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[King of Crowns]

2 minutes ago, Teutonic said:

I'd rather be ganked by 25 players everyday, then to never see players in the OW to attack.

@King of Crowns maybe my bitterness is the time sink it takes to get do that. maybe it's just me not willing to spend the time anymore. I don't know, but whatever it is there are less people playing overall again :(.

the population of the game has always been a major problem. however the devs are not worried about it. they have done no advertising for the game. 80% of the gaming world has never even heard of naval action. this game is not designed to appeal to the crowds. its not WOW with dumbed down graphics so that any crackerjack box with a processor can run it. it does punish you for death. just remember what pop was before this wipe. people will leave and come back. that is the nature of early access games. the pop doesn't measure the quality of a patch.

[RaimundoJoe]

4 hours ago, admin said:

Make all ships cost 1 peso? Then everyone will sail a santisima. Anywhere in between someone will be unhappy. 

You have to understand this about RVR.

Everything is out there to kill you. You can lose most of the land.  You will have trouble progressing sometimes
A world where sinking is a traumatizing experience, but you have to try and push through
The difficulty comes not from the difficulty for the sake of difficulty - but from the design philosophy 
Loss in video games we take for granted for many years now , but Naval Action is unique in this regard
Loss and failure are designed to give you that feeling of struggle and triumph 
Loss does not kill you - but brings you closer and closer to giving up, to purify your character
Some players would say - wow its too difficult - and they are right! It is too difficult for some people. 

One day you struggle for so long that you give up completely, but because you don't lose your player and skill, some players don't lose hope, gather players around you, you build a fleet, you practice, you learn to fight better, you overcome and start succeeding.
You triumph by destroying the enemy that was terrorizing your nation for so long and you win the game and retire. And then new leaders come and take your place.

The game does not dumb down the conquest for the sake of so called mass market (brigs with rams)
It does its own thing regardless of whether some people will be turned off and in doing so it becomes something unique and valuable and pure.

There are just some tweaks needed to reduce the time required to rebuild 

Yes. The leader has not been born yet - the leader who can gather 30-50 people around him and turn 1 region into the empire.

If this is the the vision for this game, then, you need to make this clear for everybody, that this game will not hold our hand. This game will crush your pixel ships, pixel dreams and pixel hopes. This game is a bully, it ill kick you and break you and if you are strong minded you will kick back or you will move on!

[King of Crowns]

2 minutes ago, admin said:

Same as here. I can guarantee you that if you are in a good clan your losses will be covered. And look at Sorry brag thread. I count how many oceans there? They all required real time hauling. Why no-one sank them. Why it was not a grind for them @Bountyhunter @Otto Kohl can you enlighten people here?

The only problem I see now that players treated santisimas as eve's frigates. It still takes 50-60 times faster to build a first rate compared to titan and we are going to address it.
We are going to play ironman challenge and will survive this drama about the grind. Lineships are not frigates. They will be expensive to build and expensive to lose. We want everyone to sail frigates.

btw

Eve Frigate is a pickle. Pickle is cheap and takes like 1 robbed trader to recover and fit. PVP in frigates in cheap and fun. 

yea hold your ground. they will adapt.

[JeanJacques de Montpellier]

1 minute ago, King of Crowns said:

so there is this game called world of warships...... ur guaranteed a balanced fight with no ganking no revenge no bait. and limited exploits.... you should go check it out. as long as there is open world there will be no balance. nor should there be. perhaps the arena game devs are working on over the summer is for you.

try play an air sim. with good players... ;-) maybe it ll be good for understand the difference between ganking, baits, and shits, etc and a realistic game where it counts the preparation and not the exploits.

[Hethwill, the Red Duke]

1 hour ago, AxIslander said:

 this game will not hold our hand. This game will crush your pixel ships, pixel dreams and pixel hopes. This game is a bully, it ill kick you and break you and if you are strong minded you will kick back or you will move on!

Reads exactly like the warning Exanima[link] gives the very first time it is run. 

Then there's this "Exit" and "I Understand" options.

The warning is never ever shown again.

[King of Crowns]

1 minute ago, JeanJacques de Montpellier said:

try play an air sim. with good players... ;-) maybe it ll be good for understand the difference between ganking, baits, and shits, etc and a realistic game where it counts the preparation and not the exploits.

