I'm done

[Prater]

Earlier the Spanish were upset about Sant Iago.  But those examples aren't pvp or action.  Got it.

[Mrdoomed]

3 hours ago, Fargo said:

Gustavia market PvP EU, 5 Belle Poules, 200k-390k. When you cant afford this youre doin something wrong. You can sell upgrades or skillbooks for more. One lucky drop and you can afford a new ship. Just your labour provides ~100k each day and more when you use it smart. Invest in something profitable before you buy an expensive ship or more dockspace, and money goes to money. PvP isnt profitable atm, but thats not killing the game, its a temporary balancing issue. 

Learn the game and stop whining. If you got problems, people are very helpful in this game. Posts like this are not helpful. After you tried different stuff, talked with other guys and informed yourself, then you can come here and post what exactly you tried, and why it didnt work for you. 

When youre still pissed that this game is going to be what it was supposed to be, a slow paced sandbox style game, just keep out of it. The amount of mindless BS in most topics became annoying. No matter what happens, there are "this kills the game" and "game is dead" voices, nobody is going to listen anymore.

Sandbox?  Lmao bro. Learn what that means lol...sandbox hhahahahahahahahahaha

[EL LOCO]

My peeve is that Clan BS.   Before wipe.  I was most likely the richest player around and building and selling 1st rates daily.  Now. I can't get even an argamemon as I don't have conquest marks and cannot get them ..  I don't do missions as I find them horrible, and boring.  I am stuck.  I don't like clans and team speak.  Never did and never will.  

Playing Spain is now next to impossible as there is a 20 to 1 ratio in almost every battle or gank.    

I sold all my materials, 120 crooked cedar, refits....sold all my ships for 1 gold except my last ship. closed 8 outposts, deleted shipyard.    I cant do this game anymore til they listen to us Solo players.   Just cant get myself to delete character just yet as I have too much wasted time in it.

watched the port battle video today and saw all 1st rates.   All one clans.   BS.     I have well over 4000 hours in this game and I am about to write the most negative review though that may kill the game more so...wont.  But the DEVs better change this game quick.  

[surfimp]

I play solo. I don't have any conquest marks and almost certainly never will. Just passed $1,000,000 earned entirely from solo piracy in the last few days (since I began keeping count). Had a prize worth 225k just this morning... Why craft ships when you can just take them? Why grind missions when you can sell booty? 

Solo play is as good or better than it's ever been right now, imo. I created the clan tag SOLO for the purpose of advertising same.

Edited July 10, 2017 by Benedict Ahhnold

[Sea Fox]

2 hours ago, EL LOCO said:

My peeve is that Clan BS.   Before wipe.  I was most likely the richest player around and building and selling 1st rates daily.  Now. I can't get even an argamemon as I don't have conquest marks and cannot get them ..  I don't do missions as I find them horrible, and boring.  I am stuck.  I don't like clans and team speak.  Never did and never will.  

Playing Spain is now next to impossible as there is a 20 to 1 ratio in almost every battle or gank.    

I sold all my materials, 120 crooked cedar, refits....sold all my ships for 1 gold except my last ship. closed 8 outposts, deleted shipyard.    I cant do this game anymore til they listen to us Solo players.   Just cant get myself to delete character just yet as I have too much wasted time in it.

watched the port battle video today and saw all 1st rates.   All one clans.   BS.     I have well over 4000 hours in this game and I am about to write the most negative review though that may kill the game more so...wont.  But the DEVs better change this game quick.  

Agree 100%! There is NO hope for solo players now....i play at least 2/3 less than I did pre-wipe. You can't make the money necessary to craft a decent ship not to mention being locked out of certain ships due to conquest mark BS. Being level 50 crafter means nothing anymore. Free ports are awful now (why even have them in the game anymore?) No exploration needed for me in US because Ays is as far South as I can outpost. It's terrible now and really wish they would listen to the solo's. 

[Prater]

Any ship you need conquest marks for you shouldn't be sailing solo.  If you do, you are asking for it to be taken from you.

[Sea Fox]

16 hours ago, Prater said:

Any ship you need conquest marks for you shouldn't be sailing solo.  If you do, you are asking for it to be taken from you.

