore vs care-bear. 

In that sense I'm in favor of rule merge, but not server merge.

[Rebrall]

8 minutes ago, Skully said:

Slightly off-topic, this is also a reason not to have different rule servers, say hardcore vs care-bear. 

In that sense I'm in favor of rule merge, but not server merge.

interesting point how would you it implemented?

 

[BallsOfSteel]

No point in playing on a server with restricted times useless to everyone outside europe. fix the problem and the players will return.

[Skully]

14 minutes ago, Rebrall said:

interesting point how would you it implemented?

3 minutes ago, BallsOfSteel said:

No point in playing on a server with restricted times useless to everyone outside europe. fix the problem and the players will return.

 

[victor]

Problem is not the merge itself (at least for PVP EU players): problem are the rules about the time window for Port battles.

So the poll - as it is now - it is almost useless.

If a merge implies a change in the PB time (I.e. allows nighflips) it is clear that PVP EU population will vote in mass "NO" and PVP Global population will vote in mass (well, "mass" maybe is not the correct word) "YES"

If a merge does not imply a change in the PB time it is clear that PVP Global population will vote in mass "NO" and PVP EU will shroud his shoulder and say "That's Ok".

It's a deadlock, unfortunately.

[Rebrall]

14 minutes ago, victor said:

Problem is not the merge itself (at least for PVP EU players): problem are the rules about the time window for Port battles.

So the poll - as it is now - it is almost useless.

If a merge implies a change in the PB time (I.e. allows nighflips) it is clear that PVP EU population will vote in mass "NO" and PVP Global population will vote in mass (well, "mass" maybe is not the correct word) "YES"

If a merge does not imply a change in the PB time it is clear that PVP Global population will vote in mass "NO" and PVP EU will shroud his shoulder and say "That's Ok".

It's a deadlock, unfortunately.

fair, i was more trying to get into the conversation of how could work as one server but most people just give one liners here instead of possible options, there has been some good feedback here from multiple players im just concerned that global and EU has lost a lot of players and the games health as an Alpha is not looking good, but as many have said that if they mechanics are improved it will draw players back but the advertising needs to be improved also

[Kloothommel]

No.

[Rebrall]

2 minutes ago, rediii said:

No.

EU server increased gameplay a lot for me compared to before. Give players a choice instead of forcing players to join a server with which form of rvr they dont aggree with.

thank you, I'm not trying to force people to play with mechanics that don't suit them but was curious is there away you could see it work if there was only one server? i only asked this question cause there seemed a lot of people calling for it just wanted the general feeling for it and ask people if it was to happen is there away it could work to make everyone happy?