I play a tall ship sim... I don't need air sim.

80% of the people I kill in the open world are afk sailing and don't move until after I start the tag. if they are afk sailing in my hunting ground they deserve to die and loose their ship. a lot of times if they notice me in open world they will be able to run.

[admin]

42 minutes ago, Hodo said:

I have a 10+ year old account there... I may go back LOL.  At least I know when I go PVP I am not going to be jumped by gank fleets right outside of the battle... OR be moving so slow that my ship takes 1 hour to go 30nm in OW because I am so over loaded with stuff that will most likely sell for 1 each at port because the ports stocks are overloaded and have been that way for a frakking month!

Not to mention there is INSURANCE for your ship in EVE....

 

 

You are going to get ganked in enemy territory and if you escape you might get bubbled outside the system or on the gate. The only way out will be logging off in the station and if there is no station you will die anyway. 

And please (we are all adults here) stop saying that solo pvp is consistent in eve. To be able to pvp effectively here (solo) you need maybe 60k. In eve you will need months of training to give you at least a small chance, because no noob will survive in nullsec/lowsec for long. If you fly to the goon or PL main base (kpr analogy) in any ship solo you wont even survive in a capsule. 

[Slamz]

1 minute ago, Teutonic said:

in Eve - 20 minutes of ratting (missions) gives me 30 mill isk
1. 30 mill isk buys all the guns, modules, and rigs for a Cruiser class ship.

What are you grinding in though? EVE makes it easy to make money to afford a new Cruiser when you're grinding in something like a T2 battleship with top of the end PvE gear and modules. If you're stuck grinding in a T1 Frigate you're just as boned as you are in NA. Probably moreso, really.

I'm not opposed to making things a little lighter at the low end, though. Maybe 6th and 7th rates should have 2 durability. Just enough so a noob can make a mistake or get busted in a gank but not so much that the gankers themselves are running around in essentially free ships. Maybe click costs and labor hours could be cut by 20% across the board (while perhaps adding some cost to lineships).

But I don't think 5th rates are too far off right-now.

Raw click-cost on them is actually really damn cheap. A Trinc is only about 70k - 110k to click out depending on wood.

Yeah it'll take a while to raise 110k while sailing around in a Basic Cutter but a guild grinding in 3rd rates could grind for a night and have Trincs for days.

[King of Crowns]

9 minutes ago, Fritz Hermann said:

 

Ok. I think we got it. You are good, and we suck. New players suck too. But, if we suck and it takes us many hours to even get another ship after sinking, we will never have the patience to practice our skills in battle. We'll just give up and go play another game, like EVE (even though I don't know what is that game...). We will also tell our friends not to buy that game. They might tell that to other friends, and so on...

The point is : Yeah, there's multiple ways to make money and all, we know that. But the way the game is going makes new players and casual players leave. With less people on board, PVP can only go lower...

u can sit in your capital area which is protected and wait for an ai ship to sail in that you want to kill and no one can hurt you...... or even better sail to the random port in the middle of no where and do your practice there. if you stay around the capitals you will die.

[MassimoSud]

2 minutes ago, Rickard said:

they already announced that NA will from now on be a Hard-Core game

Hard core game?

Exploited game, with broken mechanics!

3 min join (broken) conquest marks (broken) pvp marks (broken). And you still call this game a hard core game?

We are playing a different game, i m sure!

[Liq]

Just now, Rickard said:

Revenge = realistic

In the fallout universe maybe?

[Hethwill, the Red Duke]

Stop spamming that all over the place please. Everyone got the message. Some agree, some don't.

Thanks

 

[admin]

14 minutes ago, AxIslander said:

If this is the the vision for this game, then, you need to make this clear for everybody, that this game will not hold our hand. This game will crush your pixel ships, pixel dreams and pixel hopes. This game is a bully, it ill kick you and break you and if you are strong minded you will kick back or you will move on!

Wait. You forgot about relaxing times on the pve server. You can even capture Ocean first rate from an NPC.
Maybe you should stop pretending that you really want a pvp world where your actions can matter.

[Blackjack Morgan]

1 minute ago, Liquicity said:

In the fallout universe maybe?

Hey....wait a sec is that one of those new RNG only mod drops in game???