I understand if a tester you have to defend the game even when it is indefensible. But before the wipe I had a Bermuda Cedar Constitution vet fared pretty decent in hunting traders and escaping warships. Also a good solidly-built Constitution is fantastic for making money in Missions. For anyone who is a Crafter and tries to make money selling ships the big ships are great source of income.The  indefensible part of your statement is that people like me and others don't "deserve"  these ships or shouldn't be sailing them. No. Crafters should not be locked out of any ships! And it is wrongheaded to think otherwise and it is a bad decision to take a third or more of your players and locked them out of certain ships.

[Prater]

Constitution doesn't require conquest marks.  3rds and above do.

[Hodo]

Again most of the issues I am seeing with people in this thread, is they are used to sailing around in MASSIVE uncommon ships of the time.  And cant figure out how to downsize to more reasonable ship sizes.

Most common ships of the pre-wipe (10.0) was 4th rate hunting ships and 1st rate fighting ships.   Most trade ships were either LGVs or Indiamen, 5th and 4th rates respectively. 

Now that you have to have teamwork to build these MASSIVE SoLs, which require a lot of effort, but are not impossible to get.  I know me personally who is pretty haphazard with my income in game have managed to save up 500k and I dont even try to grind money.   I havent concentrated on trying to cap traders lately, havent even cared.  Been mostly helping with the war effort by being a team player.  

I have always been a very independent player in every game I play, from EvE online, to Mortal Online and even in Wurm Online.   Hell I spent a year in Wurm online grinding a character up to build a ship, once I was done I quit the game, and left the ship.  

[Sea Fox]

6 hours ago, Prater said:

Constitution doesn't require conquest marks.  3rds and above do.

Right but you didn't address the Third Rate and above crafting and selling. Even though I don't do Port battles I would definitely craft a victory and contribute to someone to fight in the port battle and would definitely be there in a Bellona for screening which used to be one of my favorite things to do. But now bellona's are impossible for me to get. And in reference for your earlier comment that anyone selling a solo third writer above is asking for his ship to be taken, how would one unlock that by grinding missions? You have to have someone with you grinding missions every time all six hundred missions?

Edited July 11, 2017 by Sea Fox

[Prater]

They aren't impossible, buy one.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=328704

[Cimbi]

16 hours ago, Hodo said:

Again most of the issues I am seeing with people in this thread, is they are used to sailing around in MASSIVE uncommon ships of the time.  And cant figure out how to downsize to more reasonable ship sizes.

Most common ships of the pre-wipe (10.0) was 4th rate hunting ships and 1st rate fighting ships.   Most trade ships were either LGVs or Indiamen, 5th and 4th rates respectively. 

Now that you have to have teamwork to build these MASSIVE SoLs, which require a lot of effort, but are not impossible to get.  I know me personally who is pretty haphazard with my income in game have managed to save up 500k and I dont even try to grind money.   I havent concentrated on trying to cap traders lately, havent even cared.  Been mostly helping with the war effort by being a team player.  

I have always been a very independent player in every game I play, from EvE online, to Mortal Online and even in Wurm Online.   Hell I spent a year in Wurm online grinding a character up to build a ship, once I was done I quit the game, and left the ship.  

I disagree

They are complaining because devs put a lot of restriction and grind in the game.Also given more advantages for alts and lifeless, jobless i..iots in mommy's basement.Sooner or later they will split up this player base two kinds of player one of them have cm other ones doesn't have conquest mark.When the first group will enjoy and reach every part of this game the second group will assist them. But I can bring into doubt ship knowledge, expand docks, new repair system.

So when you say these players just can't figure out how to downsize to a more reasonable size of ship I think you just debasement their problems.

[Hodo]

6 minutes ago, Cimbi said:

I disagree

They are complaining because devs put a lot of restriction and grind in the game.Also given more advantages for alts and lifeless, jobless i..iots in mommy's basement.Sooner or later they will split up this player base two kinds of player one of them have cm other ones doesn't have conquest mark.When the first group will enjoy and reach every part of this game the second group will assist them. But I can bring into doubt ship knowledge, expand docks, new repair system.