[King of Crowns]

Just now, Hodo said:

LOL that player may have been me.  Because that is how I paid for my first PLEX, salvaging what was left behind and wormhole exploration in Nullsec.    And I did it all in a PROBE.... a simple cheap Probe.

It isnt the ship balance that is the issue.  It is the game mechanics and economy that are broke as fuk.  

it is not broke. it is just hard... there is a difference. yea it sucks to sink. that should encourage people to learn to sail better. I would be willing to bet 30% of the people playing the game don't know how to manual sail..... look there are people who like a challenge they will love the new build. then there are people who don't like to be challenged that want to play casually. they will not like the new build of the game.

[King of Crowns]

4 minutes ago, MassimoSud said:

Hard core game?

Exploited game, with broken mechanics!

3 min join (broken) conquest marks (broken) pvp marks (broken). And you still call this game a hard core game?

We are playing a different game, i m sure!

whats wrong with 3 min join? you cant keep your buddies within 3 mins of open world sailing time from you? how are CQ marks broken?(devs can now have control over how many line ships can be made.  and pvp marks can be exploited but the devs will catch the people doing it. its only a matter of time.

Edited June 16, 2017 by King of Crowns

[admin]

2 minutes ago, Hodo said:

 

It isnt the ship balance that is the issue.  It is the game mechanics and economy that are broke as fuk.  

Economy requires thinking and searching for good deals and finding the demand. Its not a printing machine. You can still make a lot of money trading. But easy routes are now filled with goods. For example fully stocked repairs in free towns. Aren't they a beauty. All fully player driven. Cities where people buy them a lot will continue to buy them. Cities where is no pvp around will be fully stocked and wont buy anything. 

[ironhammer500]

2 minutes ago, admin said:

Wait. You forgot about relaxing times on the pve server. You can even capture Ocean first rate from an NPC.

Maybe you should stop pretending that you want a pvp world? 

Sorry but i need to call you out on this one, since Ocean was a special ship no NPC sails them, not as far as i have seen and i ran a lot of RA missions not once did i see an Ocean.

Santi and Vic yes you can capture those but it requires a 1st rate to do it in a solo mission.

[Liq]

1 minute ago, Blackjack Morgan said:

Hey....wait a sec is that one of those new RNG only mod drops in game???

would need re-install NA to check which are now rng

Honestly, if NA is supposed to be hardcore AND realistic, that camp on battle pos. with a revenge fleet nonsense has to stop. might change the game description to arcade instead.

[admin]

1 minute ago, King of Crowns said:

whats wrong with 3 min join? you cant keep your buddies within 3 mins of open world sailing time from you? how are CQ marks broken? and pvp marks can be exploited but the devs will catch the people doing it. its only a matter of time.

He wants insta closed battles maybe - but majority does not want them. 

[admin]

1 minute ago, ironhammer500 said:

Sorry but i need to call you out on this one, since Ocean was a special ship no NPC sails them, not as far as i have seen and i ran a lot of RA missions not once did i see an Ocean.

Santi and Vic yes you can capture those but it requires a 1st rate to do it in a solo mission.

i think they have a low chance to spawn now.. need to check that

[Blackjack Morgan]

Just now, Liquicity said:

would need re-install NA to check which are now rng

Honestly, if NA is supposed to be hardcore AND realistic, that camp on battle pos. with a revenge fleet nonsense has to stop. might change the game description to arcade instead.

Completely agree....my biggest complaints post patch are the revenge fleets and just the RNG drops which I hate. Other than that I can live with most of the changes....some I like a lot, some I don't....but those two drive me crazy.

 

[Liq]

Just now, admin said:

He wants insta closed battles maybe - but majority does not want them. 

Why not 2 min instead? So you cant hop out of a port, prepare a ship to set sail and join an ongoing battle. Seems much more arcadey than "hardcore", let alone "realistic".

[King of Crowns]

2 minutes ago, admin said:

He wants insta closed battles maybe - but majority does not want them. 

yea that's not fun. if you got 1 slow guy in your crew they miss the whole battle and now your group is out of sync for 2 hours or more.

[King of Crowns]

2 minutes ago, Liquicity said:

Why not 2 min instead? So you cant hop out of a port, prepare a ship to set sail and join an ongoing battle. Seems much more arcadey than "hardcore", let alone "realistic".

not even close to more hard core. just makes it so that gankers have the advantage....