So when you say these players just can't figure out how to downsize to a more reasonable size of ship I think you just debasement their problems.

Every sandbox game you run into will be like this.  Every REAL sandbox game that is.  

These games require time, he who has the most time will be king.   

Even in EvE, you cant get involved in station and null sec capturing and most of the corporate warfare mechanics without a great deal of time.  Hell flying the biggest ships in that game, titans require MASSIVE amount of effort to build and get, not something you can do in a year of playing without throwing a few thousand dollars at the game.  

[fox2run]

Omg Hodo. Are you bored in real life? A pc game has to be fun. Not a grind or a second job. 

In january 2016 this game was addictive, fun and had 2000 online because it was just that.

Now it's boring and even hard cores uninstall it.

[Prater]

17 minutes ago, fox2run said:

Omg Hodo. Are you bored in real life? A pc game has to be fun. Not a grind or a second job. 

In january 2016 this game was addictive, fun and had 2000 online because it was just that.

Now it's boring and even hard cores uninstall it.

Between 3 servers, there are easily 1100 people on during the weekend considering EU had 850-900 this last weekend.  The last there were 2000 online was when the game first came out and was in the top seller category on Steam.  People move on.  This is a niche market.  And the game is 1000x better now than it was in January 2016. There are two primary complaints, revenge fleets and grind. If the devs fix revenge fleets, things will be even better and I know a lot of people who will come back, primarily the pvpers who quit because of revenge fleets.  

Edited July 11, 2017 by Prater

[Ser_Slack]

7 minutes ago, Prater said:

Between 3 servers, there are easily 1100 people on during the weekend.  The last there were 2000 online was when the game first came out and was in the top seller category.  People move on.  This is a niche market.  And the game is 1000x better now than it was in January 2016.

That's just, like, your opinion man.  If they had a good mix between Jan '16 and now I'd be playing. The elimination of flags for hostility took a huge chunk of ow pvp away. Enormous. If I look back and see where I pretty much cut way back on playtime it was with the introduction of the hostility mechanic. I don't know - maybe current people playing the game like the  rvr mechanics - I personally despise it and I was primarily a rvr player.

[Hodo]

26 minutes ago, fox2run said:

Omg Hodo. Are you bored in real life? A pc game has to be fun. Not a grind or a second job. 

In january 2016 this game was addictive, fun and had 2000 online because it was just that.

Now it's boring and even hard cores uninstall it.

Here is a fact I learned a LONG time ago.

Everyones definition of fun is different. 

I enjoy realism in my games, cant stand arcade shooters, or MOBAs and themeparks.

I also enjoy putting on 35-50lbs of medieval armor and hitting my friends with sticks as we fight and train.

 

Others enjoy going to the gym and lifting weights for hours.

Others enjoy sitting on the couch and watching every sporting event known to man.

Others still are into doing as little as possible all the time.

 

So everyone has a different idea of fun.

[Macjimm]

"I like this because it is fun."  Sounds like a very young child talking.

I discovered a long time ago that declaring a game should be fun is a cop out.  Bully's often say they are just having a little "fun" when they hassle people.  If people do not get their own way they say that the other person is no fun.  Using the term "fun" is next to meaningless.

Try describing what you like without using words like "fun" or "good" or "boring".  It will be easier to understand what you mean.

[Cimbi]

38 minutes ago, Hodo said:

Every sandbox game you run into will be like this.  Every REAL sandbox game that is.  

These games require time, he who has the most time will be king.   

Even in EvE, you cant get involved in station and null sec capturing and most of the corporate warfare mechanics without a great deal of time.  Hell flying the biggest ships in that game, titans require MASSIVE amount of effort to build and get, not something you can do in a year of playing without throwing a few thousand dollars at the game.  

It was not like this in Naval Action.You were able to level up with PVP and it was fun.PVP was skill based now its XP based, grind based rubbish.Combat system never ever was so arcade than now.(unlimited repair, unlimited crew, unlimited mast) They closed the door front of lot of players they can't reach end content. Meanwhile, Guys is shouting from mommy's basement.It's hardcore!It's realistic!EvE online!When it's just time wasting arcade sailing game.Peoples who're playing from the beginning leaving: PVP players like PODWs leaving.

So I'm sorry I don't think it's a good way I don't say, Kanan, what was before wipe it was perfect but this is.....

 

[Vllad]

1 hour ago, fox2run said:

A pc game has to be fun. Not a grind or a second job. 

In january 2016 this game was addictive, fun and had 2000 online because it was just that.

Now it's boring and even hard cores uninstall it.

Name a MMO that couldn't be a grind or second job? They are all designed that way in one form or another.

All games come to an end. Very few people play a game forever. Maybe you are just tired of NA?

For me personally the game has never been better. The game is 100% better than it was in Feb of 2016.

[Lordicious]

17 minutes ago, Vllad said:

Name a MMO that couldn't be a grind or second job? They are all designed that way in one form or another.

All games come to an end. Very few people play a game forever. Maybe you are just tired of NA?

For me personally the game has never been better. The game is 100% better than it was in Feb of 2016.

This game is not even released and people already leaving it. Don't compare released MMOs with 2-3 years of life. This project is a bust. 

Edited July 11, 2017 by Lordicious

[Hodo]

20 minutes ago, Cimbi said:

It was not like this in Naval Action.You were able to level up with PVP and it was fun.PVP was skill based now its XP based, grind based rubbish.Combat system never ever was so arcade than now.(unlimited repair, unlimited crew, unlimited mast) They closed the door front of lot of players they can't reach end content. Meanwhile, Guys is shouting from mommy's basement.It's hardcore!It's realistic!EvE online!When it's just time wasting arcade sailing game.Peoples who're playing from the beginning leaving: PVP players like PODWs leaving.

So I'm sorry I don't think it's a good way I don't say, Kanan, what was before wipe it was perfect but this is.....

 

Pre-wipe the game was predictable and boring.  No risk all reward.  Sorry but that isnt fun to me.  No thrill in that.  Some of the best women I have been with I have had to work at to get.  The best fish I ever ate was the fish I spent an hour trying to real in.   I dont like easy.  If I wanted easy I would play Hello Kitty Online or WoW where I could macro my way through the game.

I dont like parts of the patch, but I have adapted.  But the game is far better now than it was with the magic 5 life boats.

[Prater]

44 minutes ago, Cimbi said:

It was not like this in Naval Action.You were able to level up with PVP and it was fun.PVP was skill based now its XP based, grind based rubbish.Combat system never ever was so arcade than now.(unlimited repair, unlimited crew, unlimited mast) They closed the door front of lot of players they can't reach end content. Meanwhile, Guys is shouting from mommy's basement.It's hardcore!It's realistic!EvE online!When it's just time wasting arcade sailing game.Peoples who're playing from the beginning leaving: PVP players like PODWs leaving.

So I'm sorry I don't think it's a good way I don't say, Kanan, what was before wipe it was perfect but this is.....

 

You've never been able to level up much by pvp, unless you are talking about Sea Trials.  It took me 8 months to level up from level 1 to max when EA came out and even then I'd have to submit to mindless grinding otherwise I'd never have made Rear Admiral.  Can only take about 1-2 missions before my mind explodes.  More xp for pvp is something we have always asked for, and recently more marks.

Edited July 11, 2017 by Prater

[Wallentinus]

I was able to reach max level with PvP... mostly. I finished with PvE when i hit the 350 crew and however occasionally run later some most of my XP came from PvP. Sailed Trinco then undercrewed Consti and right before i got 650 crew there was a XP rewamp and suddenly found myself with 800 crew. All the rest of the XP earned by PvP. So can said the before this u can did it.

[Ser_Slack]

45 minutes ago, Prater said:

You've never been able to level up much by pvp, unless you are talking about Sea Trials.  It took me 8 months to level up from level 1 to max when EA came out and even then I'd have to submit to mindless grinding otherwise I'd never have made Rear Admiral.  Can only take about 1-2 missions before my mind explodes.  More xp for pvp is something we have always asked for, and recently more marks.

Wow - on pvp2 I ranked up mostly on pvp. But I seem to remember pvp having higher rewards then pve. I maybe wrong.